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The AZ vaccine was not developed by the UK government, and AZ received EU funding for that as well. And if we really want to go that route, both Pfizer (BioNTech) and J&J (Janssen in Leiden, NL) were developed in the EU (Germany and The Netherlands respectively).
More like US-EU co-productions really. The Oxford-AZ vaccine is much more specifically British in conception, development and funding. The vast, vast bulk of funding came from the UK government, not to mention that Oxford University is largely funded by the UK and AZ is a Anglo-Swedish company. In addition, the UK was almost uniquely quick at procuring not just AZ, but Moderna and Pfizer too, among others. It was undoubtedly super-smart about that. Then look at the EU panic and bad-mouthing of AZ when it realised it had absolutely no procurement plan!
 
This will further discourage UK citizens and their money from traveling to the EU and vice-versa. This was a major goal of brexit all along.
It only makes it harder for workers, not tourists. The folk that come over to pick the potatoes suffer the most from roaming charges or those that go over to the EU or conduct business from the EU. Your average tourist just doesn't turn on their phone when sitting on the beach or wandering about a museum.
 
More like US-EU co-productions really. The Oxford-AZ vaccine is much more specifically British in conception, development and funding. The vast, vast bulk of funding came from the UK government, not to mention that Oxford University is largely funded by the UK and AZ is a Anglo-Swedish company. In addition, the UK was almost uniquely quick at procuring not just AZ, but Moderna and Pfizer too, among others. It was undoubtedly super-smart about that. Then look at the EU panic and bad-mouthing of AZ when it realised it had absolutely no procurement plan!

Gotta stop changing facts. The Pfizer vaccin was developed solely by BioNTech in Germany, Pfizer took control of the production like AZ did for the Oxford vaccin.

And regarding that vast, vast bulk from the UK government, that's not really the truth:

"In most cases, they were unable to determine how much funding a particular source gave, but were able to identify more than £228m worth of grants – the largest chunk from overseas governments including the EU, followed by the UK and then charitable foundations."

https://www.theguardian.com/science...covid-vaccine-research-was-97-publicly-funded

The thing the UK did wrong was granting the Oxford vaccine to AZ, as they truly and royally f*cked it up. Either way, the EU caught up with the UK in vaccine rollout anyway, and infection and hospitalization figures in the EU are considerably lower right now.
 
It only makes it harder for workers, not tourists. The folk that come over to pick the potatoes suffer the most from roaming charges or those that go over to the EU or conduct business from the EU. Your average tourist just doesn't turn on their phone when sitting on the beach or wandering about a museum.
I'm sorry, what was the last country you visited? The Republic of 2001?

Having a functional phone is a large part of tourism these days, from Uber to walking maps to figuring out where to eat.
If you have an iPhone you can probably buy an eSIM plan that will do the job, but it's a hassle -- a LOT more so than just having roaming do the work.
 
Can't believe half the comments on here, blaming Brexit, politicising stuff, it's a money grab that's all, if a company can charge they will charge ironically see Apple for reference.
In the great scheme of things it's a couple of quid each day or more likely will be bundled in with existing packages like the other networks offer.
Hardly worth the level of discussion being talked about, if you don't like it at 3 move to another network, for folks visiting the UK, funnily enough they'll either equally have it included in their packs or similar daily charges, hardly worth getting worked up over.
 
That's deaths per capita, something you can't really compare as countries measure this differently (e.g. Belgium counted everything that "could be COVID", without testing it to be sure). I was talking about current infection levels.

But you can’t really compare current infection rates either can you when different countries have come out of lockdowns and restrictions at different times?

The current infection levels isn’t an issue for those of us who have been double vaccinated (as all adults could and should have been by now). The biggest COVID problem the UK faces is persuading all the vaccine doubters.
 
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Gotta stop changing facts. The Pfizer vaccin was developed solely by BioNTech in Germany, Pfizer took control of the production like AZ did for the Oxford vaccin.

And regarding that vast, vast bulk from the UK government, that's not really the truth:

"In most cases, they were unable to determine how much funding a particular source gave, but were able to identify more than £228m worth of grants – the largest chunk from overseas governments including the EU, followed by the UK and then charitable foundations."

https://www.theguardian.com/science...covid-vaccine-research-was-97-publicly-funded

The thing the UK did wrong was granting the Oxford vaccine to AZ, as they truly and royally f*cked it up. Either way, the EU caught up with the UK in vaccine rollout anyway, and infection and hospitalization figures in the EU are considerably lower right now.
Wrong again!

BioNTech was a tiny company that needed to partner with Pfizer on this vaccine, with Pfizer overseeing the clinical trials, logistics and distribution. You think a vaccine is just a bit of biology in a test tube? Not for nothing is it called the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine (among other designations). That renders it a US-EU co-production. The Oxford-AZ vaccine involved two UK-based entities and is therefore more purely British and European. It's quite simple! My point was a simple one, the facts are simple ones!

Even the article you paste (what is it with forum users posting Guardian articles?) has a chart showing that the single biggest investor was the UK government. And it's a bit rich mentioning EU money, when the UK was one of a handful of net contributors to the EU budget! A lot of the money going to Oxford would have been UK taxpayer money just rebadged with an EU flag and sent back.

AZ did not eff anything up. When you use language like that, I question your powers of thought. As to hospitalization, the delta variant took off more quickly in the UK than on the continent, so there is a lag. Countries are not in sync with the pandemic. And no the EU did not catch up with the UK: some countries in the EU have caught up and now surpass the UK, mainly due to the UK hesitancy to vaccinate children and because of ambivalence towards a covid passport to encourage more take up of the vaccine, although that has been changing in the last couple weeks.
 
Wrong again!

BioNTech was a tiny company that needed to partner with Pfizer on this vaccine, with Pfizer overseeing the clinical trials, logistics and distribution. You think a vaccine is just a bit of biology in a test tube? Not for nothing is it called the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine (among other designations). That renders it a US-EU co-production. The Oxford-AZ vaccine involved two UK-based entities and is therefore more purely British and European. It's quite simple! My point was a simple one, the facts are simple ones!

Even the article you paste (what is it with forum users posting Guardian articles?) has a chart showing that the single biggest investor was the UK government. And it's a bit rich mentioning EU money, when the UK was one of a handful of net contributors to the EU budget! A lot of the money going to Oxford would have been UK taxpayer money just rebadged with an EU flag and sent back.

AZ did not eff anything up. When you use language like that, I question your powers of thought. As to hospitalization, the delta variant took off more quickly in the UK than on the continent, so there is a lag. Countries are not in sync with the pandemic. And no the EU did not catch up with the UK: some countries in the EU have caught up and now surpass the UK, mainly due to the UK hesitancy to vaccinate children and because of ambivalence towards a covid passport to encourage more take up of the vaccine, although that has been changing in the last couple weeks.
Okay I get it now. The UK is this perfect empire and the rest of the world, and especially Europe, just suck monkey balls compared to the awesome powers of the United Kingdom.

You're just full of assumptions that I think something that I obviously don't, and never said either. And the whole part of the EU budgets and the so-called UK taxpayer money, you are just clueless to so many things. I'm done with it, not wasting another second on your ramblings.
 
Okay I get it now. The UK is this perfect empire and the rest of the world, and especially Europe, just suck monkey balls compared to the awesome powers of the United Kingdom.

You're just full of assumptions that I think something that I obviously don't, and never said either. And the whole part of the EU budgets and the so-called UK taxpayer money, you are just clueless to so many things. I'm done with it, not wasting another second on your ramblings.
I never said the UK was perfect.

You're just full of assumptions that I think something that I obviously don't, and never said either.

(And you evidently know zero about EU budgets or perhaps you simply don't understand my point).

Bye, boy ;)
 
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I don't mind paying to help my own people. I do mind helping your people. England give us absolutely nothing and no longer serves a purpose. How dare you think we get anything out of funding your county.
If you live in Scotland your vote is pretty much worthless as all real laws affecting you will always be decided by Westminster. So unless the UK changes to some sort of Federal government or Scotland gain independence you are always going to get screwed. (you are always going to get screwed because neither of those things will happen). Accept your serfdom to the English and live a happy life.
 
Not having to deal with EU Bureaucracy, that means we can actually have a quick covid vaccine rollout while the EU dithers.
The UK always had the option to make its own vaccine deal or be a part of the EU deal as of the time we planned our rollout. Whether we were a part of the EU or not did not affect that. Likewise, regardless of whether we were in the EU or not, MHRA had the authority to give emergency authorisation, so we didn’t have to wait for the EMA to authorise any vaccine either.
 
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