Remember the iPhone 4 “death grip” and “just don’t hold it that way”?
Apple has a history here.
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Throttling in New i9 MacBook Pros Appears to be Due to Power Delivery Chip
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Remember the iPhone 4 “death grip” and “just don’t hold it that way”?
Apple has a history here.
Between the keyboard problems, thermal issues, and dongle hell, I think this generation of MacBook Pro will live in infamy alongside the "trash can" Mac Pro.
Yup I had one! - They did address that issue's severity then too though (with software)!
The keyboard was technically fixed with a condom, and I think users by and large have accepted the need for dongles and adaptors (or at least, it’s not a new issue). But yeah, now that you mention it, this problem sounds like the whole Mac Pro debacle again, with Apple apparently having designed their laptop into a corner.
The safest bet here just might be a 13” MBP with an E-GPU configuration?
This kind of logic is totally insane and would not be an option for Apple or any company.
Wrong. Other manufacturers would add 2mm of additional tickness to accommodate larger fan and would not hesitate to have the machine running loud if necessary in order to keep all components cool and functioning on top of their technical performance limitations and even us this additional space to put a GTX 1070 in this chassis to achieve the graphical performance you will expected from 3,000$ laptop. I have always defended Apple but common, you get a brand new macbook out of the box and it cant even reach its base clock speed? I honestly believe that Apple should get this laptop lineup back into the lab and start from scratch.
I’m curious how many people are actually in so-called dongle hell. Seems to me the internet (especially tech and rumor sites) are not representative of the buying public at large. Also the internet amplifies negativity; if someone is happy with the product they bought they usually don’t write about it. But when someone is not happy it’s all over message boards, social media etc.
Apple's superior design abilities don't appear to be present here then....
You honestly think a company that large shipped a product without ever testing it? Yeahhhhhh.
Why's that since everything he said was right, shouldn't a company like Apple do rigorous testing before shipping any new product?
If they did test it and they shipped it with the throttling issues anyway then it shows they don't care about quality anymore.
You feel wrong. Who designed the board without complying with the correct specifications needed for that processor, using a voltage regulator design that is clearly insufficient for it, thus overheating? Apple.
Who added additional thickness to accommodate this (besides maybe gaming laptops). Doesn’t the XPS have similar issues?
It's funny you think you understand all the facts and the case has been solved. No one knows anything other than there is an issue that will likely be fixed with a software update.
That's the parallel that I'm seeing. Different product, but crippled by the same design philosophy.
I hope the keyboard is fixed, but it will be a while before we know for sure.
And the utopian fan boy club still say nothing is wrong when a legit engineering issue comes up.
Modern society it appears would rather place appeal over the engineer. I guess it’s the same as celebrity over scientist.
Modern society it appears would rather place appeal over the engineer. I guess it’s the same as celebrity over scientist.
I don't understand how anyone could think this is anyone but Apple's fault... Intel sells the same chips to everyone - in volumes that make sales to Apple look like a rounding error. If there was a problem with the chips, that would be the story because EVERYONE would be screaming. Intel share prices would take a beating, etc.
Even if Apple made their own chips, the same thing could happen. This comes from somebody either not bothering to test, or the tests not being aligned to actual use... Or maybe the test unit being different from what was actually manufactured at the factory in China, in which case it's a quality control failure.
Nobody buys an i9 to just surf the web and leave it idle most of the time.
Even if Apple made their own chips, the same thing could happen. This comes from somebody either not bothering to test, or the tests not being aligned to actual use... Or maybe the test unit being different from what was actually manufactured at the factory in China, in which case it's a quality control failure.
Nobody buys an i9 to just surf the web and leave it idle most of the time.
The "dongle hell" (peripherals issue) is hardly new... about to turn 20 years old:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3
Wouldn't it be cool, if one day, Apple just made one OS, and if you own an iPhone, you plug it into a KVM dock, and you have a desktop OS...and on the go, a mobile OS?
i think all these 'tests' we keep seeing are completely ignoring the power users / content makers.
all of these tests show someone pushing a button one time.. then talking.. as if that's the workflow of a pro.
how do these computers perform during actual work?
How do you know it's going to be fixed? Apple still hasn't pronounced anything about this situation as always, unless they take a lawsuit... again.
Intel misrepresents the power draw on the chips, and end users can and will fall for that. But engineers see through that immediately. Even just from basic rumours about the chips, it was clear to anyone that that's potentially going to cause issues with the MBP line. One would assume that Apple has solid advance information about next gen chips quite a long time before consumers do. They would have samples in advance of release. They would have access to Intel engineers if they need to ask things like, "hey, what's actually the real power draw of this chip"? So Apple would be able to fairly accurately predict the effect of these chips on the power delivery system, and would be able to do so early enough in the refresh cycle to do something about it.
Apple's problem is more of a design decision. They have decided to make the laptop thin and light, and therefore having a low cap for how much heat it can dissipate. They have also decided to limit the amount of power they can send into the laptop by removing magsafe and going with the TB3 power limit. And then Intel delivers a chip that operates outside of that power and thermal envelope. Sure, Intel has a part in it, but the design decisions are certainly on Apple.
Do we know how many people who have one of these machines are experiencing this issues in their day to day use of this machine? It doesn’t seem any reviews from tech sites have gone up yet so all we have are the histrionics around throttling. Clearly it’s an issue but do we know how many people are being/will be impacted by it?