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It pains me that as I have lived abroad for 16 years, I no longer have a right to vote in UK elections, yet everything that incompetent government of wasters does affects me as a British citizen abroad.

It's a total abandonment of citizens who choose to exercise their freedom to live where they choose in our world.

Even worse, many of those years were in a British overseas territory, but that counted for nothing.

It's a "law" that must be abolished. Millions of Brits live overseas with no say in their controlling government back home, yet every choice made by those morons affects every single one of us. And we can do nothing.

Thankfully, I have earnt the right to apply for my citizenship where I live in just under two years, and I have the right to apply in just 12 months. Believe me, I'll be doing it the moment I can, and I will be binning my sons British passport and replacing it with the nation he was born in and still remains in the EU.

As my father is Scottish, perhaps one day, I'll be able to use that to my advantage and regain my Scottish EU identity in years to come. Who knows?
A little late now, but perhaps it'll help. I know most Scots abroad own a house here too and live in Sri Lanka or other places. Gives you a base to collect your pension and travel back if you ever need the NHS. Though being in the EU, you aren't quite at this kind of disadvantage if something goes wrong.
 
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They're behind several EU countries in vacation. They have more deaths and infected. There the only "EU" country not having recovered economicly from the brex*cough* "pandemic". What a win...
Wrong. See my earlier posts.
 
So frustrating! I’m with 3 but on a rolling contract, so hopefully this won’t affect me 🤞🏼
 
A little late now, but perhaps it'll help. I know most Scots abroad own a house here too and live in Sri Lanka or other places. Gives you a base to collect your pension and travel back if you ever need the NHS. Though being in the EU, you aren't quite at this kind of disadvantage if something goes wrong.

So you live abroad, pay no tax in the UK, and lament your loss of agency in UK elections and referenda?
 
Complete nonsense. If there had been no Brexit, we would have joined the EU's procurement program, which was astonishingly slow. "Using EU laws" is neither here nor there in the face of actual operational complexities. We didn't sign up for the programme, and we benefitted enormously.
No.... the vaccine would have continued in the exact same way. Perhaps even quicker as Jan 1st 2021 would not have brought trade to a halt.
 
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So you live abroad, pay no tax in the UK, and lament your loss of agency in UK elections and referenda?
I live in Scotland and pay tax in Scotland. Soon that will include a extra few thousand a year in NI to fund peoples healthcare in another country.
 
No.... the vaccine would have continued in the exact same way. Perhaps even quicker as Jan 1st 2021 would not have brought trade to a halt.

Um, we procured vaccines faster than the EU. That is a fact. We were the first in the world to start our vaccine programme while EU countries stumbled, got angry, and started telling lies about Astra Zeneca. For goodness sake, wake up!
 
I live in Scotland and pay tax in Scotland. Soon that will include a extra few thousand a year in NI to fund peoples healthcare in another country.
Which implies you are on a £120k salary. I'm sure you don't begrudge paying more for NHS Scotland and care. Plus, Scots get millions more than they pay in due to the Union. As an English tax payer, you are welcome.
 
So the UK left Europe because 37% of the adult population voted to leave? Not exactly a consensus.

Regardless if the decision was right or wrong, the bar should have been 60%, not 37%.
Absolutely, it was such a poorly designed binary referendum even without the total misinformation, mendacity and ignorance which dominated the campaign.

We know the referendum was largely voted for on emotion, very few people know anything about how the EU works (this is a different issue to be concerned about) but even less were even concerned about the effect the EU had in the couple of years before the referendum. The Brexit vote was also a protest vote over 10 years of hard-ship following the global recession, the lack of investment and the cuts in services. It was a perfect storm.

David Cameron will always be considered the biggest fool of British politics for agreeing to the referendum being designed that a simple majority would trigger a result on an advisory referendum when there was no clear understanding what leaving the EU would entail. Even the biggest supporters of Brexit said we'd never leave the single market.

The biggest problem about Brexit was it meant something different to every person that voted for it because it was never articulated more than general statements about taking back control. Other countries couldn't believe we were so naive to have a binding vote of such importance on a simple yes/no vote with what the future might entail.

I attach the image which shows the parlous state the UK finds itself in because of the hardest of Brexits which was chosen by a small number of politicians and the billionaire media company owners who are able to serve extreme right-wing propaganda on a daily basis.

We were never part of the Schengen zone but were part of the EU, we are now not part of the European Economic Area (EEA), the Customs Union, the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) - the UK is now completely on its own. Utter madness.

I will say the tide has turned because of the incompetent implementation of Brexit by Tory politicians who thought it would so simple. They never had a clue of what to do after their campaign.

Things like introducing roaming fees will act as a small irritant in the mind of consumers to rejoining the EU. Next summer when European travel likely resumes people will be horrified at having to pay for something that was previously free in their minds. Also the way people will be treated at airports in Europe will be vastly different to how they experienced them before. These are minor but their tangible in how people make decisions about the future.

The Brexit vote was five years ago and yet we are only beginning to feel the effects. The demographic changes in half a decade are huge. From all the people who voted for Brexit who have died to all the teenagers who weren't old enough to vote in 2016 but are now of voting age. Give it another five years and I believe the arithmetic needed for a different result would be very clear in favour of rejoining the EU likely from just new voters replacing voters no longer alive. This doesn't even touch on the people who will have changed their mind about how they voted at the time of the referendum.

The Tory government will try and package the devastating economic effects of Brexit and blame it on the devastating economic effects of the Covid pandemic but the UK is in for some serious pain in the coming years.

The UK will also likely have a new monarch within a decade and that will mean another tectonic shift in the lives of the British. Prince Charles is nowhere near as popular as Queen Elizabeth. Having the face of King Charles on currency will have an impact people.

When the UK does have another vote on rejoining the EU and I think it's going to be in the near/medium term accelerated by the disaster of the pandemic it will almost certainly mean the UK has to agree to the terms of all new entrants into the EU. Therefore Schengen and adoption of the Euro as the currency will be requirements to be re-admitted to the EU.
 

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Um, we procured vaccines faster than the EU. That is a fact. We were the first in the world to start our vaccine programme while EU countries stumbled, got angry, and started telling lies about Astra Zeneca. For goodness sake, wake up!
You are not quoting facts, you are just grasping at anything to make it look like leaving the union was a good idea. The facts are being presented to you by so many posters here. You were duped into believing in this daft idea, wake up and take ownership that you gone goofed.
 
What independence? What is this "independence" was I giving up? This is BS and you know it.
You are confusing a rather selfish and solipsistic sense of independence, which only affects you, with the freedom to make more of our own laws on a national level, now and long into the future.
 
Complete nonsense. If there had been no Brexit, we would have joined the EU's procurement program, which was astonishingly slow. "Using EU laws" is neither here nor there in the face of actual operational complexities. We didn't sign up for the programme, and we benefitted enormously.
You have your own "reality distortion field". Nothing anyone will say will change your psychological scotoma
 
Which implies you are on a £120k salary. I'm sure you don't begrudge paying more for NHS Scotland and care. Plus, Scots get millions more than they pay in due to the Union. As an English tax payer, you are welcome.
I don't mind paying to help my own people. I do mind helping your people. England give us absolutely nothing and no longer serves a purpose. How dare you think we get anything out of funding your county.
 
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lol, are you actually trying to play the victim? Britain has a few more centuries of penance for the atrocities of the empire before anyone cares about your maudlin whining.
Playing the victim? Strange interpretation. Besides, many nations had empires. You talk as if this is unique to the UK. Far, far from it. May I ask where you are from?
 
You have your own "reality distortion field". Nothing anyone will say will change your psychological scotoma
And you, unique amongst humans, are singularly objective in all your judgements. Play the ball, not the man, 211. Ad hominem attacks are cheap and lazy.
 
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For roaming, those carriers are not competing domestically, they will be competing with local carriers of various countries and also international ones. Besides, everybody else doesn't seem to have an issue using local SIMs when traveling. Are you saying Britons are so dumbfounded and have no resourcefulness that they will just pay up roaming?

I'm saying getting a local SIM is fine, but doesn't change that cellular carriers aren't a healthy market that survives without regulation.

 
I don't mind paying to help my own people. I do mind helping your people. England give us absolutely nothing and no longer serves a purpose. How dare you think we get anything out of funding your county.
Scots get far more back in money than they pay in. Look at GERS report, which confirms this and is written by the Scottish government itself.
 
You are not quoting facts, you are just grasping at anything to make it look like leaving the union was a good idea. The facts are being presented to you by so many posters here. You were duped into believing in this daft idea, wake up and take ownership that you gone goofed.
And you are not grasping at reasons to overturn a mandate from the electorate? Desperate stuff. Tell me which facts I use that are wrong.
 
But you don't know, do you? And we were still in the EU when the vaccine rollout started and these decisions were made
Yes but neither do you! Besides, it would have been political suicide to have signed up to the EU programme despite Brexit. Without Brexit, it is unthinkable that we would not have signed up to an EU-wide program.
 
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Scots get far more back in money than they pay in. Look at GERS report, which confirms this and is written by the Scottish government itself.
I said we get nothing from England, that isn't a debate. England no longer serves any purpose. Yes we were starting to get on in the EU and rebuild relations... voting to leave that union has destroyed decades of progress.
 
Um, we procured vaccines faster than the EU. That is a fact. We were the first in the world to start our vaccine programme while EU countries stumbled, got angry, and started telling lies about Astra Zeneca. For goodness sake, wake up!
They were not lies, they were genuine concerns. The side effects from Astra Zeneca were also confirmed from countries like the US, India and Australia. A lot of countries have preferred other vaccines because of these concerns.
 
And you are not grasping at reasons to overturn a mandate from the electorate? Desperate stuff. Tell me which facts I use that are wrong.
62% of the population voted to remain and where ignored. Stop trying to make your bad idea seem like a good one. Just admit you goofed up and start working with your fellow countrymen to mend the fences and rejoin the EU so we can get back on track.
 
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