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USA still has the death sentence. I'd be very careful with comparisons.

To be fair those are rarely given these days with the implications of morality being thrown into play as well as other developed countries perception on it and whatnot
 
I find this judgement particularly interesting. I have a client that manufactures parts in China. About 6 or 7 years ago, a few of the employees that worked for the manufacturing plant left and began selling their own parts based on my clients designs/IP. My client spent 5 years and hundreds of thousands of dollars on a lawsuit. They had to sue them here in the US because the Chinese judicial system would not recognize that anything was done wrong. I guess a)Apple's deep pockets caused this to happen and/or b)China is starting to realize that IP is worth something.
 
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Completely agree. It's time for Apple to "Think Different". How about manufacturing in the Western Hemisphere?
 
I'm surprised so many people consider this a particularly harsh punishment.

It really doesn't sound bad to me at all. They broke the rules, they deserve to be punished, end of story.

WOW.

If you think eighteen months in prison AND a fine that is ridiculously high when compared with the average Chinese income is proportionate to the crime of leaking pictures. What do you think should happen to burglars and car jackers?
 
The head of Foxcom has spoken about why he has no US plants. He sees the problem as law suits. It's too unpredictable to run factories in the US. You can have a few good years, make a bunch of money, then have turn around and be sued out of more then everything you have.

That attitude doesn't surprise me in the very least. I work nights and sometimes watch daytime tv. The lawyer personal injury lawyer commercials flood the airwaves.
 
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Completely agree. It's time for Apple to "Think Different". How about manufacturing in the Western Hemisphere?
You mean something like American cars?

Who would bail Apple out? The US Government (Tax Payer), or Fiat?
 
Wow, this is such ********. This is so far away from a proportionate response that it's not even funny.

While it is yet to be known how much input Apple had in this outcome, if it transpires that they pushed for a prosecution knowing this could be on the cards then I'd lose just about any respect I ever had for them as a company.

I highly doubt Apple had any involvement. It's Chinese law you're dealing with and their rules. Foxcon probably takes their NDA's very seriously. You can't blame them... if they were known for product leaks, they would loose Apple and many other customers.
 
Agree completely. I too have brought this up in the past and usually get flamed for it. Add an option on the BTO page for this "other" version and I'll gladly pay $50 more or whatever the amount is (within reason of course).

It wouldn't be as low as $50, not on something like an iPhone/iPad. The big problem is mass production.

If, say, at least a third of your users would pay an extra $50 then it would make sense; you could have a big enough, efficient enough factory that the extra labor costs might not be so bad.

The problem is that nowhere near a third of people are going to pay the extra $50. Maybe 10% would pay $50, and at that point the extra production facility is too small, and less efficient. So for 10% of your users, maybe instead of costing an extra $50, it's an extra $100.

But those 10% aren't all willing to pay $100... so you'd need a still-smaller factory, and the cost would be still worse. Eventually you're talking about a scenario where a few hundred users would need to be willing to pay $100,000 each to make it work out.
 
I have always wished companies would offer two versions. A cheap version to be competetive and a socially conscious green version. Some customers would pay more for a product that was environmentally friendly and socially aware.

Sadly, you would need two versions as some comptitor would just make it in the third world and undersell you.

But Apple has the cachet to pull this off and create some needed jobs and pay in needed areas.

Great idea
 
I can hear it now..

Police: "Who paid you money for the design details?"
"Yes."
Police: "Who paid you??"
"Yes, that's what I'm saying."
Police: "Did anyone else pay you"
"You."
Police: "Me?"
"Yes, he paid too."
.....
 
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Completely agree. It's time for Apple to "Think Different". How about manufacturing in the Western Hemisphere?

People do realize that you can go to jail here too if you're caught in industrial theft?

Why do you think this is just a China thing? Go ahead... sell some company secrets and see what happens when you get caught. :rolleyes:
 
That would be a quick way to kill the company. The number of people who will buy based upon the company's principles is far outweighed by those who only look at the price. There have been ample opportunities for people to demonstrate the opposite but it hasn't come true. Whether it's textiles, the Walmart effect, or electronics people want to pay as little as possible.

Ever heard of whole foods? They are decidedly far more expensive than your typical grocery store, yet there is a market for them and they seem to be doing rather well. Why?
 
I never understood why China are among the last to have apple products released even though they manufacture everything.
 
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Completely agree. It's time for Apple to "Think Different". How about manufacturing in the Western Hemisphere?

Are you ready to pay more? Think Different, right?
 
Ever heard of whole foods? They are decidedly far more expensive than your typical grocery store, yet there is a market for them and they seem to be doing rather well. Why?

Because Whole Foods is where single people go on Friday nights to pickup some arugala and a friend for the evening.

If you're not into finding alcohol-fueled pickups, Whole Foods is the best thing going.

"I'll go ask the cutie looking at peppers if he can tell me the difference between serrano and habaneros - he's hot, I'll ask about hot peppers!"
 
The head of Foxcom has spoken about why he has no US plants. He sees the problem as law suits. It's too unpredictable to run factories in the US. You can have a few good years, make a bunch of money, then have turn around and be sued out of more then everything you have.

Honestly I think that's an excuse as I'm sure he knows his profit margins would be lower... but if that's what he said, that's what he said.
 
I highly doubt Apple had any involvement. It's Chinese law you're dealing with and their rules. Foxcon probably takes their NDA's very seriously. You can't blame them... if they were known for product leaks, they would loose Apple and many other customers.

I see at least someone here is thinking straight.
 
Maybe the penalties (prison) are too stiff, but these people knowingly broke the law, and were directly profiting from it. That amounts to theft and releasing early specs on products can have huge implications of billions of dollars for investors and competitors. Sorry, I'm not going to feel too bad for them. You don't want trouble? Here's an idea: honor the contracts you signed and DON'T BREAK THE LAW. It's not that difficult.
 
It is still amazing that government sponsored killing of civilians can be legal. Anyway, before anybody in the USA points the fingers at the jurisdictional of other countries, they should have a close look at their own system, which is partially stuck in a cruel wild west past.

Do you have an examples of this? Keep in mind with the death penalty very few are executed and these people are typically on death row for 10's of years before it happens... so an argument of swiftly executing people and not having proper representation IMO is not a very good argument as those executed have had several defenders before the time comes. I for one believe in the dealth penalty, but only under the very MOST extreme crimes, such as serial killers and such.
 
I have always wished companies would offer two versions. A cheap version to be competetive and a socially conscious green version. Some customers would pay more for a product that was environmentally friendly and socially aware.

Sadly, you would need two versions as some comptitor would just make it in the third world and undersell you.

But Apple has the cachet to pull this off and create some needed jobs and pay in needed areas.

Your heart is bleeding all over the floor. Wipe it up please.
 
The USA is made up of 50 largely independent states (some of which are as big as other countries) and each of which has its own laws about the death sentence including some that have banned its use. I'd be very careful using a broad brush on a country as big and diverse as the US.

The US as a country still has the death penalty for federal offenses. Timothy McVeigh was executed under federal jurisdiction.
 
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