It's all these hidden things that upset customers, and rightfully so. Much like the iPhone 7's different modems, iPhone 6s's A9 chips, etc.
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Thunderbolt 3 Ports on Right Side of 13-Inch MacBook Pro Have Reduced PCI Express Bandwidth
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I've had every iBook and Macbook since 2005, and this is the first one I won't be upgrading to based on the rapacious pricing, and miniscule update (slower processor in the base model, and less battery life).
Nothing about this device is "pro."
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Just when I thought all the negative news has been covered, it keeps pouring in
The limitation on charging through the Digital AV Multiport adaptor seems really silly at this point. It honestly tells me they didn't update their dongles to fully support the new MBP systems. In addition to that issue, the Multimedia adapters HDMI port doesn't support 60hz video on anything larger than 1080P. The low charging speed, and video limitation really makes it a worthless / inadequate product for the new MBP.
There is so much to like about the new 15" MBP, but honestly may just keep my 2015 15" Radeon equipped MBP for a bit longer. I hope the aftermarket can catch up with more affordable connectivity options. As it stands, I would need to spend over $200 to match the current ports my MBP has, to be able to use my existing drives / monitors / accessories.
There is so much to like about the new 15" MBP, but honestly may just keep my 2015 15" Radeon equipped MBP for a bit longer. I hope the aftermarket can catch up with more affordable connectivity options. As it stands, I would need to spend over $200 to match the current ports my MBP has, to be able to use my existing drives / monitors / accessories.
The 15" has all 4 at full speed according to this article.
There are certainly pluses and minuses--for me included. But so many of things people are saying have surpassed parody level. Which is a shame, because Apple could use the feedback--but it just sounds insane half the time.
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Ah - the small print is coming out - and it's not pretty,
Like many of you, I too am upset about this release. I do think this may be strategic marketing though. Due to poor Mac Sales, release a new product they know is overpriced, to dump the previous generation devices to third-party vendors at normal cost, but now seems discounted compared to the current generation. Then in a few months at the next keynote, they're going to say "we listened to you" and drop the price and include a few dongles in the box.
Unfortunately, this new MBP isn't going away anytime soon. Thank god my 2011 15" MBP is still going strong. I'm going to ride this release out.
Unfortunately, this new MBP isn't going away anytime soon. Thank god my 2011 15" MBP is still going strong. I'm going to ride this release out.
Heh, the whining is almost comical at this point. Of course I'll be called a McPologist!
This is nothing new anyway, the previous smaller MacBooks (Airs, etc) had reduced Thunderbolt functionality over the larger pros. The cylinder Mac Pro doesn't have Thunderbolt 2 on all 6 ports, it divides 3 TB buses among them. So, the 13" MacBook Pros probably only have 1 thunderbolt 3 bus instead of 2 on the 15", or some other lesser vs. greater combination (not sure how the TB 3 hardware support works). You should've been complaining about this for years as it's been that way since Thunderbolt was introduced on the smaller devices vs. the larger.
The whining going on is very comical. And one thing I've learned is that people here have very very short memories.
They've screwed everyone this year;
iPhone users don't get a headphone jack.
Apple TV comes with a USB port but you can't connect sh*t to it.
MacBook users get crippled MacBooks.
iMac users get nothing.
Professionals get less than nothing.
Next we're going to find out there's no sd card slot so you won't be able to top up the overpriced storage in an streamlined way.
The most disgusting thing? They used the "Hello." slogan to advertise this crap.
I agree fully on the subject of overall IO. The overall IO Capability exceeds the outgoing model by far.
The only thing I don't like is the "need" for even more adapters now. I could handle buying stuff for TB2 as I still had regular USB and could chain more USB ports of the TB2 ports. Now they have went for absurdly thin, removing standard USB / TB2, requiring that I juggle more dongles to achieve the same connectivity my 2015 model does.
As others have asked of Apple in the other thread, would it have hurt for them to make it slightly thicker, given us some legacy ports, more battery, and perhaps offer a BTO version with 32GB or more RAM?
I don't think death to Apple at this point, but, this update has a few items that have put the brakes on my ordering a new laptop.
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Well this is rather confusing for people who have no idea whether an item is a 15 watt and a 7.5 device. End of the day, why did Apple do this? Was it because of some technical limitations? Why did they not make everything just 15 watts? So so confusing, so unlike Apple. This is what Microsoft would do...
This thing is just chock-full of surprises, isn't it?
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Apple under Cooked is pretty much toast.
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I think the new MBP is far from crap, but I did dislike the fact they used that slogan for this event.
The third time they used "Hello" in history. They should have had a Mac orgy on Thursday. That's what sucked about it. The insane amount of hype.
When was the last time Apple supported legacy connections any longer than they absolutely had to? The new Thunderbolt ports are exactly what everyone has been asking for for 20 years. And we expect Apple, who has dumped SCSI, Serial, Floppy disks, CD drives, 3.5mm audio, etc. all way before their time, to hold back here? Really?
And the good news keeps coming. Even when explained in proper tech terms, just a shame.
Havent looked up exact spec's yet, But likely because the 13" only come with Intel's Dual Core CPU's, not the 4 core, which may have reduced PCI-E lanes.
the 15" has the quad core, so more PCI-E lanes, more bandwidth
Wow, gone are the days where Steve Jobs would take out a jewelers loupe and examine each pixel placement, now they're cutting corners and raising the price. Kind of sad if you think about it.
Is this the Apple, I want to send my limited funds too for a computer?
Is this the Apple, I want to send my limited funds too for a computer?
This has to do with the number of PCI Express lanes provided by the Intel chips. Thunderbolt 3 needs 4 PCI Express lanes for full throughput. The dual-core chips in the 13" MacBook Pro only have 12 lanes, so that can only support two full speed ports (2x4 lanes) and two ports at half speed (2x2 lanes). The quad-core in 15" MacBook Pro supports up to 16 lanes, which gives 4 full speed thunderbolt ports.