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thoughts on Safari...
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Safari is GREAT! But...why the name "Safari"?? Its so werid...Even though iWeb or iBrowse isn't that creative..but has that Apple *SNAP* to it
That's because it's not.
It's based off of the same code as Konquerer, the default browser and file manager in Linux.
And it's still a beta, I mean look what they did with a UNIX core, sh|tty at first, but after a couple more revisions it's absoltuely wonderful.
Give it time.
There was a question above about tabs in Chimera. Command-Clicking brings up a new window because you haven't set it to open a new tab in the Preferences.
Complaints:
No Tabs
Slower than Chimera on a new dually and a new iBook
Has nobody noticed in all these posts that Safari doesn't scroll the window to keep up with text in a form? Or am I only catching this because I am trying it on my iBook? Try making your window small and see if this happens to you.
I want to be able to resize the Add Bookmark window.
Hasn't anyone else noticed that the cursor doesn't become invisible when scrolling a web page? This is standard stuff in nearly every Mac app! Come on!
Finally, when I hit the back button I should be returned to the section of the page I was viewing. I don't want to scroll through it all over again.
You know this will improve, but my browsing for now will remain with Chimera.
Dan
Complaints:
No Tabs
Slower than Chimera on a new dually and a new iBook
Has nobody noticed in all these posts that Safari doesn't scroll the window to keep up with text in a form? Or am I only catching this because I am trying it on my iBook? Try making your window small and see if this happens to you.
I want to be able to resize the Add Bookmark window.
Hasn't anyone else noticed that the cursor doesn't become invisible when scrolling a web page? This is standard stuff in nearly every Mac app! Come on!
Finally, when I hit the back button I should be returned to the section of the page I was viewing. I don't want to scroll through it all over again.
You know this will improve, but my browsing for now will remain with Chimera.
Dan
Underlined Links?
I'm surprised no one mentioned they wished that links were not underlined by default, or that there were some way underlining could be turned off. I tried turning off underlining in the preferences and I couldn't fine a way. Does anyone know of a preference file I can hack or something?
I'm surprised no one mentioned they wished that links were not underlined by default, or that there were some way underlining could be turned off. I tried turning off underlining in the preferences and I couldn't fine a way. Does anyone know of a preference file I can hack or something?
Safari -> Preferences -> General -> Default Web Browser
You can use this to make Safari the default browser or to set the default back to some other browser.
When you web surf, you are typically hunting for something or visiting sites. Hence safari, defined as an overland expedition, especially one for hunting or exploring, or, more generally, a journey or trip.
Cons...
Some of the other cons can include it mangling some of my (standard HTML 4.1) code. I'll be submitting my bug reports, as I am very hestitant this browser will be a success without web professionals input. In particular, I want to make sure plugins are handled correctly, DHTML, CSS, and HTML are rendered correctly. I also MUST HAVE tabbed browsing. Without it, I swear I can't use this daily. It's an awesome product, but needs code fixes and tabs.
Kudos on the speed, however. I am finally limited to my DSL connection's speed... as if that can really be considered a wait.
Some of the other cons can include it mangling some of my (standard HTML 4.1) code. I'll be submitting my bug reports, as I am very hestitant this browser will be a success without web professionals input. In particular, I want to make sure plugins are handled correctly, DHTML, CSS, and HTML are rendered correctly. I also MUST HAVE tabbed browsing. Without it, I swear I can't use this daily. It's an awesome product, but needs code fixes and tabs.
Kudos on the speed, however. I am finally limited to my DSL connection's speed... as if that can really be considered a wait.
You guys have made some very lucid and valid points, but before dumping it or writing it off, let's just remember 2 words: PUBLIC BETA.
Personally I am in love with it. I hope that when tabbed browsing is included it can be turned off. I am very fluent with it, but I just don't like it.
All of this being said, I can't wait until they get the AutoFill put into it. That is my complaint.
Regards,
Gus
Personally I am in love with it. I hope that when tabbed browsing is included it can be turned off. I am very fluent with it, but I just don't like it.
All of this being said, I can't wait until they get the AutoFill put into it. That is my complaint.
Regards,
Gus
Safari is the fastest browser on my Ti 550. However, I agree with the people here that Safari needs improvement. Luckily it's still in beta.
Here's what I think Safari needs:
- Tabs, of course.
- Storable passwords.
- Autofill and form complete like all the other major broswers.
- A button to see your current downloads.
- Auction Tracker (Why hasn't anyone mentioned this?)
- kb/s indicator.
I do not think safari is responsible for the slow flash speeds. Flash is terribly slow in osx compared to windows. Macromedia needs to get on that immediately.
That's all I can think of for right now. Does anyone know the e-mail to give apple feedback on beta products?
Here's what I think Safari needs:
- Tabs, of course.
- Storable passwords.
- Autofill and form complete like all the other major broswers.
- A button to see your current downloads.
- Auction Tracker (Why hasn't anyone mentioned this?)
- kb/s indicator.
I do not think safari is responsible for the slow flash speeds. Flash is terribly slow in osx compared to windows. Macromedia needs to get on that immediately.
That's all I can think of for right now. Does anyone know the e-mail to give apple feedback on beta products?
compare the quality of this public beta to Mac OS X puublic beta.
i know which product looks(ed) more promising.
i know which product looks(ed) more promising.
no, it hasn't
you can set the font bigger or smaller, but you can't set the minimum font size, on some sites the size is just too small, I want to set the minimum size to 11 or something, this can be done in the Chimera preferences, but not in Safari.
I personally am having a very good experience with Safari. Yes it has it's quirks but it is a beta. Also if you have a problem click the bug in the upper right corner of the window and let them know.
Okay here are my impressions.
Speed: Seems to be on par with Chimera. Slightly faster in some areas a lot slower in others. But overal similar enough to be my everyday browser. All in all blows everything but chimera out of the water.
Accuracy: I've been having some serious type size issues with different pages. Seems when you enlarge very small type on one page and then go to a page with normal type the normal type gets enlarged to gigantic proportions. Other then that it seems to be on par with Chimera or IE.
Ergonomics: It could definitely use some customization. I would like to see auto fill text and some sort of implementation of Apple's own keychain.
Conclussion: I suspect that this was a rush release and the basic Apple standards haven't even been met yet. If this is the case Safari shows extreme potential. Mark up a big 3 out of 5 thumbs up on my part.
Okay here are my impressions.
Speed: Seems to be on par with Chimera. Slightly faster in some areas a lot slower in others. But overal similar enough to be my everyday browser. All in all blows everything but chimera out of the water.
Accuracy: I've been having some serious type size issues with different pages. Seems when you enlarge very small type on one page and then go to a page with normal type the normal type gets enlarged to gigantic proportions. Other then that it seems to be on par with Chimera or IE.
Ergonomics: It could definitely use some customization. I would like to see auto fill text and some sort of implementation of Apple's own keychain.
Conclussion: I suspect that this was a rush release and the basic Apple standards haven't even been met yet. If this is the case Safari shows extreme potential. Mark up a big 3 out of 5 thumbs up on my part.
Come on everyone there is a work around. Now let me walk you through this.
mnkeybsness you got it half way there but didn't quiet solve the riddle. Here's what you do. Export the bookmarks from Chimera as an html file. Then open IE and open the bookmark organization window. Now drag and drop the new html file on this window. Voíla, now you have all your Chimera bookmarks in IE. The next step is to do a search for Safari and to delete the .plist preference file. Next time you open Chimera all your bookmarks that you just dropped into IE will be in Safari folders and all.
Heeheehee, I love it when I solve something that's stairing everyone right in the face.
the apple dev team for safari has posted to the khtml mailing list.
apparently the infamous DAVE HYATT is a major member of the team. that makes me smile and expect a hell of a lot.
apparently the infamous DAVE HYATT is a major member of the team.
that makes me smile and expect a hell of a lot.Has anybody worked out a way to check security certificates? On Netscape and IE it's relatively easy but the traditional methods (clicking the lock) don't seem to work on Safari.
Safari renders pages very quickly. From my tests I found it to roughly be the claimed 2x faster than Netscape on HTML content. In fact in virtually all my tests I found the ratios were pretty close to what Apple suggested.
Make sure you have the lastest version of OS X installed. They do note that will make a difference. Some people have also noticed download speed problems, although I'm yet to see it.
It does seem to have a serious problem with logging into some sites though and saving some of my more trivial passwords would be nice. I like Netscape's setup in that respect.
I find them no worse than IE's or Netscape's.
I don't mind the window interface but that's really a matter of preference. I would suspect in a later version it will be further refined and customizeable.
Either you haven't used that many browsers or there is something to do with the computer you're using or your connection causing the problem.
Safari renders pages very quickly. From my tests I found it to roughly be the claimed 2x faster than Netscape on HTML content. In fact in virtually all my tests I found the ratios were pretty close to what Apple suggested.
Make sure you have the lastest version of OS X installed. They do note that will make a difference. Some people have also noticed download speed problems, although I'm yet to see it.
I've had less problems with Safari than I ever did with Chimera. Perhaps a few examples though?
It does seem to have a serious problem with logging into some sites though and saving some of my more trivial passwords would be nice. I like Netscape's setup in that respect.
Safari
Today was the day when I finally trashed the "e" icon from cxplorer out of my dock. Poof!!!
What a great feeling!
It made just enough room in the dock for Safari. It is a treat on the dual gig, running faster that anything I have used yet for surfing.
It did unexpectedly quit twice so far, though. And where is the "stop" button?
Back button is too plain as well. Too bare bones.
No more explorer. Hip, hip Hooray!
Today was the day when I finally trashed the "e" icon from cxplorer out of my dock. Poof!!!
What a great feeling!
It made just enough room in the dock for Safari. It is a treat on the dual gig, running faster that anything I have used yet for surfing.
It did unexpectedly quit twice so far, though. And where is the "stop" button?
Back button is too plain as well. Too bare bones.
No more explorer. Hip, hip Hooray!
Disk space disappearing...
It seems to be linked to me using Safari - my disk space is disappearing. Last night I had the 'Application memory' message and had to quit all my open apps. I restarted, claimed back all the disk space and am currently only runing Safari and Mail. My disk space has halfed in the past hour.
this happens with Limewire, but that ain't running.
Anyone else getting this?
It seems to be linked to me using Safari - my disk space is disappearing. Last night I had the 'Application memory' message and had to quit all my open apps. I restarted, claimed back all the disk space and am currently only runing Safari and Mail. My disk space has halfed in the past hour.
this happens with Limewire, but that ain't running.
Anyone else getting this?
Danger! Danger! Danger!
Had some major file corruption on Safari's downloads.
I'm not alone!!!
check this link at Apple's Discussion Site:
http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?50@103.p2VUaXzZfJZ.565249@.3bbdb9d6
Please be careful, the problem caused some big pains!!!!
Had some major file corruption on Safari's downloads.
I'm not alone!!!
check this link at Apple's Discussion Site:
http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?50@103.p2VUaXzZfJZ.565249@.3bbdb9d6
Please be careful, the problem caused some big pains!!!!
Explorer gets blown away
OK - I haven't had much time to really test and play with Safari yet, but so far, all is well on my G4.
I like the faster speed, but ironically, it loads Apple's site SLOWER than IE! What's up with THAT?!?
I've never really used tabbed browsing, so I don't miss it much - but I can see how a lot of people want it. And I bet Apple will add that feature, so don't worry too much about it.
For a public beta, this thing is SWEET. It's just gonna keep on getting better, people! Whee!
As soon as I get "Keynote," my G4 will be cleansed of all MSucks products!
Excellent!
OK - I haven't had much time to really test and play with Safari yet, but so far, all is well on my G4.
I like the faster speed, but ironically, it loads Apple's site SLOWER than IE! What's up with THAT?!?
I've never really used tabbed browsing, so I don't miss it much - but I can see how a lot of people want it. And I bet Apple will add that feature, so don't worry too much about it.
For a public beta, this thing is SWEET. It's just gonna keep on getting better, people! Whee!
As soon as I get "Keynote," my G4 will be cleansed of all MSucks products!
Excellent!
