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I said we get nothing from England, that isn't a debate. England no longer serves any purpose. Yes we were starting to get on in the EU and rebuild relations... voting to leave that union has destroyed decades of progress.
Where do you think the money comes from that goes to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in excess of the tax those nations pay? Think air? It comes from English tax payers. I am afraid I've had quite enough of your dim nonsense.
 
Ethnic cleansing? [...] The idea of ethnic cleansing is so utterly abhorrent […]

It is utterly abhorrent. I’m glad we agree.

The Ulster Plantation is a textbook case of ethnic cleansing according to the definitions given by the UN, and also in the relevant articles in Wikipedia and Britannica.
 
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Yes but neither do you! Besides, it would have been political suicide to have signed up to the EU programme despite Brexit. Without Brexit, it is unthinkable that we would not have signed up to an EU-wide program.
Yes, I don't know either. That's why I haven't said it was advantageous or disadvantageous to be part of the EU program. The UK chose not to, fine, but I don't credit Brexit for that decision. Every country in the EU has the decision to be with the EU program or not. A lot chose to for whatever reason, but it was their decision.
 
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62% of the population voted to remain and where ignored. Stop trying to make your bad idea seem like a good one. Just admit you goofed up and start working with your fellow countrymen to mend the fences and rejoin the EU so we can get back on track.
It was a UK-wide vote, not a Scottish vote. Playing with fighters, slicing and dicing them, does not take away from the referendum as it was. Funnily enough, remainers didn't question the complexion of the vote until they lost!
 
It is utterly abhorrent. I’m glad we agree.

The Ulster Plantation is a textbook case of ethnic cleansing according to the definitions given by the UN, and also in the relevant articles in Wikipedia and Britannica.
That's an anachronism, but the idea that the UK is ethnically cleansing Ireland as we speak is bizarre. I cannot fathom your mentality.
 
Where do you think the money comes from that goes to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in excess of the tax those nations pay? Think air? It comes from English tax payers. I am afraid I've had quite enough of your dim nonsense.
You do know that Scotland funds England? Why on earth do you think it was so important for us to remain? It has always been about England not looking as small as it is and trying to have a better world position. I get absolutely nothing from English tax payers, nor does anyone living in Scotland. We pay our taxes and some of that makes it back while the rest makes London a little bit bigger because putting all your eggs in one basket is a sound strategy.
 
Yes, I don't know either. That's why I haven't said it was advantageous or disadvantageous to be part of the EU program. The UK chose not to, fine, but I don't credit Brexit for that decision. Every country in the EU has the decision to be with the EU program or not. A lot chose to for whatever reason, but it was their decision.
Silly. Of course it was disadvantageous to join the EU program. That caused a massive continental crisis and embarrassment for months after the UK and USA started their own programs.
 
62% of the population voted to remain and where ignored. Stop trying to make your bad idea seem like a good one. Just admit you goofed up and start working with your fellow countrymen to mend the fences and rejoin the EU so we can get back on track.

but a majority of the voters voted no to leave the UK which makes that 62% and irrelevant figure. You can’t have your cake and eat it.
 
It was a UK-wide vote, not a Scottish vote. Playing with fighters, slicing and dicing them, does not take away from the referendum as it was. Funnily enough, remainers didn't question the complexion of the vote until they lost!
The only vote that matters is the Scottish vote. If you want us to keep funding you, you need to play the game.
 
You are confusing a rather selfish and solipsistic sense of independence, which only affects you, with the freedom FOR THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY to make more of our own laws on a national level, now and long into the future.
Meanwhile what percentage of the total vote did the Tories win in the last general election? Less than half (43.6%). And yet they hold an 80 seat advantage in Parliament and are free to inflict their will upon the rest of us (the majority) at will.

I firmly believe that the EU had the best interests of our people far closer to their hearts than this current UK government who we seem to be stuck with indefinitely. Brexit was a long term Tory project for a reason, and not for your benefit.
 
that makes no sense, you’re clearly just talking gibberish.
If you concede you voted remain the first time the second one is an irrelevancy.
We voted to remain both times, I am unsure why this is hard for you to understand. We voted to remain in the UK and EU then a second time we voted to remain in the EU. We are no longer in the EU however because a majority for remain wasn't enough.
 
As a European it makes me so glad the UK is finally out. Someone who doesn't want to be a member and does nothing productive besides spewing hate frankly should have never joined.

Coming now and bitching about not getting EU benefits anymore (European groceries, easy import/exports, retirement home in Spain, free roaming) is something they should have maybe thought of before deciding to leave. You made your bed, now sleep in it.

Good riddance.
 
You do know that Scotland funds England? Why on earth do you think it was so important for us to remain? It has always been about England not looking as small as it is and trying to have a better world position. I get absolutely nothing from English tax payers, nor does anyone living in Scotland. We pay our taxes and some of that makes it back while the rest makes London a little bit bigger because putting all your eggs in one basket is a sound strategy.
The Scottish government disagrees. You are quite mad! I know that is an ad hominem attack, but my goodness what are you drinking? How can a population of 5.5 million, in Scotland, "fund" England, with a population of 56 million? I fear you are just trolling now. GERS confirms that Scots get more back in spending than they pay in taxation. Per capita government spending is £9,296 in England, but £11,242 in Scotland. I really don't know where you get your ideas from. Presumably nationalist Twitter.
 
As a European it makes me so glad the UK is finally out. Someone who doesn't want to be a member and does nothing productive besides spewing hate frankly should have never joined.

Coming now and bitching about not getting EU benefits anymore (European groceries, easy import/exports, retirement home in Spain, free roaming) is something they should have maybe thought of before deciding to leave. You made your bed, now sleep in it.

Good riddance.
It's not the Brexiteers complaining.
 
Meanwhile what percentage of the total vote did the Tories win in the last general election? Less than half (43.6%). And yet they hold an 80 seat advantage in Parliament and are free to inflict their will upon the rest of us (the majority) at will.

I firmly believe that the EU had the best interests of our people far closer to their hearts than this current UK government who we seem to be stuck with indefinitely. Brexit was a long term Tory project for a reason, and not for your benefit.

It’s worth noting even Corbyn was a brexiter for most of his political career, until it actually mattered and then he just dithered to try and save some face with his party.
 
GB approved the vaccines under EU law (their still being in the EU at the time). So, no.
Because of Brexit. Had we voted to stay in I have no doubt we would have joined the EU vaccine roll-out programme. Of course we had to obey EU law while we were members, but knowing we were leaving imparted a completely different mindset of UK officials. A YES vote would have been seen as a mandate to join in with EU initiatives like the EMA. It would have been very odd after a YES vote for our government to go it alone, contrary the the majority of EU member states. Which EU member states did go it alone?
 
I am Swiss. I am not in the EU. Yet, strangely, my mobile plan doesn't have any roaming charges whatsoever, and so do many many other Swiss carrier plans. So, I am unsure if it is a "Brexit thing". Because, as said, we are not in the EU either (and never have been and, from the looks of it here, we will probably not be for many years to come)
 
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