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Re: Safari without the brushed metal look

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
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THANK YOU for that link. Now Safari looks VERY nice and blends in well.

For those who don't know, the link above gets rid of the brushed metal look in Safari and replaces it with the tradtional Aqua look.

Looks a lot better in my opinion.:p :D
 
Originally posted by alex_ant
Safari is definitely promising, but I won't use it until it gets tabs and stops looking so damned ugly.


When Apple changes our default browser without warning, we say, "Cool!" When Microsoft does it, we say "DAMN YOU SONS OF BITCHES!!!"
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There must be some mistake because when I installed Safari it didn't remove Chimera from the default browser position. However, maybe it replaces IE because pretty much ANYTHING is better than IE.

By the way, I love Safari! It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside to be on an Apple branded browser. I'm not totally sold on it being faster than Chimera, but it's darn close enough for me.

I'm sure tabs will be ours soon, but when they're added it'll be a little feature that won't be enabled by default. Joe consumer doesn't know anything about tabbed browsing. In fact, Joe consumer usually doesn't browse 2 sites at the same time.
 
Originally posted by Juventuz
Well i just read the help for Safari and it specifically states that it will not import bookmarks from any other browser but IE.
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Bookmarks have always been just a HTML file with links in it. Shown in a menu. It's like this in IE, Netscape, Opera (i think).

So I don't see why it won't be able to import those.

Someone correct me if i'm missing something.
 
Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon
it doesnt seem to do anything right. i can not think of a single redeaming feature.

?the menus are cluttered and disorganized.
?the window interface seems very unpolished.
?it is the slowest browser i have used in years
?it has major rendering problems with most of the sites i have visited.
?no tabs

i find it hard to beleive a browser based on the mozilla code base could be this bad. this browser is terrible, i hope it dies quietly.
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... wtf are you running?
The menus aren't bad, unpolished check (very)beta.
Slowest browser in *years* well that means even before Chim ?? No major rendering problems expect Flash. Tabs will be here.
Safari is the fastest browser on my Ti 550. However, I agree with the people here that Safari needs improvement. Luckily it's still in beta.

Here's what I think Safari needs:

- Tabs, of course.
- Storable passwords.
- Autofill and form complete like all the other major broswers.
- A button to see your current downloads.
- Auction Tracker (Why hasn't anyone mentioned this?)
- kb/s indicator.

I do not think safari is responsible for the slow flash speeds. Flash is terribly slow in osx compared to windows. Macromedia needs to get on that immediately.
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I agree with you but you can learn the Command for downloads. Everything else is just a bonus to have
Safari is definitely promising, but I won't use it until it gets tabs and stops looking so damned ugly.
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Originally posted by ChicagoMac
Cool! Safari sets itself up as the default browser automatically. Checking my mail from MSN messenger now opens up Safari instead if IE!

When Apple changes our default browser without warning, we say, "Cool!" When Microsoft does it, we say "DAMN YOU SONS OF BITCHES!!!"
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Acually it asked you if you wanted to make it your default... when installing, not automatically

Anyway it is not really bad at all, the brushed metal doesn't look perfect but I think that download helped the look out.

Speed is nice faster than all other on my computer by atleast .1 seconds. (I ran a test)
It is a nice start for a browser.
 
I want zoom. Not Safari's version of zoom - which I think should be handled by the maximize button anyway - but the ability to easily zoom in on both text and graphics. Sure the graphics will look pixelated, but sometimes even +10% can make the difference between having to squint and viewing comfortably for pages designed for low-res displays.

I forget what browser had it, but I once used one where you could store a page, for example a search results page, on the left-hand side of the window. Clicking on the links on that page would load the respective page in the main area of the window. Thus, a user doing research wouldn't have to bother with "open link in new window" in order to preserve the search results page, saving a lot of time and keeping things organized.

Otherwise, Safari is the most responsive app of any kind that I've used in OS X and I think it's a great start!
 
Safari breaks single day download record for Apple

According to this Macentral Article , Safari breaks single day download record.
"Safari has been downloaded 300,000 times in the last 24 hours -- the previous download record for Apple was for iTunes, which had two days of 100,000 downloads. "

Apple should have released the browser a long time ago, along with Jaguar. Most of the sluggishness of Mac OS X is perceived by slow browser(ie) performance . Now with Safari browsing seems to be "InstantOn". Good Job apple.
 
Safari

Safari is great, but when u save a file, it doesnt ask u where to save it- it only automatically saves it to the desktop or somewhere else that is set in preferences......
 
Originally posted by jkojima
I want zoom. Not Safari's version of zoom - which I think should be handled by the maximize button anyway - but the ability to easily zoom in on both text and graphics. Sure the graphics will look pixelated, but sometimes even +10% can make the difference between having to squint and viewing comfortably for pages designed for low-res displays.

I forget what browser had it, but I once used one where you could store a page, for example a search results page, on the left-hand side of the window. Clicking on the links on that page would load the respective page in the main area of the window. Thus, a user doing research wouldn't have to bother with "open link in new window" in order to preserve the search results page, saving a lot of time and keeping things organized.

Otherwise, Safari is the most responsive app of any kind that I've used in OS X and I think it's a great start!
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Your page saving thing is called the, "page holder," in IE.
 
The main thing I'd like to see is an autofill/form feature. I use it like crazy. Auction Tracker would be nice and maybe a Composer feature like Navigator. Everything else is gravy!

Very pleased with Safari so far and looking forward to the release of Safari Gold.:D :cool:
 
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Default browser can be changed in Safari's prefs [n/t]

Originally posted by tfaz1


There must be some mistake because when I installed Safari it didn't remove Chimera from the default browser position. However, maybe it replaces IE because pretty much ANYTHING is better than IE.

By the way, I love Safari! It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside to be on an Apple branded browser. I'm not totally sold on it being faster than Chimera, but it's darn close enough for me.

I'm sure tabs will be ours soon, but when they're added it'll be a little feature that won't be enabled by default. Joe consumer doesn't know anything about tabbed browsing. In fact, Joe consumer usually doesn't browse 2 sites at the same time.
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Importing

Originally posted by JupiterZen


Bookmarks have always been just a HTML file with links in it. Shown in a menu. It's like this in IE, Netscape, Opera (i think).

So I don't see why it won't be able to import those.

Someone correct me if i'm missing something.
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AFAIK Safari Bookmarks is a plist, in XML format. It has already been repeated several times, here and otherwise, how to import (or re-import) bookmarks from Chimera and IE into Safari:

- Export the bookmarks from Chimera as an html file.

- Then open IE and open the bookmark organization window.

- Now drag and drop the new html file on this window. Voíla, now you have all your Chimera bookmarks in IE.

- The next step is to do a search for Safari and to delete the .plist preference file. See below

- Next time you open Chimera, it will think that it is the first time, and it will import all your bookmarks, both the original IE ones and the ones that you just dropped into IE, and put them in Safari folders and all. This includes subfolders.

Safari hides its .plist Bookmark file in ~/Library/Safari/ which is actually breaking the rules; it should be in ~/Library/Bookmarks/ and should be HTML so other browsers can share them. But of course that would make it too easy to use other browsers! Also, the use of the XML standard to save user preferences and personal information/data seems to be an underlying strategy of Apple's - and the unifying, flexible standard makes it much easier to not only exchange information between iApps but also via iSync and RendezVous (of which we have heard only the beginning..)

engpjp

PS - the method sketched above was developed and described by someone else than me; unfortunately I forgot who...
 
Originally posted by jkojima
I want zoom. Not Safari's version of zoom - which I think should be handled by the maximize button anyway - but the ability to easily zoom in on both text and graphics.
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Try Universal Access in your system control panels. There are some hints on using the zoom feature at macosXhints.com if you do a search.
 
Tabs : Drawer Instead

I really like tabbed browsing, specifically for being able to load multiple ites at once from the same bookmark. However for Safari I think it would be better to use the drawer UI convention. Look at the Preview app : opening multiple images does not open multiple windows in Preview but a single one, with the thumbnails for the images available in a drawer. Safari should do the same with "tabs" : place them in a drawer. Functionally equivalent to tabbed browsing but we also get thumbnails for the tabbed pages and a scrollable drawer for many "tabs" at once
 

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Re: Tabs : Drawer Instead

Originally posted by aijcb
I really like tabbed browsing, specifically for being able to load multiple ites at once from the same bookmark. However for Safari I think it would be better to use the drawer UI convention. Look at the Preview app : opening multiple images does not open multiple windows in Preview but a single one, with the thumbnails for the images available in a drawer. Safari should do the same with "tabs" : place them in a drawer. Functionally equivalent to tabbed browsing but we also get thumbnails for the tabbed pages and a scrollable drawer for many "tabs" at once
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Do any of the brushed-metal iApps use drawers?
 
Re: Importing

Thnx for the info ;)

Originally posted by engpjp


AFAIK Safari Bookmarks is a plist, in XML format. It has already been repeated several times, here and otherwise, how to import (or re-import) bookmarks from Chimera and IE into Safari:

- Export the bookmarks from Chimera as an html file.

- Then open IE and open the bookmark organization window.

- Now drag and drop the new html file on this window. Voíla, now you have all your Chimera bookmarks in IE.

- The next step is to do a search for Safari and to delete the .plist preference file. See below

- Next time you open Chimera, it will think that it is the first time, and it will import all your bookmarks, both the original IE ones and the ones that you just dropped into IE, and put them in Safari folders and all. This includes subfolders.

Safari hides its .plist Bookmark file in ~/Library/Safari/ which is actually breaking the rules; it should be in ~/Library/Bookmarks/ and should be HTML so other browsers can share them. But of course that would make it too easy to use other browsers! Also, the use of the XML standard to save user preferences and personal information/data seems to be an underlying strategy of Apple's - and the unifying, flexible standard makes it much easier to not only exchange information between iApps but also via iSync and RendezVous (of which we have heard only the beginning..)

engpjp

PS - the method sketched above was developed and described by someone else than me; unfortunately I forgot who...
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Re: Importing

Originally posted by engpjp


AFAIK Safari Bookmarks is a plist, in XML format. It has already been repeated several times, here and otherwise, how to import (or re-import) bookmarks from Chimera and IE into Safari:

- Export the bookmarks from Chimera as an html file.

- Then open IE and open the bookmark organization window.

- Now drag and drop the new html file on this window. Voíla, now you have all your Chimera bookmarks in IE.

- The next step is to do a search for Safari and to delete the .plist preference file. See below

- Next time you open Chimera, it will think that it is the first time, and it will import all your bookmarks, both the original IE ones and the ones that you just dropped into IE, and put them in Safari folders and all. This includes subfolders.

Safari hides its .plist Bookmark file in ~/Library/Safari/ which is actually breaking the rules; it should be in ~/Library/Bookmarks/ and should be HTML so other browsers can share them. But of course that would make it too easy to use other browsers! Also, the use of the XML standard to save user preferences and personal information/data seems to be an underlying strategy of Apple's - and the unifying, flexible standard makes it much easier to not only exchange information between iApps but also via iSync and RendezVous (of which we have heard only the beginning..)

engpjp

PS - the method sketched above was developed and described by someone else than me; unfortunately I forgot who...
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I figured that one out. Glad I could help everyone. Looks like you copied what I wrote directly word for word and reoganized a little. Thanks for helping people get the word on this. That's what makes the Mac community great.:)
 
Zoom Button

I don't know if this has been said before but placing the fact the the zoom button does not full screen safari as a bad point is wrong!

We finally have a browser with the function I loved in OmniWeb....when you zoom safari it tggles between the actual size of the webpage and the previous size you set it to....therefore you can set it to the correct size to view as much as possible on screen without wasting sceen area.

That is exactly what OmniWeb did and how a mac should be used!

In windows most apps fill the entire screen with a window and then you have internal document windows...on a mac you don't have the surrounding app window so you can easily click on a window in the background...why would you ever want to full-screen an app unless you can see more content (not more whitespace!)?
 
OK, it took me 30 minutes to read everyone's comments. I hate to admit this, but I went to the premier.dell.com sight (for WORK reasons people) and found that .asp pages don't work. I know Safari is based on open source code and that Microsoft's .asp is, of course closed. But does that mean that Safari will never be able to read these files?

I chunked Internet Exploder before Safari was even installed, but had to go find it again just to compare a Dell server to an Apple server.

Oh, and another thing. I like all the extra space safari gives. No bottom or right side scroll area when its not needed. It allows a well done web page to look more like a work of art. The day web sites no longer use frames will be a great day IMHO.

cheers!

John
 
Originally posted by Chisholm
OK, it took me 30 minutes to read everyone's comments. I hate to admit this, but I went to the premier.dell.com sight (for WORK reasons people) and found that .asp pages don't work. I know Safari is based on open source code and that Microsoft's .asp is, of course closed. But does that mean that Safari will never be able to read these files?

I chunked Internet Exploder before Safari was even installed, but had to go find it again just to compare a Dell server to an Apple server.

Oh, and another thing. I like all the extra space safari gives. No bottom or right side scroll area when its not needed. It allows a well done web page to look more like a work of art. The day web sites no longer use frames will be a great day IMHO.

cheers!

John
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First let me say that I agree on the scroll bars and I also agree on the previously stated full screen issue.

Have you tried Chimera? Does it work with .asp pages? At the moment it is still the best browser on the mac IMHO, though Safari is really close even in beta form.
 
Re: Tabs : Drawer Instead

Originally posted by aijcb
...Safari should do the same with "tabs" : place them in a drawer. Functionally equivalent to tabbed browsing but we also get thumbnails for the tabbed pages and a scrollable drawer for many "tabs" at once
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Now THAT is one hell of an idea, and something where Apple could be seen to be breaking new ground. Get it to Hyatt!
 
Originally posted by Chisholm
OK, it took me 30 minutes to read everyone's comments. I hate to admit this, but I went to the premier.dell.com sight (for WORK reasons people) and found that .asp pages don't work. I know Safari is based on open source code and that Microsoft's .asp is, of course closed. But does that mean that Safari will never be able to read these files?
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I thought ASP (Active Server Pages) was a server-side technology, almost always used with Microsoft's IIS web server. Therefore, a web browser doesn't "work with ASP" or "not work with ASP", i.e., it's the web server that does or doesn't. The web browser merely has to work with the HTML and other coding that result from the processing of a ASP page. Maybe, in the case you found, the page contains scripting that is not handled correctly or uses some feature specific to Internet Explorer. But I don't think the use of ASP is to blame.

Those in the know please correct me if I am misstating the facts.
 
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