Three Becomes Latest UK Mobile Operator to Bring Back EU Roaming Charges

[James_C]

Can anyone tell me any actual benefit that we (the UK) has from leaving the EU? Because I am struggling to see any.

Not having to deal with EU Bureaucracy, that means we can actually have a quick covid vaccine rollout while the EU dithers.

 

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[ruka.snow]

Not having to deal with EU Bureaucracy, that means we can actually have a quick covid vaccine rollout while the EU dithers.

Nope, the EU didn't slow Scotland down one bit. England on the other hand, well you voted in incompetent people so you get incompetent results, but even then the EU didn't slow down the vaccine rollout given that we were still bound by EU laws until Jan 1st of this year.

 

[scgf]

Yes, I am complaining because the country is worse-off. Funny how people who backed Brexit claim they care about the country, but now choose to look the other way

Funny how those who supported the UK staying in the EU conveniently don't mention that there would have been many more deaths from Covid had we stayed in. The UK would have rolled out Covid vaccinations along with the EMA (European Medicines Agency) and people would have died because of the slow roll-out. What we did as a self-governing, somewhat maverick nation, was took risks and placed orders even before the vaccines had been developed. There's no point arguing that we wouldn't have had to join in the EMA vaccination programme - I believe we would have as one of the most compliant nations in the EU when we were a member. Currently, less than a year after Brexit, there are issues, teething troubles, as we all expected, but IMO we will reap the benefits of Brexit in years to come. I love Europe but I hate the EU as an administrative entity. I care more about lives than a few temporary supply issues or free roaming.

 

[ashdelacroix]

I don't disagree, but if such an important decision can be made with such a small turnout and such a small majority, then it should be put to a vote every 5-10 years, or at least until 60%+ of the adult population (say 30m people) want one way or the other.

Where is the logic in making "such an important decision" every 5 to 10 years!! Upheaval every half decade. If you really, really thought about it, you'd know that is supreme silliness. You also forget that both sides of the debate acknowledged that the Brexit debate was one of the most engaged and vigorous, in which broadcasters were widely praised for their objectivity (at least until the vote: after that, they went mad). So, let us not rewrite history. It was a huge democratic exercise in which all points of view were well ventilated. Over 33 million cast their vote within known parameters and most people want to move beyond the Brexit fallout, in which some Remainers simply couldn't, and can't, let go of the reality that long-held euroscepticism in this country reached its logical conclusion.

 

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Aye, it used to be you could just pick up a sim anywhere. Or even a dozen. Now there are a lot of checks on them no matter where you travel. Supposedly this cuts down on fraud, but it seems it increases profits.

Lebara will probably benefit from the tech savvy travellers. £2 a day is actually quite reasonable, compared to a hassle of finding a SIM, etc. If you don’t have a roaming covering Switzerland (which is outside of the EU), for example, your French operator can easily charge you around 3-5€ per MB! This is a totally different level of greed. 😬

 

[ruka.snow]

Funny how those who supported the UK staying in the EU conveniently don't mention that there would have been many more deaths from Covid had we stayed in. The UK would have rolled out Covid vaccinations along with the EMA (European Medicines Agency) and people would have died because of the slow roll-out. What we did as a self-governing, somewhat maverick nation, was took risks and placed orders even before the vaccines had been developed. There's no point arguing that we wouldn't have had to join in the EMA vaccination programme - I believe we would have as one of the most compliant nations in the EU when we were members. Currently, less than a year after Brexit, there are issues, teething troubles, as we all expected, but IMO we will reap the benefits of Brexit in years to come. I love Europe but I hate the EU as an administrative entity. I care more about lives than a few temporary supply issues or free roaming.

Scotland and England rolled out vaccines while still under the EU. Nothing was prevented and the same 10,000 people would have died. Earlier lockdowns would have prevented deaths and idiots not coming up to Scotland for a bloody holiday during a pandemic would have reduced that number.

 

[ashdelacroix]

It was advisory, which the government ignored. As for unquestionable...

Brexit 'Vote Leave' campaign fined and referred to police

The UK's Electoral Commission said the Vote Leave Brexit campaign resisted its investigation and refused to cooperate. Some of those involved in Vote Leave have joined Boris Johnson's government.

www.dw.com

It was advisory? I don't know whether you were engaged with the campaign or whether you voted or even whether you are British or not, but the whole vote was advisory with a commitment by the then government to honour the vote. You conveniently forget that! Then Parliament voted to abide by the people's decision!

 

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[211]

This forum is full of people who half-know things! Quite staggering, though, on the law of averages, most people here won't be the shiniest apples on the cart. You, sir, are wrong. In fact, the headline was "What is the EU?" is the second top UK question on the EU since the #EURefResults were officially announced. Please, please let us have a mature debate without lies or half-truths just to suit your Anglophobic position. So many people seem irritated that the UK made a democratic decision. The UK can do whatever it likes.

So it's the second instead of first- that shows everyone who voted knew what they were voting for?

As I said in another post, a democratic decision doesn't mean it's always right. As for the UK can do whatever it likes, I assume you don't mean that literally. However, the decisions that have been made, this story is an example, shows they are not to the benefit to the people.

 

[Marshall73]

PayPal just increased transaction fees, expect banks and Credit card companies to follow suit. Brexit is like herpes, it’s the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[ruka.snow]

Where is the logic in making "such an important decision" every 5 to 10 years!! Upheaval every half decade. If you really, really thought about it, you'd know that is supreme silliness. You also forget that both sides of the debate acknowledged that the Brexit debate was one of the most engaged and vigorous, in which broadcasters were widely praised for their objectivity (at least until the vote: after that, they went mad). So, let us not rewrite history. It was a huge democratic exercise in which all points of view were well ventilated. Over 33 million cast their vote within known parameters and most people want to move beyond the Brexit fallout, in which some Remainers simply couldn't, and can't, let go of the reality that long-held euroscepticism in this country reached its logical conclusion.

62% voted to remain in the EU. Let's not rewrite history.

 

[robrandtoul]

Not having to deal with EU Bureaucracy, that means we can actually have a quick covid vaccine rollout while the EU dithers.

You realise we were still in the EU when we procured our vaccines right?

 

[ashdelacroix]

Scotland and England rolled out vaccines while still under the EU. Nothing was prevented and the same 10,000 people would have died. Earlier lockdowns would have prevented deaths and idiots not coming up to Scotland for a bloody holiday during a pandemic would have reduced that number.

The British decided very much not to join the EU vaccination program, and thank goodness they didn't! This enable the UK to get far ahead. As to whether, like Israel, there is a first-mover disadvantage, that may be likely, but no one can doubt the extraordinary pace of the British vaccine and the British roll-out.

 

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Funny how those who supported the UK staying in the EU conveniently don't mention that there would have been many more deaths from Covid had we stayed in. The UK would have rolled out Covid vaccinations along with the EMA (European Medicines Agency) and people would have died because of the slow roll-out. What we did as a self-governing, somewhat maverick nation, was took risks and placed orders even before the vaccines had been developed. There's no point arguing that we wouldn't have had to join in the EMA vaccination programme - I believe we would have as one of the most compliant nations in the EU when we were a member. Currently, less than a year after Brexit, there are issues, teething troubles, as we all expected, but IMO we will reap the benefits of Brexit in years to come. I love Europe but I hate the EU as an administrative entity. I care more about lives than a few temporary supply issues or free roaming.

You are not correct:

FactCheck: Brexit did not speed up UK vaccine authorisation

In fact, the UK regulator used EU law to authorise the jab.

www.channel4.com

 

[ashdelacroix]

You realise we were still in the EU when we procured our vaccines right?

We didn't elect to join the EU vaccination program.

 

[Chopper3]

Can you tell us what benefits we had over 50 years? We managed before joining, and struggled ever since. We did get straight cucumbers. Remember the wine mountain, milk mountain, butter mountain, olive oil mountain? Mass production of produce no one wanted, until the Germans told France to stop their nonsense as it was bankrupting the EU. Lived through 7 secession since joining the EU. Can't the EU run anything properly? They are a glorified council. And look how all councils perform. Glad we left, the future is bright and not tied down, with dictators, unelected overpaid civil servants, wokie snowflakes who lack any skills, who lack any competency, they really couldn't run a bath. Just look how they handled the COVID crisis. This is how they have run the EU for 50 years.

In the history of civilisation Europe has been at war almost constantly - except for since the creation of the EU - the single idea of the EU was to make it economically stupid to go to war with each other - it worked and had a secondary benefit of allowing EU members to work more closely together again to benefit the overall economy.

When you say we managed, well we had an empire built on terrorism and murder all over the world, as that crumbled and we entered WW2 we needed to pay the US to keep us from being over-run by the Nazis, a debt only recently finally paid off.

Is the EU ran perfectly - not at all, no large organisation is, it's certainly not ran any worse than our current government - there's more oversight and transparency, less rampant cronyism, and decisions generally made based on the populations as a whole rather than the interests of political donators and influencers.

You say we're not tied down by dictators but what EU rules were ever dictated to us that we had no input into? Who are these 'wokie snowflakes with no skills'? Can you name one please?

Our children see how you and others like you have been led by the newspapers (which are you Daily Mail or Express?) and will overturn your idiotic ill-researched jingoist knee-jerk and xenophobic decision, I give it 10-15 years max.

 

[TGM85]

and our blue passports!

Which are made… in the EU

 

[211]

The British decided very much not to join the EU vaccination program, and thank goodness they didn't! This enable the UK to get far ahead. As to whether, like Israel, there is a first-mover disadvantage, that may be likely, but no one can doubt the extraordinary pace of the British vaccine and the British roll-out.

This could have been done still being a member of the EU:

FactCheck: Brexit did not speed up UK vaccine authorisation

In fact, the UK regulator used EU law to authorise the jab.

www.channel4.com

 

[ruka.snow]

The British decided very much not to join the EU vaccination program, and thank goodness they didn't! This enable the UK to get far ahead. As to whether, like Israel, there is a first-mover disadvantage, that may be likely, but no one can doubt the extraordinary pace of the British vaccine and the British roll-out.

We were in the EU at the time and frankly we should have joined the EU vaccination program. Better working together on these matters. Frick, even Scotland and England can work together on these things. So why not work together with our other neighbours and allies? It is a global pandemic, you can't vaccinate one little island and call it a day. We already had the new variant from England and India spreading everywhere. If our lack of co-operation will do anything, it'll let some new variant cook up in the USA, EU, or England again and start this whole mess up all over again.

 

[robrandtoul]

We didn't elect to join the EU vaccination program.

Correct. We decided to not join the EU program even whilst still in the EU, proving that being outside the EU was not a pre-requisite of running our own vaccination program. You'd have us believe we had to be outside to the EU to make such a decision (ie take back control). But we made our decision in June 2020 and left the EU in December 2020.

 

[IllinoisCorn]

I love how some Brits call it "Free" and pronounce all their TH sounds as F's.

 

[creepyTowel]

Can anyone tell me any actual benefit that we (the UK) has from leaving the EU? Because I am struggling to see any.

Blue passports

 

[chat2ian]

Wow, lots of people willing to give up their independence for £2 a day.

 

[ian87w]

The big deal is that we didn't have to do this before, now we do. As for healthy competition, this hasn't happened since roaming started, why would they do it now? If companies can make more money, they will and reintroducing roaming charges is evidence of that. EE (or whoever started it) decided to reintroduce, now the rest are doing it. Competition would have been for a network not to reintroduce it.

But they are not operating in a vacuum. There are local operators, international roaming mobile hotspots, and also international SIMs offering universal roaming SIMs, which made easy by eSIM. As a consumer, you have plenty of options. Why would you be whining about the carriers and still give them more money? Everybody else in the world have no issues using local SIMs when traveling.