You sound like a blind consumer. I think the majority of people are doubting Apple's choices as a company this year. Giving them a free pass every time is not productive. Apple aren't bringing us the future for the sake of tech, they're removing ports for the sake of their big fat bank account. All those lovely overpriced accessories and adapters they can sell you. It's not secret that accessories are where Apple make a large slice of their income.
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Thunderbolt 3 Ports on Right Side of 13-Inch MacBook Pro Have Reduced PCI Express Bandwidth
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You sound like a blind consumer. I think the majority of people are doubting Apple's choices as a company this year. Giving them a free pass every time is not productive. Apple aren't bringing us the future for the sake of tech, they're removing ports for the sake of their big fat bank account. All those lovely overpriced accessories and adapters they can sell you. It's not secret that accessories are where Apple make a large slice of their income.
Eventually iPhones will ship with USB-C cables, but only when USB-C becomes ubiquitous on the PC side. Apple has never waited for the PC side to catch up. They dropped native Ethernet before the PC side. They dropped PCMCIA, and DVD drives as well. Heck they went all in on USB-A before anyone else.
The transition to new ports does create a short-term inconvenience. But Apple has always taken a "rip the Band-Aid off quickly" approach. For someone spending $1500-$4000 another $25 cable isn't going to phase them, particularly when there are third party options. USB-C isn't a flash in the pan. It is the new industry standard.
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Accessories are high margin but Apple's Thunderbolt 2 adapter is actually one of the lowest priced on the market. For other adapters there are plenty of third party options. And in any case they are a one-time cost. USB-C will be around for a long time.
TB3 and USB-C enable universal docking stations for desktop setups. Plus it lets you use any USB-compliant charging cable and power supply provided it supplies sufficient power. There is no more need for proprietary cables for that. If you need a second charger, you can buy one from Google and it would work just fine.
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And then they released last year's MacBook with a single port, which has been popular.
The MacBook Pro has 4 ports that are more powerful than any other port it has ever used.
No thanks.
But, I'd GLADLY sign a petition to get you out of here!
Lol, 25 supporters?? Nice. I guess you found two dozen others to angrily blame your personal gripes on one man.
Sad.
On a side note- you have someone else in mind to replace Tim?? Please do share! I'm sure that you're realistic enough to realize that a newcomer couldn't get the respect & obedience of thousands of Apple employees; particularly those at high levels, that have been there for over a decade. He/she wouldn't be familiar with the culture, the people, the tech, the methods, etc. & would run into MASSIVE interference. That being said: who do you choose?? Phil? Eddy?
Please.
Tim was handpicked by Steve as the best candidate, after eleven years of them working together.
The fact that you believe so strongly that you know what's best for Apple more that the founder did... & feel so adimantly about it that you're willing to publicly call for his forceful removal (boy, THAT would create a comfortable atmosphere; fertile for creativity & not hostile at all!!), tells me all I need to know and more about your presumptive arrogance.
"One cable to rule them all" has been the holy grail the tech world has been seeking for literally decades. Now that it's here, and Apple gives us not 1, but four of these ports that can each convert into anything any user could want and now it's all about Apple's greed? Really?
Dedicated function ports have always been a huge compromise because with few exceptions they perform a single function and take up a lot of space. Not every user needs an HDMI port. Many users will never, ever use a SD card reader. Some people will complain because they don't have Ethernet built-in. Someone else is still complaining because they don't have VGA. Someone else will want 4 USB ports rather than two. Ad infinitum. So any choice of ports that Apple has made in the past has been a big compromise because they could only serve the needs of a portion of users. Yep, you are going to need some new adapters today, but they are going to have a long life, and anyone who has been doing serious, dare I say, 'Pro' work with their laptop has always had a bag of adapters that goes with them. Most of them outdated every few years.
Well, for one, you don't have to get your adaptors from Apple. They can be had from Amazon at under $10, and Apple doesn't get a single cent, because USB-C isn't proprietary to Apple.
Second, adaptors make up a very small slice of Apple's profits. Probably less than 1%. It's hardly a blip on their radar.
Third, it's not that I am giving Apple a free pass, but my experience here at this forums has taught me to not jump on the bandwagon and be so eager to criticise Apple as a knee-jerk reaction to any news. I remember when people were laughing at the Apple Pencil's charging method (where you plug it into the iPad), yet in reality, I found it to be very clever and elegant, and to this day, it's the only way I charge my Apple Pencil. People mocked the Apple battery case, while completely overlooking the clever software integrations and design that went into it. If you dig deep enough, you will find people lambasting the iPod, then the iPhone, and claiming that the iPad was doomed because it didn't run OSX.
If I am skeptical of the claims here, it's primarily because the critics here haven't really done much to build up their credibility, or earn my trust in them. Maybe I am wrong.
The new Apple Macbook notPro, specially designed for people with deep pockets who don't use peripherals.
Happy with the concept of moving to later standards, just not happy moving to something that isn't anywhere near a standard: not even Apple use USB-C except for a charger. Buy a new iPhone without a headphone socket and plug it into a USB-C device. Oh, you can't, unless you buy an adapter...
Have a couple of Thunderbolt displays... Oh, they're now defunct unless you can find someone who sells the USB-C to Thunderbolt adapter...
Want to plug your power supply into a mains socket... Oh, you'll need to buy an adapter (or power lead as we used to call it).
This is a replacement for the Macbook. Most definitely NOT a replacement for the Macbook Pro, which people *use* for work, not posing.
I'm so hoping that Apple get a bloody nose for this cunning stunt. Pure greed and hubris.
Happy with the concept of moving to later standards, just not happy moving to something that isn't anywhere near a standard: not even Apple use USB-C except for a charger. Buy a new iPhone without a headphone socket and plug it into a USB-C device. Oh, you can't, unless you buy an adapter...
Have a couple of Thunderbolt displays... Oh, they're now defunct unless you can find someone who sells the USB-C to Thunderbolt adapter...
Want to plug your power supply into a mains socket... Oh, you'll need to buy an adapter (or power lead as we used to call it).
This is a replacement for the Macbook. Most definitely NOT a replacement for the Macbook Pro, which people *use* for work, not posing.
I'm so hoping that Apple get a bloody nose for this cunning stunt. Pure greed and hubris.
I'm more disappointed in the [lacking] GPU "options" and RAM. It can drive 4K displays with GPU's that are subpar, maxing out at 16GB's DDR3 RAM which the GPU's will require especially for "Pro" systems running "Final Cut Pro", which means less available RAM.
My current gen 12-Core Mac Pro6,1 with dual D700's and 32GB's RAM cranks all cores when working on projects and still requires a good amount of time. I couldn't imagine doing the same work as Apple claims with these systems. These components on a professional grade system with a higher price tag is indefensible.
My current gen 12-Core Mac Pro6,1 with dual D700's and 32GB's RAM cranks all cores when working on projects and still requires a good amount of time. I couldn't imagine doing the same work as Apple claims with these systems. These components on a professional grade system with a higher price tag is indefensible.
They did if you wanted to run anything other than that native port type. So DVI on Mini DVI... dongle. DIV on MDP...dongle. VGA on any of them...dongle. etc.
[doublepost=1477921067][/doublepost]Thanks, Tim for taking time out of your busy schedule schedule to respond. Now go back to focusing on watch band development.
Thunderbolt is proprietary and if you want to make a dongle, you have to pay Apple, increasing the dongle price. And if you already have a thunderbolt cable, guess what you can't just use it anymore becsuse you need that dongle.
I've always wanted Apple to offer a 4-Core version of the 13" rMBP, and one could make an argument that if Apple stopped obsessing over thinness, that they could figure out how to dissipate the heat from a 45W CPU versus the 28W dual-cores. I think some users would then contend that the 13" should have a dGPU, but then the hamster wheel starts all over again.
I myself am a little confused as to why Apple couldn't find enough PCIe lanes to enable full speed TB3 on the right side ports, as the requisite chipset for these laptops should be providing an additional x16 lanes. By jettisoning legacy ports that needed those PCIe lanes (SD Card and USB 3.0 Type-A), I would haven't thought there would be enough leftover. Once the 13" and 15" Touch Bar models are shipping and iFixit or OWC does a teardown, it will be interesting to see what TB3 controllers Apple is using. After reading a bit more, my reasoning is that it's possible that Apple may be using up to 4 single channel JH6340 Thunderbolt 3 controllers in the 15" each needing x4 lanes of PCIe, which would be x16 lanes all by itself and the chipset would handle the SSD and the GPU. I'm no engineer, so all this is completely speculative, and it will be interesting to see once they begin shipping.
Where do you get this stuff? Thunderbolt is not proprietary to Apple. Anyone can make dongles. Why are you doing this?
Thunderbolt isn't proprietary. It's owned by Intel. It just so happened that only Apple was willing to adopt it and no other company was, resulting in the port being found predominantly on Apple computers.
What Dell XPS 15 are you talking about? The $1,649.99 model (which sells for $1500 with cash-back most weeks) is i7-6700HQ Quad Core, 16GB DDR4-2133MHz, 512GB, 84 WHr battery, NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 960M. on Dell's own site. And more ports.
And is on the cusp of being upgraded. So it's $900 less... and has better literally everything (bar OS, if you prefer MacOS)... and it's last generation.
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You are aware that the Macbook Pros that were just replaced (i7/16gb coming in at $2600) had only 2 TB Ver2 ports right? And you can daisy chain to your hearts delight on the new MBP.
Listen, I'm not thrilled with this upgrade either but,q cripes, this is over reaction. Question: If someone offered to swap your old MBP for this new one would refuse it out of principle? Because that's what all this complaining sounds like to me, and I don't just mean your post, I mean everyone's.
I just want to see people start testing external GPU boxes. like the one from Razer. Can't wait to see those tests come out. With any luck, it will be plug and play and I can put a big honking GPU (and all of that heat) outside of what is sure to be a razor thin upcoming iMac enclosure with all 4 USB-C ports.
Or you know, a Mac Pro with nVidia hardware would be fine, too. And I could add additional GPUs in the same way.
Or you know, a Mac Pro with nVidia hardware would be fine, too. And I could add additional GPUs in the same way.
I read the first two pages of this thread and then gave up. So many people whining about something I would bet will never affect them as they'll never need 4 high speed TB3 peripherals in a million years.
I've been on MacRumours for years but it's moved on from a great forum of Apple loving users to a forum full of Apple hating trolls who just love to moan about something. There's one guy in this thread that has posted something negative on virtually every flipping thread posted in the last six months.
If you don't like the new products/ports/screen/price/CEO then go buy another product from somewhere else. There are literally thousands of companies producing tech out there - pick one and go away.
I want my old MacRumours back, not this hate filled cess pit of whiners.
As to all the people wanting Tim Cook out - Steve Jobs himself said he was the best man for the job and do you think the board of Directors keep paying him TENS of MILLIONS of dollars because he's rubbish? You don't get to keep a job like that if you're not performing. He is CEO of the largest company in the world yet this forum is full of people who think they know better than he does. Makes me laugh and be sad all at the same time.
I've been on MacRumours for years but it's moved on from a great forum of Apple loving users to a forum full of Apple hating trolls who just love to moan about something. There's one guy in this thread that has posted something negative on virtually every flipping thread posted in the last six months.
If you don't like the new products/ports/screen/price/CEO then go buy another product from somewhere else. There are literally thousands of companies producing tech out there - pick one and go away.
I want my old MacRumours back, not this hate filled cess pit of whiners.
As to all the people wanting Tim Cook out - Steve Jobs himself said he was the best man for the job and do you think the board of Directors keep paying him TENS of MILLIONS of dollars because he's rubbish? You don't get to keep a job like that if you're not performing. He is CEO of the largest company in the world yet this forum is full of people who think they know better than he does. Makes me laugh and be sad all at the same time.
It's currently tricky to get most non-Razer Windows machines working... you need specific port drivers and a chunk of technical fiddling.
It flat-out won't work, with either Alienware's or Razer's. There's an outside chance it might with Bootcamp in a few years, Given Apple's Bootcamp driver update history... but even that's unlikely.
Thunderbolt is Intel, not Apple. Anyway, Apple's TB2 adapter is cheaper than third party offerings and is bidirectional.
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The dual-core CPUs have 12 PCIe lanes, while the quad-cores have 16. It's not just the heat. The quad-core models use up a lot more battery. It sounds like one controller is using 4 channels and the other is using 2 channels.
Indeed, that's exactly the OS I have been using, somewhat Mac OS like without being so "sandboxed." Had not used linux in a while but got hooked again after using Raspbian on Raspberry Pi.
My bad, it's not Apple owned, but it's still not open. And the reason it hasn't been widely adopted is because Apple was given sole use before others. yeah look it up. Instead of pushing a new standard, Apple and Intel made it exclusive to Macs.