Not having to deal with EU Bureaucracy, that means we can actually have a quick covid vaccine rollout while the EU dithers.
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Not having to deal with EU Bureaucracy, that means we can actually have a quick covid vaccine rollout while the EU dithers.
Nope, the EU didn't slow Scotland down one bit. England on the other hand, well you voted in incompetent people so you get incompetent results, but even then the EU didn't slow down the vaccine rollout given that we were still bound by EU laws until Jan 1st of this year.
Funny how those who supported the UK staying in the EU conveniently don't mention that there would have been many more deaths from Covid had we stayed in. The UK would have rolled out Covid vaccinations along with the EMA (European Medicines Agency) and people would have died because of the slow roll-out. What we did as a self-governing, somewhat maverick nation, was took risks and placed orders even before the vaccines had been developed. There's no point arguing that we wouldn't have had to join in the EMA vaccination programme - I believe we would have as one of the most compliant nations in the EU when we were a member. Currently, less than a year after Brexit, there are issues, teething troubles, as we all expected, but IMO we will reap the benefits of Brexit in years to come. I love Europe but I hate the EU as an administrative entity. I care more about lives than a few temporary supply issues or free roaming.
Where is the logic in making "such an important decision" every 5 to 10 years!! Upheaval every half decade. If you really, really thought about it, you'd know that is supreme silliness. You also forget that both sides of the debate acknowledged that the Brexit debate was one of the most engaged and vigorous, in which broadcasters were widely praised for their objectivity (at least until the vote: after that, they went mad). So, let us not rewrite history. It was a huge democratic exercise in which all points of view were well ventilated. Over 33 million cast their vote within known parameters and most people want to move beyond the Brexit fallout, in which some Remainers simply couldn't, and can't, let go of the reality that long-held euroscepticism in this country reached its logical conclusion.
Lebara will probably benefit from the tech savvy travellers. £2 a day is actually quite reasonable, compared to a hassle of finding a SIM, etc. If you don’t have a roaming covering Switzerland (which is outside of the EU), for example, your French operator can easily charge you around 3-5€ per MB! This is a totally different level of greed. 😬
Scotland and England rolled out vaccines while still under the EU. Nothing was prevented and the same 10,000 people would have died. Earlier lockdowns would have prevented deaths and idiots not coming up to Scotland for a bloody holiday during a pandemic would have reduced that number.
It was advisory, which the government ignored. As for unquestionable...
Brexit 'Vote Leave' campaign fined and referred to police – DW – 07/26/2019
The UK's Electoral Commission said the Vote Leave Brexit campaign resisted its investigation and refused to cooperate. Some of those involved in Vote Leave have joined Boris Johnson's government.www.dw.com
It was advisory? I don't know whether you were engaged with the campaign or whether you voted or even whether you are British or not, but the whole vote was advisory with a commitment by the then government to honour the vote. You conveniently forget that! Then Parliament voted to abide by the people's decision!
So it's the second instead of first- that shows everyone who voted knew what they were voting for?
As I said in another post, a democratic decision doesn't mean it's always right. As for the UK can do whatever it likes, I assume you don't mean that literally. However, the decisions that have been made, this story is an example, shows they are not to the benefit to the people.
PayPal just increased transaction fees, expect banks and Credit card companies to follow suit. Brexit is like herpes, it’s the gift that keeps on giving.
62% voted to remain in the EU. Let's not rewrite history.
You realise we were still in the EU when we procured our vaccines right?
The British decided very much not to join the EU vaccination program, and thank goodness they didn't! This enable the UK to get far ahead. As to whether, like Israel, there is a first-mover disadvantage, that may be likely, but no one can doubt the extraordinary pace of the British vaccine and the British roll-out.
You are not correct:
FactCheck: Brexit did not speed up UK vaccine authorisation
In fact, the UK regulator used EU law to authorise the jab.
www.channel4.com
In the history of civilisation Europe has been at war almost constantly - except for since the creation of the EU - the single idea of the EU was to make it economically stupid to go to war with each other - it worked and had a secondary benefit of allowing EU members to work more closely together again to benefit the overall economy.
When you say we managed, well we had an empire built on terrorism and murder all over the world, as that crumbled and we entered WW2 we needed to pay the US to keep us from being over-run by the Nazis, a debt only recently finally paid off.
Is the EU ran perfectly - not at all, no large organisation is, it's certainly not ran any worse than our current government - there's more oversight and transparency, less rampant cronyism, and decisions generally made based on the populations as a whole rather than the interests of political donators and influencers.
You say we're not tied down by dictators but what EU rules were ever dictated to us that we had no input into? Who are these 'wokie snowflakes with no skills'? Can you name one please?
Our children see how you and others like you have been led by the newspapers (which are you Daily Mail or Express?) and will overturn your idiotic ill-researched jingoist knee-jerk and xenophobic decision, I give it 10-15 years max.
This could have been done still being a member of the EU:
FactCheck: Brexit did not speed up UK vaccine authorisation
In fact, the UK regulator used EU law to authorise the jab.
www.channel4.com
We were in the EU at the time and frankly we should have joined the EU vaccination program. Better working together on these matters. Frick, even Scotland and England can work together on these things. So why not work together with our other neighbours and allies? It is a global pandemic, you can't vaccinate one little island and call it a day. We already had the new variant from England and India spreading everywhere. If our lack of co-operation will do anything, it'll let some new variant cook up in the USA, EU, or England again and start this whole mess up all over again.
Correct. We decided to not join the EU program even whilst still in the EU, proving that being outside the EU was not a pre-requisite of running our own vaccination program. You'd have us believe we had to be outside to the EU to make such a decision (ie take back control). But we made our decision in June 2020 and left the EU in December 2020.
I love how some Brits call it "Free" and pronounce all their TH sounds as F's.
Wow, lots of people willing to give up their independence for £2 a day.
But they are not operating in a vacuum. There are local operators, international roaming mobile hotspots, and also international SIMs offering universal roaming SIMs, which made easy by eSIM. As a consumer, you have plenty of options. Why would you be whining about the carriers and still give them more money? Everybody else in the world have no issues using local SIMs when traveling.