Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
The US as a country still has the death penalty for federal offenses. Timothy McVeigh was executed under federal jurisdiction.

Do you not believe his crime was serious enough to be executed? Is there rehabilitating someone like this?
 
Oh dear, Americans spouting opinions on China's social policies... can't end well.

My opinion on this - having lived in China for over 10 years - is that China has little choice but set harsh punishments for these crimes. In addition they need to set an example in these cases, otherwise the problems will quickly grow and become endemic.

Would the people there be better off if Apple had to close their factories because the competition just kept getting all their moves in advance? What would all those others do? Back to hard labour at the rice farms?

18 months isn't even that harsh for China's standards compared, for example, to those they catch making fake DVDs or Louis Vuitton handbags.
 
I wish the states would implement harsher laws here as well. Strict laws is how a country can control 1.3 billion people. We have 0.3 billion people and our homicide rate is higher; esp. bad where I live (Houston), not uncommon to have homicides daily.
 
Wow, this is such ********. This is so far away from a proportionate response that it's not even funny.

You get sent to prison if you get caught downloading a couple of songs or movies. How is that different? Leaking trade secrets?
 
Yes, that is just so harsh for those employees. Harsh, harsh punishment. Apple should really think about moving production to a country that respects human rights. They just should consider it. They really need to think about it.

Oh! Where's my iPhone? I gotta get going over to the Apple store to have their geniuses look at the headphone jack. It's not working. I better bring my iPad along in case my iPhone quits working. Now, where did I put my iPad? Oh yeah, it's on the desk next to my Macbook. I'm just forgetful! I'll have my wife call me from her iPhone next time I lose something.

Over and out! :)
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8G4 Safari/6533.18.5)

Completely agree. It's time for Apple to "Think Different". How about manufacturing in the Western Hemisphere?

That isn't the question. The question is, are you (or any consumers) willing to put your money where your mouth is, and refuse to buy Apple products until that time? It's a serious question that needs a serious discussion.
 
This is a multi-billion dollar industry, with trade secrets that can worth hundreds of millions or more.

Do you think stealing trade secret is ok?

Do you think it's like stealing a CD?

It's not a criminal offense in the United States. You would not go to jail here for doing this. You might get fired, you might be completely unpalatable to other employers, you might be sued, your career might be finished. But you would not go to jail for divulging trade secrets.
 
That isn't the question. The question is, are you (or any consumers) willing to put your money where your mouth is, and refuse to buy Apple products until that time? It's a serious question that needs a serious discussion.

Be sure not to buy HP, Samsung, Toshiba, Sony, etc... etc... either most of the parts or the whole thing comes from their too.

If you want to make a difference in this area... go complain to your congressmen about needing more incentives for manufacturing here in the good old US.

But as it goes... China and Taiwan are your two big places for electronics to come from.
 
I wonder how much Big Brother Apple had to do with this?
Would not put it past them to have asked for stern punishment to protect their silly little secrets.
 
They're sending leakers to prison? Looks like Apple has really buckled down on leaks, at this rate we might not know what the iPhone 5 looks like!
 
Be sure not to buy HP, Samsung, Toshiba, Sony, etc... etc... either most of the parts or the whole thing comes from their too.

If you want to make a difference in this area... go complain to your congressmen about needing more incentives for manufacturing here in the good old US.

But as it goes... China and Taiwan are your two big places for electronics to come from.

I agree with you. Western countries don't produce a lot of consumer electronics.
 
Last edited:
The USA is made up of 50 largely independent states (some of which are as big as other countries) and each of which has its own laws about the death sentence including some that have banned its use. I'd be very careful using a broad brush on a country as big and diverse as the US.

I could have sworn the USA was made up of united states but perhaps they've changed the name recently. :p
 
Probably 0%!

For goodness sake.

But not because they wouldn't want to. More likely that they don't need to. I'm sure China enforces these brutal policies of their own accord. The last thing they need is for American electronics companies getting it in their heads that higher-quality slave labour exists elsewhere in the world.
 
I agree with you. Western countries don't produce a lot of consumer electronics. Slave labour is needed to make it so you can buy an iPhone for $200 or whatever.

Hardly slave labor. Their labor practices and culture is different than ours, but, you do realize, the Chinese people line up to work there. It's considered one of the best places to work.

I'm not saying that I'm for some of their practices... and there are places that run sweat shops... but they are becoming more rare. Most US retailers (even Walmart) require certain standards are met and do not condone sweatshop practices.

Just because culturally they are willing to work more hours for less pay does not make them slaves.
 
The mark up on apple's products especially is atrocious, i'm sure they could retail the current stuff for a similar price had they been made in the US or whatever.
 
But not because they wouldn't want to. More likely that they don't need to. I'm sure China enforces these brutal policies of their own accord. The last thing they need is for American electronics companies getting it in their heads that higher-quality slave labour exists elsewhere in the world.

I'm sure Apple didn't want to. It's not their fight.

I think you might watch too many movies. Not saying everywhere is perfect or humane or that every company is above board... but it's becoming more and more the case. Again... most US companies don't and won't support sweatshop labor.

But... go by your wife or girl friend a fake Gucci purse... that is almost guaranteed to have come from a sweat shop somewhere in the world.
 
Hardly slave labor. Their labor practices and culture is different than ours, but, you do realize, the Chinese people line up to work there. It's considered one of the best places to work.

I'm not saying that I'm for some of their practices... and there are places that run sweat shops... but they are becoming more rare. Most US retailers (even Walmart) require certain standards are met and do not condone sweatshop practices.

Just because culturally they are willing to work more hours for less pay does not make them slaves.

Lots of conjecture here.

Bottom line: Apple and others produce their products in China because it is dirt cheap. Period.
 
It's not a criminal offense in the United States. You would not go to jail here for doing this. You might get fired, you might be completely unpalatable to other employers, you might be sued, your career might be finished. But you would not go to jail for divulging trade secrets.

Since when? What about U.S. v. Aleynikov?
 
Anyone who does or says anything that Uncle Steve doesn't like should be imprisoned or executed.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.