Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Thread dedicated to whining about MWNY

pc games so what...

I Was just reading this thread and just what to add my comment,

-about gaming, i have a 3 years old pc pentium 3 500 Mhz, a geforce 2 card and i am still playing every game that comes out (maybe not at 1600*1200 but nearly all graphical option maxed out, it is still playable currently playing warcraft 3) so i don't see what need i have for a 2 gig system, switched last year to playstation 2, cost less than a new pc graphic card (geforce 4 ti) that should goes along with an high end pc, and looks better most of the time on my big screen tv.


- I am going to buy an apple computer in september (birthday present to my wife and me) because i will need a solution to make some video editing. I looked at the pc side and it cost about the same for what i need to do (basic stufff with a mini dv camera i just bought (we are having a child early 2003) and i need to burn it on dvd so i can send it to my parents (i live in canada, they live in belgium) that the easiest solution to give them news of their soon to be grandchild. My stepfather is a mac afficcionado and he convinced me to buy a mac (steve jobs did it also last macworld in SF january 2002) . I wanted to have a simple solution for my basic video editing needs I will not have a pc coz (bugging too often when doing video work or anything else on it, don't want to miss too many dvd or be lost in a program, idvd is just what i need) just also bought an epson perfection 1650 photo scanner and the pc won't even start if i let it plugged when starting the pc+bugging after some video editing with photoshop elements.
So even if the mac doesn't render as fast as a pc my video effects, i am pretty confident it will be less troublesome than a pc based solution
It will mainly be my wifes computer and she doesn't want me to put games on it, so what except games and professional rendering is good to have a 2.5 Ghz PC. Office works flawlessly on my 500 Mhz PC i suppose it will be the same on a 800 or more Mhz machine


So the point is I am switching side, SJ got me and my money i just have to decide what to buy. I'am hesitating between the new 17inch imac or a powermac (smallest currently 800 Mhz hoping some change before the end of september). I already have a 20 inch trinitron screen. So what do you reccomend me, the imac or a base powermac if a new model comes out before my buying.


Thanks for your opinions
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: I have a real question

Originally posted by tjwett


as i said earlier, i run network renders in all software that allows.
Click to expand...

The problem there is that an application has to be written with network rendering functionality and GUI ect. There is more chance, depending on the programs you use, that you can render on a render farm (cluster).

Unless you are rendering in something like Bryce, you should have a ****load of power in front of you.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I have a real question

Originally posted by madamimadamtimallen


The problem there is that an application has to be written with network rendering functionality and GUI ect. There is more chance, depending on the programs you use, that you can render on a render farm (cluster).

Unless you are rendering in something like Bryce, you should have a ****load of power in front of you.
Click to expand...

i have one machine designated to just audio running OS9 mainly. the single 800. it does good with the TCPowerCore(uses Moto PPCs too) running the DSP for those plugins but it doesn't help with Logic's effects which are pretty hungry. i'm still very limited for stereo tracks, effects, and VStis. some projects could need over 20 stereo tracks at any given time and the machine really does struggle. plus the FireWire interface seems to be pretty CPU taxing. the dual 533 actually does better with the audio but i thought it would be better to get the dual rendering AE in OSX with 5.5. AE needs a network render or i'm taking 20 minute breaks every half hour ; ) Lightwave too but this is used rarely since i pretty much suck at 3D and avoid it at all costs. i pretty much work off the 933 and the 533 helps out with renders. i tried a few different setups and this seemed to be the most productive. unfortunately for me, ICE is out of the question. the best i could do so far is the fast HDs. like i said, this is a small shop and fairly new, but we're getting some pretty demanding work. i made good contacts at my day job and they are rolling in and we are getting tied up. some serious speed would do wonders. if you have any suggestions i'd love to hear them. if it makes any difference, we have to do a good amount of stuff in PAL format. people keep telling me to just stay in OS9 all the time but I don't know. the working environment is nicer in X but the performance is slow. what's the trade off?
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I have a real question

Originally posted by tjwett


i have one machine designated to just audio running OS9 mainly. the single 800. it does good with the TCPowerCore(uses Moto PPCs too) running the DSP for those plugins but it doesn't help with Logic's effects which are pretty hungry. i'm still very limited for stereo tracks, effects, and VStis. some projects could need over 20 stereo tracks at any given time and the machine really does struggle. plus the FireWire interface seems to be pretty CPU taxing. the dual 533 actually does better with the audio but i thought it would be better to get the dual rendering AE in OSX with 5.5. AE needs a network render or i'm taking 20 minute breaks every half hour ; ) Lightwave too but this is used rarely since i pretty much suck at 3D and avoid it at all costs. i pretty much work off the 933 and the 533 helps out with renders. i tried a few different setups and this seemed to be the most productive. unfortunately for me, ICE is out of the question. the best i could do so far is the fast HDs. like i said, this is a small shop and fairly new, but we're getting some pretty demanding work. i made good contacts at my day job and they are rolling in and we are getting tied up. some serious speed would do wonders. if you have any suggestions i'd love to hear them. if it makes any difference, we have to do a good amount of stuff in PAL format. people keep telling me to just stay in OS9 all the time but I don't know. the working environment is nicer in X but the performance is slow. what's the trade off?
Click to expand...

If this is the case, what you need is not to SWITCH from Mac to PC but to buy some cheap PC workhorses. Maybe a DP PIII set up or 2.... they come dirt cheap and all you would have them to is net render.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I have a real question

Originally posted by madamimadamtimallen


If this is the case, what you need is not to SWITCH from Mac to PC but to buy some cheap PC workhorses. Maybe a DP PIII set up or 2.... they come dirt cheap and all you would have them to is net render.
Click to expand...

if i could make this happen smoothly i'd be into it. what are the implications of a cross-platform render? or should i just let the PCs do ALL the rendering? would the storage need to be distributed across all 2(or4) machines?
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I have a real question

Originally posted by tjwett


if i could make this happen smoothly i'd be into it. what are the implications of a cross-platform render? or should i just let the PCs do ALL the rendering? would the storage need to be distributed across all 2(or4) machines?
Click to expand...

Well, you are gonna need a copy of the software for PC. Then you can render on all the machines at the same time and the render machines (inc. PCs) will just need a HDD big enough to support the OS and the temp render files plus how ever much RAM you think it needs for rendering.
 
No offence taken :D

I haven't got proof here, but I'm fairly sure about the first 3 statements I made. I will check them later - I think I've got all the original boxes and leaflets etc in my garage. It may be of course that I'm remembering things I read here that didn't come from Apple.

Its the logical implications of the three statements that is the key. Can we deduce 'free email for life' from those three statements if I can prove that Apple said them.

I fact I don't think we can deduce that after all - but it's been a while since I learnt logic :D

I'll come back later and tell you what APPLE actually said, rather than what I think they said.

Cheers,

Dobbin
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Free email for life?? False advertising!

Originally posted by Moxiemike


I guess i have to spell it out moron:
Click to expand...


That help page has now changed. It now says the following:



Converting your .Mac trial account to an email-only account
IMPORTANT: If you want to convert your .Mac trial account to an email-only account, you cannot do this directly. You must have a full .Mac member, who has purchased an additional email-only account, include your converted account as part of their membership. Once your trial account has been converted, all your data files (except for your email messages) will be removed from Apple's servers. Other .Mac services, such as iDisk, HomePage, Backup, and Virex, are not accessible to email-only accounts.

To convert someone else's trial account to email-only, you must be a full .Mac member who has purchased an additional email-only account. Go to www.mac.com, click Account in the .Mac menu bar, then click the Email Account Management button. Enter the member name and password of the trial account you want to convert, then click Convert.

Print the email-only account information for future reference, then click Continue.
 
You can get email for free if you've got a friend who has signed up for .mac

This is from the help section on www.mac.com



Converting your .Mac trial account to an email-only account

IMPORTANT: If you want to convert your .Mac trial account to an email-only account, you cannot do this directly. You must have a full .Mac member, who has purchased an additional email-only account, include your converted account as part of their membership. Once your trial account has been converted, all your data files (except for your email messages) will be removed from Apple's servers. Other .Mac services, such as iDisk, HomePage, Backup, and Virex, are not accessible to email-only accounts.

To convert someone else's trial account to email-only, you must be a full .Mac member who has purchased an additional email-only account. Go to www.mac.com, click Account in the .Mac menu bar, then click the Email Account Management button. Enter the member name and password of the trial account you want to convert, then click Convert.

Print the email-only account information for future reference, then click Continue.
 
Re: .Mac

Originally posted by nemes1ss
How do they expect for us to pay $100 for .Mac every year?
Click to expand...

With a credit card...

As for it being a yearly payment, well, get a piggy bank, and every week put 2 freakin dollars in it. Then When your payment is due, charge in your credit card, or whatever, then take the money from your piggy bank and use it to pay off the card. Then take the extra 4 dollars and buy a pint of Ben and Jerry's.

Now, I don't love the idea that I have to pay for this. I do think that they should allow you to have multiple email accounts that share the same .mac account. I did notice when I used the backup program, that it put files in a backup folder, and in that was a user folder, and in that was a folder for my account on my powerbook. It would be nice if my wife could have her own email address and share my quota. I don't need 15 MB, I keep all my mail in an imap folder that is part of my work email account, where I have a 200 MB quota. Also if she wants to make iPhoto web pages, it would be nice if she could use my account for that also, but with her own user name and password.

$100 is not bad, but it is not worth it to get an account for everyone in a family at all.
 
Send a message.

I'm sure I'll end up paying, but I think I'll wait until the last minute. I hope others do the same - let Apple sweat for a little bit.
 
Re: Nope

Originally posted by sneed
I have never heard or scene any reference that said those emails were free for life except in these forums. In fact, the only thing I have heard is that it would be free for OS9 users only.

Perhaps, someone here should start a new company that only provides free web services to replace .mac. They could call it ".lunch".
Click to expand...

...or just call it iTools...
 
I like how some of you are saying "...it's only $100 per year..."

OK - fine. You split it up, it's not a lot. But if I intend to pay £30 per month for an ADSL account, a further £300 for an Airport system, and a few extra add-ons for the Cube, like a Bluetooth adaptor (no price yet...), a 4-port USB (£35), a Griffin iMic (£42), a PowerMate (£45), a 120Gb internal hard drive (£220), a DVD writer (£450), and a 1Ghz processor upgrade card (£450), then it's just an unnecessary expense...

...it's also more ammunition for my wife to use when she complains about how my computer has turned into a money pit - and that there's no reason why I should spend so much on that damned thing when "...the kitchen needs to be renovated instead..."




:rolleyes:
 
I think you guys are all overreacting. Apple is charging is loyal fanbase more because it is preparing for something big... The new switch ads are a pretty good indication of where Apple's going. I think sooner or later, it's gonna end up being a massive assault on the wintel fortress, and Apple needs to stock its war coffers.
 
from the link above:

...

iTools is free to Macintosh® users running the Mac OS 9 operating system, and can be accessed at Apple.com using any Internet connection. Apple’s first four iTools premiere today:

* KidSafe...

* Mac.com, an email service run by Apple. Mac.com gives users an exclusive address on the Internet and works with standard POP email clients, such as Outlook Express, Eudora and Netscape Communicator. Mac.com users can easily set up automatic replies and forwarding of their email to other email addresses, and configure Outlook Express for their Mac.com mailbox from a simple web page;

* iDisk, 20 megabytes of personal Internet-based storage on Apple’s Internet Servers. iDisk is an entirely new way to store, transfer and share files over the Internet, and it’s as easy as using a folder on your Mac® desktop; and

* HomePage...

...
 
Originally posted by 8thDegreeSavage
I have decided to borrow a copy of 10.2....thats how im going to show Jobs how impressed i am.
Click to expand...

[rant]
Oh, boy, I am so impressed with you, that you are going to STEAL software. wow, cool. It isn't like the developers that wrote all that software are working for money or anything. No, they are donating their time and knowledge. They have all decided to default on their student loans, because they don't want to get distracted from their job of making software so that you can use it for free.
[/rant]
 
Originally posted by dobbin
You can get email for free if you've got a friend who has signed up for .mac

This is from the help section on www.mac.com



Converting your .Mac trial account to an email-only account

IMPORTANT: If you want to convert your .Mac trial account to an email-only account, you cannot do this directly. You must have a full .Mac member, who has purchased an additional email-only account, include your converted account as part of their membership. Once your trial account has been converted, all your data files (except for your email messages) will be removed from Apple's servers. Other .Mac services, such as iDisk, HomePage, Backup, and Virex, are not accessible to email-only accounts.

To convert someone else's trial account to email-only, you must be a full .Mac member who has purchased an additional email-only account. Go to www.mac.com, click Account in the .Mac menu bar, then click the Email Account Management button. Enter the member name and password of the trial account you want to convert, then click Convert.

Print the email-only account information for future reference, then click Continue.
Click to expand...

ahh, but if you do this, your email account is an add on to your friends account. If they stop subscribing to the .mac service, what happens to your account.

Also, I believe its a 10 dollar charge for additional email addresses on an account.
 
Thread dedicated to whining about MWNY

ok...there are simply too many new threads being created about your disappointments...so I've condensed them all into one since they all revolve around bitching & whining...

please do not start anymore new threads simply to whine about it... :rolleyes:
 
I've noticed a strong corrolation....

between Whine and Jeez on this site....

I've also noticed that, for the most part it's Newbie/Zealots who are whining.

Be on the lookout for whiney Zealots!!

They are lame and extremely inneffectual!

Distinguishing characteristics include a lack of motivation to actually FIX whatever their gripe is, a strong need to be a victim, no desire to research beyond the next barstool, an affinity for conspiracy theorties and an irrational desire to get everything handed to them because their parents were mean to them once when they were twelve.

Any individual displaying these characteristics should be teased mercilessly until they have a Cathartic breakthrough or run away bawling.:D
 
Originally posted by dukestreet
aahhwww, come on! I want to wine some more - or actually, I want some more wine.....

sorry, had to :D
Click to expand...

he he he....don't worry....I have plenty of bottles on reserve...just waiting for a special occasion... ;)
 
Originally posted by eyelikeart


he he he....don't worry....I have plenty of bottles on reserve...just waiting for a special occasion... ;)
Click to expand...

Would the intro of the G5 be special enough ;)

You know, if everybody stopped whining and calmly wrote Apple a letter concerning their displeasure (without biting their heads off) Apple may be more considerate in any decision about dropping the price... Whining gets you nowhere...

"I WANT an iPod!!!!!"
 
to harthansen and tjwett specifically....

i can see both of your reasons. however, i really do think that the pros outweigh the current speed problems.

i work on a dual 400 or so with windows nt 4.0 at work. using premiere and after effects. now, don't get me wrong, that's not the most recent set up or anything, but as for the platform.... it's terrible. and considering nt is generally far more stable than the other windows platforms, that's saying something. at least half the days i've worked there has been an hour plus of problems to work out with the video card and with premiere and with .dll files and all that... there's always something.

as for x.2... if you don't see it as a good, professional updgrade for os x, then there's no need to get it... though i would disagree..

as for buying all new software for os x... yeah, that's generally true. but most companies have also upgraded the software in general, not just porting it to x. not all, but most. and with that, you get the upgrade price.... i've never bought pc software, but i'm sure you'll have to get AT LEAST the upgrade price if not a whole new set up for your pc software.... what i mean (i'm not being clear i know) is that even if you have after effects for os 9.... upgrading to os x (besides being better/more stable) will be the same or less as buying the pc version....


anyhoo, i do video and graphics stuff (i'm a student, but i have worked at a few places, some pc some mac) and while i don't do smoke, flame, etc, i tend to think that apple's new powermac will be good. with all their high end software company purchases, they must have something planned for hardware too. sure, it's not here right now... which sucks. but i do think it's coming...

as for x.2 myself, i think there should be an upgrade price. and i certainly think there should be a free email only service.. or at least a cheaper email only service... but those things alone will not force me to switch... because my pc experiences are horrible. and i'm sure i'm not the only one

to no one specifically:

the imacs and current power macs are not jokes. you're kidding yourself if you think so
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back