Three Becomes Latest UK Mobile Operator to Bring Back EU Roaming Charges

[H2SO4]

Right.
Deflection.
Who is in charge of UK policy with respect borders etc?(hint, not Wales) Who is in charge of UK measures and how pours are our borders? Wales policies did better in Wales than UK policies would have where we had a choice (PPE £for£, Hancocks chums made a fortune), we are hobbled by the attachment to an inept government, devolution is not a complete severance from UK control. Though I would say they didn't do everything right, they did better, but poverty in Wales is a lot higher, that impacted what went on. We are a small percentage behind England in the terrible death rates.

This is a problem when a nation does not have enough autonomy and is tethered such. It presents an excellent argument now for independence. Had there been any capability at No10 this would not be an issue.

Tax raising is hobbled, there is a concerted effort to pull devolution and this is run from central government or who ever pulls their strings. Wales is about to have a number done on them and we are about to lose a lot of MP's.

No10 are an issue in the UK at the moment, they are in overall control, it is a conservative government (in name only). They are also a Brexit government, and in that measure, the only ability most have on the front benches are to say "how high sir!".
So, roaming charges. What next?

I'm asking myself if Brexit is the beginning of the end for the Uk.
England has always seemed to think it was better than the other members of the union and speaking to people from those other 'member states', it seems that they concur. It also seems probably apart from the Welsh that the others wanted to remain and seem also more open to independence in far greater numbers than we saw in England.

 

[scgf]

Right.
Deflection.
Who is in charge of UK policy with respect borders etc?(hint, not Wales)

Wrong. Deflection tactics. The Welsh government could close its borders. It did for a while. It was able to have completely different lockdown rules than England. It is lazy for a Labour supporter (or one who speaks like one) to deflect criticism by claiming they have not been in government, when they clearly are in Wales. Yes, tax-raising powers are limited but the Welsh government was and is able to do some of the things they criticise the Westminster government for not doing. That they have not done so using the powers they have speaks volumes.

I am not criticising the Welsh government, nor an I criticising the UK government. What I am saying is how much I hate tribalism for the sake of tribalism. The pandemic situation was dire and I believe a government of any political colour anywhere in the UK would be in the exact same situation re. Covid. For all its hot air, Labour has not demonstrated what it would do differently and where it is in government it has fared no better than the rest of the UK.

Are you suggesting that if Labour had more power in Wales than devolution allows, the situation would be markedly different than across the border in England?

 

[400]

I'm asking myself if Brexit is the beginning of the end for the Uk.
England has always seemed to think it was better than the other members of the union and speaking to people from those other 'member states', it seems that they concur. It also seems probably apart from the Welsh that the others wanted to remain and seem also more open to independence in far greater numbers than we saw in England.

Not sure. Certainly before the B word I was anti Wales breakaway. Now I am open to idea's. The problem with the B word is it was all sold on a nod and a wink and a lot of manipulation. Never really thought that England thought it was better, but rather Westminster perhaps doesn't understand.

Wrong. Deflection tactics. The Welsh government could close its borders. It did for a while. It was able to have completely different lockdown rules than England. It is lazy for a Labour supporter (or one who speaks like one) to deflect criticism by claiming they have not been in government, when they clearly are in Wales. Yes, tax-raising powers are limited but the Welsh government is able to do some of the things they criticise the Westminster government for not doing

I am not criticising the Welsh government, nor an I criticising the UK government. What I am saying is how much I hate tribalism for the sake of tribalism. The pandemic situation was dire and I believe a government of any political colour anywhere in the UK would be in the exact same situation re. Covid. For all its hot air, Labour has not demonstrated what it would do differently and where it is in government it has fared no better than the rest of the UK.

Are you suggesting that if Labour had more power in Wales than devolution allows, the situation would be markedly different than across the border in England?

International borders, we had no control over them. India anyone? Our road borders are still porous, not enough police to go around since, er, oh yeah, Con government slashed it back.
No10 were in charge. It is their gig.
Labour, heard of them, anyone seen them lately? Funnily enough I have never voted for them.

Re Wales. There were adults in the room here, there were idiots in the room at No10 (and interested right wing funded parties). The stand up pressers revealed a lot.

 

[scgf]

International borders, we had no control over them. India anyone? Our road borders are still porous, not enough police to go around since, er, oh yeah, Con government slashed it back.
No10 were in charge. It is their gig.
Labour, heard of them, anyone seen them lately? Funnily enough I have never voted for them.

Re Wales. There were adults in the room here, there were idiots in the room at No10 (and interested right wing funded parties). The stand up pressers revealed a lot.

I rest my case.

 

[H2SO4]

Not sure. Certainly before the B word I was anti Wales breakaway. Now I am open to idea's. The problem with the B word is it was all sold on a nod and a wink and a lot of manipulation. Never really thought that England thought it was better, but rather Westminster perhaps doesn't understand.

International borders, we had no control over them. India anyone? Our road borders are still porous, not enough police to go around since, er, oh yeah, Con government slashed it back.
No10 were in charge. It is their gig.
Labour, heard of them, anyone seen them lately? Funnily enough I have never voted for them.

Re Wales. There were adults in the room here, there were idiots in the room at No10 (and interested right wing funded parties). The stand up pressers revealed a lot.

Some good points there.
I remember growing up it always seemed to be the negative stereotypes were about everybody except the English. Remember those Englishman, Irishman,Scotsman jokes? (Which the Welsh were always strangely absent from).
Anyhow if you look for the terms Adam Posen and Brexit on YouTube you’ll get some even more interesting insight from a non UK source and it kind of predicts the 3Uk thing.

 

[Dunk the Lunk]

Tax raising is hobbled, there is a concerted effort to pull devolution and this is run from central government or who ever pulls their strings.

I always find this argument from Nationalists interesting. It reminds me very much of the Brexiteers pointless ‘more sovereignty argument’. It sounds great, positive and uplifting but in reality does it mean anything? I absolutely think the UK tax system is not as fair as it could be but given an independent Wales (or Scotland) exactly which taxes would you raise? While it would be nice to make large corporations pay more given Ireland is in effect a corporate tax haven what would that achieve? Apple et al already ignore the UK for their head offices etc. Likewise raising taxes on the highest earners? They’ll just hop across the border (unless you want a ‘hard’ border) with England? On the other hand would you reduce taxes (say to match Ireland? Do you think that’s sustainable in the long run? Given that the Irish only have a subsidised health service (not a free at point of use) IMO I don’t see the maths stacking up without some pretty severe cuts to something (probably the NHS). Twenty years ago in Scotland creating a sovereign wealth fund from oil receipts would have worked but sadly that ship has long since sailed (if we are to avoid a climate catastrophe) and never applied to Wales anyway?

 

[400]

Some good points there.
I remember growing up it always seemed to be the negative stereotypes were about everybody except the English. Remember those Englishman, Irishman,Scotsman jokes? (Which the Welsh were always strangely absent from).
Anyhow if you look for the terms Adam Posen and Brexit on YouTube you’ll get some even more interesting insight from a non UK source and it kind of predicts the 3Uk thing.

You don't have to go back far to see the bias against Welsh. Quite vitriolic and painting us in a poor light. Remember a lot of industry owners when heavy stuff came along, they owned schools, shops etc. and, well, they are days gone by now. They are no longer around but the results are. Hopefully I reverse a small part when I take up Welsh lessons filling the three generation gap that was a result of that bias.

It will be interesting times, apparently there is a leap in interest in independence since brexit and covid. I am not sure we can yet, but my stance is now different to "we should not". Two events changed that stance. But if Scotland get it next then Wales will be waking up to the idea even more. Cons will be attacking all these idea's and are already on the case.

 

[400]

I always find this argument from Nationalists interesting. It reminds me very much of the Brexiteers pointless ‘more sovereignty argument’. It sounds great, positive and uplifting but in reality does it mean anything? I absolutely think the UK tax system is not as fair as it could be but given an independent Wales (or Scotland) exactly which taxes would you raise? While it would be nice to make large corporations pay more given Ireland is in effect a corporate tax haven what would that achieve? Apple et al already ignore the UK for their head offices etc. Likewise raising taxes on the highest earners? They’ll just hop across the border (unless you want a ‘hard’ border) with England? On the other hand would you reduce taxes (say to match Ireland? Do you think that’s sustainable in the long run? Given that the Irish only have a subsidised health service (not a free at point of use) IMO I don’t see the maths stacking up without some pretty severe cuts to something (probably the NHS). Twenty years ago in Scotland creating a sovereign wealth fund from oil receipts would have worked but sadly that ship has long since sailed (if we are to avoid a climate catastrophe) and never applied to Wales anyway?

I am not a nationalist.
Yet.
But there is a concerted effort to meddle in devolution. The new owners of No10 are none to caring for autonomy in any form and don't want challenges to their control.
Can't answer the tax issue, I just pay them. And seemingly will be paying even more soon. So much for that bus.

 

[cmaier]

Food shortages due to a lack of lorry drivers which is something that is also a problem in Europe and the USA.
My Waitrose delivery driver has just quit to be an hub driver as he’d get paid far more due to the driver shortage. It’s not Brexit but a global shortage especially when average age of a driver is 50+ & older drivers are retiring.

There are no food shortages in the USA.

 

[Dunk the Lunk]

I am not a nationalist.
Yet.
But there is a concerted effort to meddle in devolution. The new owners of No10 are none to caring for autonomy in any form and don't want challenges to their control.
Can't answer the tax issue, I just pay them. And seemingly will be paying even more soon. So much for that bus.

You say you aren’t an nationalist but to me you are sounding like exactly like a Brexiteer! Wales [Britain] is being shafted by Westminster [Brussels] and while I can’t answer fairly basic questions to responses on topics I’ve raised Independence [Brexit] is going to be the answer!

Personally I’m very happy to be paying more tax to help fund the NHS and social care. I fully understand that for people less well off than me this may make life harder but hopefully it will ultimately help them too. Ironically for a right wing politician it’s a pretty left wing thing to do. And it has nothing to do with any country (or region) of the UK being shafted.

 

[H2SO4]

You don't have to go back far to see the bias against Welsh. Quite vitriolic and painting us in a poor light. Remember a lot of industry owners when heavy stuff came along, they owned schools, shops etc. and, well, they are days gone by now. They are no longer around but the results are. Hopefully I reverse a small part when I take up Welsh lessons filling the three generation gap that was a result of that bias.

It will be interesting times, apparently there is a leap in interest in independence since brexit and covid. I am not sure we can yet, but my stance is now different to "we should not". Two events changed that stance. But if Scotland get it next then Wales will be waking up to the idea even more. Cons will be attacking all these idea's and are already on the case.

Not denying the bias exists/existed, just that I never really saw/heard it on the scale that I experienced for the Irish in particular and then the Scottish.

 

[MLVC]

There are no food shortages in the USA.

I haven't noticed any in The Netherlands, Germany, France, Belgium or Italy either this summer. Shelves are stocked as normal so the so-called shortage isn't causing any issues in the EU as far as I know.

 

[catean]

I can confirm there are no food shortages in Romania, Hungary, Austria, Slovenia or Croatia, but I can see shortages in London where I moved as of June this year.

 

[H2SO4]

I can confirm there are no food shortages in Romania, Hungary, Austria, Slovenia or Croatia, but I can see the in London where I moved as of June this year.

I've been to Ireland quite recently and I can tell you from personal experience that;

• There are some food shortages north of the border.
• There don't appear to be any food shortages south of the border.

 

[darthbane2k]

Trust me, it doesn't.

Does right now. Look no further than the clown college, I mean government

 

[211]

Being advisory is the weakest argument there is. There would have been no point to any of the campaigning, massive public/private expenditure or to be honest, the democratic process in general had the government of the day just gone 'Ah well, it was only advisory. Let's just ignore it.' - losers consent is very important. It's a shame many (not all) on the remain side didn't concede that, as the whole process would've been much simpler.

How is it weak? The ballot paper said "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" That is not an instruction to carry out the result. As for the campaigning, do you really think people don't have their own agenda that would benefit them, but not the public? Relaxation of regulations, tax, charging (like what 3 has done). All they needed to do was use and convince the public that Brexit was for their benefit, then these people/businesses can do what they want with no benefit to the public. The result wouldn't be "let's ignore it", the UK would address those concerns with the EU. A democratic vote on something that a lot of people didn't know what they were voting for together with lies and misinformation about the EU to forward the Brexit agenda, doesn't make it a fair process. As for loser's consent, I guess no one should have been against the democratically-elected Nazi Party then, right?

 

[pelowj]

I've been to Ireland quite recently and I can tell you from personal experience that;

• There are some food shortages north of the border.
• There don't appear to be any food shortages south of the border.

This is true, but from my own anecdotal evidence the shortages in NI are limited to UK shops with no presence in the Republic (Sainsburys, Asda, etc.) or shops who rely heavily on just in time delivery and have no real distribution infrastructure in Ireland (M&S).

Shops with a considerable presence in the Republic (Tesco) have just basically absorbed NI into their operations in the Republic and are supplying as normal as part of their EU supply chain. This is mostly working well, but I have seen the odd empty shelf.

Irish shops like SuperValu, Dunnes, etc. are having no issues, nor are the likes of Aldi and Lidl.

Any shortages in Ireland really appear to be because the business itself failed to properly prepare rather there being overall supply chain issues, like in GB.

-jp

 

[H2SO4]

This is true, but from my own anecdotal evidence the shortages in NI are limited to UK shops with no presence in the Republic (Sainsburys, Asda, etc.) or shops who rely heavily on just in time delivery and have no real distribution infrastructure in Ireland (M&S).

Shops with a considerable presence in the Republic (Tesco) have just basically absorbed NI into their operations in the Republic and are supplying as normal as part of their EU supply chain. This is mostly working well, but I have seen the odd empty shelf.

Irish shops like SuperValu, Dunnes, etc. are having no issues, nor are the likes of Aldi and Lidl.

Any shortages in Ireland really appear to be because the business itself failed to properly prepare rather there being overall supply chain issues, like in GB.

-jp

No doubt, but I can only go by what my eyes relay to me and there will of course be behind the scenes machinations that I'm unaware of.
I would say however that the Dublin Tesco seem to be much better stocked than the Derry Tesco branches.

 

[techfirth]

How is it weak? The ballot paper said "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" That is not an instruction to carry out the result. As for the campaigning, do you really think people don't have their own agenda that would benefit them, but not the public? Relaxation of regulations, tax, charging (like what 3 has done). All they needed to do was use and convince the public that Brexit was for their benefit, then these people/businesses can do what they want with no benefit to the public. The result wouldn't be "let's ignore it", the UK would address those concerns with the EU. A democratic vote on something that a lot of people didn't know what they were voting for together with lies and misinformation about the EU to forward the Brexit agenda, doesn't make it a fair process. As for loser's consent, I guess no one should have been against the democratically-elected Nazi Party then, right?

Ah, the same old Brexit derangement syndrome. 😂

It was all orchestrated by a few evil corporates who didn’t want to throw away their bendy bananas anymore, right?

It wasn’t that people wanted less money spent on M(E)P’s salaries, or less waste in the political system? It wasn’t a vote for ‘less government, not more’ or a protest at the idea that a bunch of people who have never, and probably never will set foot in my town or even my county, voting on issues that affect me and my town?

It wasn’t the fact that David Cameron, then prime minister was humiliated by Brussels, asking for changes to agreements that they were too arrogant to consider?

If people didn’t know what they were voting for, tell me why we didn’t vote for a pro-EU party in 2019 and reverse the decision? Why did a party promising to ‘get Brexit done’ win a stonking majority if the people, unaware of what they were voting for in 2016, had seen the light?

As for your silly Nazi comment, perhaps think before you type. Hitler won and took power over Germany. The world didn’t go to war with him because he won an election, it went to war with him because he went on to commit genocide, jackass.

 

[MLVC]

Ah, the same old Brexit derangement syndrome. 😂

It was all orchestrated by a few evil corporates who didn’t want to throw away their bendy bananas anymore, right?

It wasn’t that people wanted less money spent on M(E)P’s salaries, or less waste in the political system? It wasn’t a vote for ‘less government, not more’ or a protest at the idea that a bunch of people who have never, and probably never will set foot in my town or even my county, voting on issues that affect me and my town?

It wasn’t the fact that David Cameron, then prime minister was humiliated by Brussels, asking for changes to agreements that they were too arrogant to consider?

If people didn’t know what they were voting for, tell me why we didn’t vote for a pro-EU party in 2019 and reverse the decision? Why did a party promising to ‘get Brexit done’ win a stonking majority if the people, unaware of what they were voting for in 2016, had seen the light?

As for your silly Nazi comment, perhaps think before you type. Hitler won and took power over Germany. The world didn’t go to war with him because he won an election, it went to war with him because he went on to commit genocide, jackass.

Actually the world went to war with Hitler after he invaded Poland. He was still a long way from committing genocide. Get your history straight.

 

[211]

The fact that you mention bendy bananas shows you're another Brexiter that knows nothing. Your reasons why people voted for Brexit may be for some, but where is this extra money now? Do you think every British prime minister and politician have been to every town in the UK? What point would that prove anyway? You conveniently have ignored the main campaign push by Vote Leave was to get rid of the foreigners. Why? As for your comment about David Cameron's "humiliation"- are you saying as he was the UK prime minister should always get what he wants? What were the changes to agreements he wanted? As for the general election, there was 1 main party that took the stance to leave, the other main party didn't have the same stance to remain (and had a leader that people believed in the lies about him). The rest were too small and split the vote so would never achieve the majority. So clearly people who wanted Brexit had one choice where people who didn't want it didn't.

How did Hitler get into power in the first place? You missed that step, moron.

 

[catean]

I am a Romanian that lived, and continue to live, in London at the unfortunate moment of the vote. I work in IT and contribute with around 30k £ in taxes every year only from my income tax and NI. You don't want to feel how I felt in 2016 when Nigel's party was spreading hate and a xenophobic speech all over the country that I love and continue to love. Unfortunately U.K. will be, and is already, poorer because of the way Brexit was advertised and the poor political skills of the U.K. politicians. I am sad to see that the hate is spreading even on Macrumors, 5 years after the horrible June day. I feel that the entire world is going backwards.

 

[techfirth]

I am a Romanian that lived, and continue to live, in London at the unfortunate moment of the vote. I work in IT and contribute with around 30k £ in taxes every year only from my income tax and NI. You don't want to feel how I felt in 2016 when Nigel's party was spready hate and a xenophobic speech all over the country that I love and continue to love. Unfortunately U.K. will be, and is already, poorer because of the way Brexit was advertised and the poor political skills of the U.K. politicians. I am sad to see that the hate is spreading even on Macrumors, 5 years after the horrible June day. I feel that the entire world is going backwards.

I'm sorry you feel this way catean. As a supporter of Brexit, I can assure you that many many people voted for Brexit for reasons other than 'bloody foreigners', as was characterised by the mainstream media. Animated characters like NF didn't and don't represent the entire debate. In fact, had he been the sole representative of the campaign at the time of the vote, you can be sure that remain would've won, but the fact is that the UK has a long and arduous relationship with the EU, and for many people, many issues were worth leaving over, but you and your countrymen weren't a big factor for most of them.

 

[techfirth]

The fact that you mention bendy bananas shows you're another Brexiter that knows nothing. Your reasons why people voted for Brexit may be for some, but where is this extra money now? Do you think every British prime minister and politician have been to every town in the UK? What point would that prove anyway? You conveniently have ignored the main campaign push by Vote Leave was to get rid of the foreigners. Why? As for your comment about David Cameron's "humiliation"- are you saying as he was the UK prime minister should always get what he wants? What were the changes to agreements he wanted? As for the general election, there was 1 main party that took the stance to leave, the other main party didn't have the same stance to remain (and had a leader that people believed in the lies about him). The rest were too small and split the vote so would never achieve the majority. So clearly people who wanted Brexit had one choice where people who didn't want it didn't.

How did Hitler get into power in the first place? You missed that step, moron.

Whatever you say my friend. Continue to believe whatever you like about the campaign to leave - you have very little idea why lots of people voted the way they did. You can choose to focus all of your energy on the worst of them, that's your absolute right.

 

[211]

You give far too much credit that a lot of people's motivation are honourable. You only have to go to places like Twitter, Facebook, The Daily Mail and Yahoo! comments (which have been removed for a reason), etc. to see what quite a few people think. At the end of the day, the public who voted for Brexit was so to see a benefit in doing so; none have been realised, yet negatives have been.