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For roaming, those carriers are not competing domestically, they will be competing with local carriers of various countries and also international ones. Besides, everybody else doesn't seem to have an issue using local SIMs when traveling. Are you saying Britons are so dumbfounded and have no resourcefulness that they will just pay up roaming?

In the end, this is a non issue. It's not an issue anywhere else in the world.
When you go from New York to New Jersey, you don’t swap out your SIM. You already paid a contract with your network for a specific amount of data and you basically forego it while you’re away. The US networks fleece Americans and now that EU protections are gone, UK networks are testing the waters, despite the key UK networks like Vodafone and O2 (Telefonica) practically having operations in most EU countries.
 
Without Brexit, I have no doubt we would have signed up for the EU programme. We wouldn't have had a reason not to. Brexit was the reason we couldn't and didn't. And thank goodness!
The UK had every reason to. UK was the worst affected country in Europe and was more desperate than any other country to get on a front foot to make sure we were front of the queue for vaccines. UK has shown it was always willing to opt out of EU initiatives whenever it suited us. The Euro is a great example of that, we were even negotiated protections that meant we never had to consider adopting it unlike other EU countries who must still consider adopting the Euro at some point.
 
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The UK always had the option to make its own vaccine deal or be a part of the EU deal as of the time we planned our rollout. Whether we were a part of the EU or not did not affect that. Likewise, regardless of whether we were in the EU or not, MHRA had the authority to give emergency authorisation, so we didn’t have to wait for the EMA to authorise any vaccine either.
Pretty much admitted at one presser I believe. Forget the Dr's name, she was clear in her answer. BoJo&co needed a demon to deflect in all this mess.
 
Pretty much admitted at one presser I believe. Forget the Dr's name, she was clear in her answer. BoJo&co needed a demon to deflect in all this mess.

Silly thing to say. Yes, we had the option. No one denies that. The point is that we didn't join the EU procurement program, to our great and lasting benefit! It's not hard to understand this point, 400, but you do make things difficult.
 
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If you live in Scotland your vote is pretty much worthless as all real laws affecting you will always be decided by Westminster. So unless the UK changes to some sort of Federal government or Scotland gain independence you are always going to get screwed. (you are always going to get screwed because neither of those things will happen). Accept your serfdom to the English and live a happy life.
Scotland has more powers of any equivalent nation within a close union such as ours. It's pure silliness and highly naive to suggest Scotland is under the thumb of England. It often feels the other way around! Anglophobia is probably the only hatred that seems permissible against a group on this forum and on the Internet at large. It's amusing how the UK is accused of blaming the EU for everything to cover up its own failings, and yet Scotland constantly blames the English for holding it back! You cannot see the mote in your own eye.
 
Can anyone tell me any actual benefit that we (the UK) has from leaving the EU? Because I am struggling to see any.
The super rich get to dodge compliance with the EU tax avoidance Directive.
At everyone else’s expense. That’s about it.
Oh yes, there is actually a genuine up point: the inevitable reunification of Ireland.
 
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The super rich get to dodge compliance with the EU tax avoidance Directive.
At everyone else’s expense. That’s about it.
Oh yes, there is actually a genuine up point: the inevitable reunification of Ireland.
You are so super-informed. What insight! 😆
 
Silly thing to say. Yes, we had the option. No one denies that. The point is that we didn't join the EU procurement program, to our great and lasting benefit! It's not hard to understand this point, 400, but you do make things difficult.
The point is that UK doing what we could have done whether we were in or out of the EU can't then be retroactively claimed as a benefit of leaving the EU, which someone had claimed earlier on.
 
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Silly thing to say. Yes, we had the option. No one denies that. The point is that we didn't join the EU procurement program, to our great and lasting benefit! It's not hard to understand this point, 400, but you do make things difficult.
We are in a bad place then and still are that the only one single thing the UK conservative/brexit party got right was vaccines. They had no choice, there is and was never a plan B.
Edit. Death toll is 156k+
 
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Can anybody tell me what's the big deal here? Thanks to eSIM, there are so many international plans for travelers. And what's so hard putting a local SIM in to avoid roaming charges? With services like whatsapp and other messaging services, I don't see issues of missing contacts while roaming.

Also, if there's a healthy competition between the carriers, they will compete to offer roaming deals with their own partner carriers from various countries. Eg. prepaid plans in Singapore can roam in some countries using the same local data plans.
I’d have thought it was obvious but if you’re paying £20 a month for your contract and you can then use that throughout the EU without extra charges that easily beats either the £2 daily charge or the cost of a local esim. Easily.
 
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Do your research, sir. I can't write a whole essay with footnotes. This is a forum. If you can't prove I was wrong, why should I make the effort of marking my own homework?
Actually I'm quite sure that the forum rules put the onus on you to back up what you claim.

To back up what I have just said in fact;

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Instructing other members to search. Instructing members to search themselves for an answer or responses such as ****** ("**************************") are experienced as rude and condescending. We don't have an issue with people linking to Google search results, although we prefer that members also link to a specific page that addresses the question being posed. A few words explaining how you got your search results makes your response even more helpful.
 
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Scotland has more powers of any equivalent nation within a close union such as ours. It's pure silliness and highly naive to suggest Scotland is under the thumb of England. It often feels the other way around! Anglophobia is probably the only hatred that seems permissible against a group on this forum and on the Internet at large. It's amusing how the UK is accused of blaming the EU for everything to cover up its own failings, and yet Scotland constantly blames the English for holding it back! You cannot see the mote in your own eye.
They should let us go then, if they had somewhere else to store nukes.
 
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Silly thing to say. Yes, we had the option. No one denies that. The point is that we didn't join the EU procurement program, to our great and lasting benefit! It's not hard to understand this point, 400, but you do make things difficult.
But you didnt join the EU procurement programme to buy PPE initially. That cause so many infections during March-April last year and eventually many death. Also, India was not put in red list when other neighbouring country to India was put in a red list almost a month earlier. The reason being Boris was about to travel to India and may be take photograph for his Brexit trade deal. He didn't want to annoy India. That cause delta variant to sweep across UK.
 
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Big Bummer! I have for years bought the Three-UK Sim cards on Amazon that work out to between $1-$2/gb for roaming in over 70 countries! Will be interesting if this holds, and what happens to everyone who bought SIM cards in advance. Looks like we have some time to activate and still use thru 2022.
 
It was advisory, which the government ignored. As for unquestionable...
Being advisory is the weakest argument there is. There would have been no point to any of the campaigning, massive public/private expenditure or to be honest, the democratic process in general had the government of the day just gone 'Ah well, it was only advisory. Let's just ignore it.' - losers consent is very important. It's a shame many (not all) on the remain side didn't concede that, as the whole process would've been much simpler.
 
well, without Brexit they wouldn't be allowed to "change their stance on roaming" in the EU, greed or no greed
That is very true, and a good point. Brexit is all about trade-offs, and perhaps this is one where political interference did genuinely benefit the consumer versus the big corporate. There'll be benefits to counteract that loss. Hopefully they're just as noticeable.
 
Brexit was and still is a political right wing con, it was never trade offs. We now have one of the worst governments ever in charge and I expect not much in the way of a real push back on roaming without knowing more about 3.
Awaits the benefits but not holding my breath.
 
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Brexit was and still is a political right wing con, it was never trade offs. We now have one of the worst governments ever in charge and I expect not much in the way of a real push back on roaming without knowing more about 3.
Awaits the benefits but not holding my breath.
The greatest danger is tribalism - when your team is always right and the other team is always wrong. It's a human weakness and you even see it with phones. When the Conservatives introduced measures at the start of lockdown which were more socialist than Labour would have dared to do, the left criticised. Overcome tribal frailties and the world looks brighter.
 
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The greatest danger is tribalism - when your team is always right and the other team is always wrong. It's a human weakness and you even see it with phones. When the Conservatives introduced measures at the start of lockdown which were more socialist than Labour would have dared to do, the left criticised. Overcome tribal frailties and the world looks brighter.
A con is a con. Hard to say what labour would have done, they might have handled it better, or worse. But they are not in charge nor have they for some years. The cons messed up the lockdown, too little too late, lined the pockets of their chums and only did anything when the death rate was rising past Boris ability to look good. And this is the talent trying to deliver brexit. Wonder what the next "benefit" will be.
 
Hard to say what labour would have done, they might have handled it better, or worse. But they are not in charge nor have they for some years.
Wrong. They are in charge in Wales and have autonomy over a whole raft of issues, such as Covid restrictions and lockdown, and they have tax-raising powers. In Scotland there is a left-leaning social democratic government with the SNP in charge. We can see how the other political groups have managed the pandemic and, to be honest, there is nothing to choose between them. The outcomes are pretty much identical. So often politics is hot air and little else.
 
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Wrong. They are in charge in Wales and have autonomy over a whole raft of issues, such as Covid restrictions and lockdown, and they have tax-raising powers. In Scotland there is a left-leaning social democratic government with the SNP in charge. We can see how the other political groups have managed the pandemic and, to be honest, there is nothing to choose between them. The outcomes are pretty much identical. So often politics is hot air and little else.
Right.
Deflection.
Who is in charge of UK policy with respect borders etc?(hint, not Wales) Who is in charge of UK measures and how pours are our borders? Wales policies did better in Wales than UK policies would have where we had a choice (PPE £for£, Hancocks chums made a fortune), we are hobbled by the attachment to an inept government, devolution is not a complete severance from UK control. Though I would say they didn't do everything right, they did better, but poverty in Wales is a lot higher, that impacted what went on. We are a small percentage behind England in the terrible death rates.

This is a problem when a nation does not have enough autonomy and is tethered such. It presents an excellent argument now for independence. Had there been any capability at No10 this would not be an issue.

Tax raising is hobbled, there is a concerted effort to pull devolution and this is run from central government or who ever pulls their strings. Wales is about to have a number done on them and we are about to lose a lot of MP's.

No10 are an issue in the UK at the moment, they are in overall control, it is a conservative government (in name only). They are also a Brexit government, and in that measure, the only ability most have on the front benches are to say "how high sir!".
So, roaming charges. What next?
 
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