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Thunderbolt Details Emerge: Bus Power, Mini DisplayPort, and More
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Ok, so I just watched the video. I do not see where this means less cables. The video clearly showed each device connected to each other via a cable between the device. This would mean each device needs to have 2 lightpeak ports. One coming from the computer, and one from the device to the next device.
I hope this means that someone will come out with the light peak octopus or splitter cable. 1 cable for 2 or many devices. Or their will be a hub/dock real cheap. But that in turn would not mean any case not less cables.
LOL you have a point...
I guess less cables connecting to the Mac itself... lol
I would think all are possible via thunderbolt, but whether or not Apple has included such capabilities with the new MBP line is anyone's guess I suppose.
The key there is DisplayPort 1.1. The current implementation is 1.2. That's just saying older devices will need to be at the end because they can't pass along the signal (which is obvious, because they don't have two ports).
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Well, first it means only one cable going to your computer for multiple functions and drives without any speed loss, which is an enormous improvement from a USB hub. And it absolutely means that there will be hubs both in monitors and stand alone and cross format so you can have a LP/TB external HDD for instance plugged in at the end of a daisy chain and then into that other FW and USB drive or devices that can then go through other TB devices using only one cable per TB device and only one to the computer for basically everything external you want to have plugged in. This will be especially useful for people with laptops that want to be incredibly mobile because they'll just have a power cable and a TB cable and have access to all of their external devices at home or work without having to eject and unplug all of them one at a time, and they can keep complete monitor and drive setups for different uses in their place and then just plug in one cable to automatically have access to all of those functions.
Is there a connection between TB and the Final Cut Pro version on the way?
There aren't many (consumer) devices fast enough to use TB's bandwidth, but I'm guessing if you were editing uncompressed (maybe 'on the fly') HD video, something like TB would be ideal. If playing from/recording to a big fast RAID, you could use - and would need - that kind of bandwidth.
There aren't many (consumer) devices fast enough to use TB's bandwidth, but I'm guessing if you were editing uncompressed (maybe 'on the fly') HD video, something like TB would be ideal. If playing from/recording to a big fast RAID, you could use - and would need - that kind of bandwidth.
Yeah I can't tell you how many times I've waited on set for a FW800 transfer to complete, if you work in Film a wide implementation of this will be life changing.
Not a single use, but many. The sheer amount of data you can pass over a single cable is insane. It's a limited number of TB devices, but each device can still have a hub inside that could offer FW, USB, eSATA, Fibre Channel and anything else that could work on a PCIe bus. If you think of one or two hard drives, yes, this is overkill, but pack a ton of devices off a single bus and things are good.
Most importantly, eventually we will have one cable to rule them all. Ok two, a copper powered version, and a high speed optical one. Same port though. No more FW 400 to 800 converter cables, no more DVI to VGA, just one cable that works with everything. Granted this utopia is a few years out.
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So it provides more Watts than USB, which is great, but exactly how many Volts and how many Amps?
If I'm correct, 800 mA and 12 V would make around 10 W, which would be very good news! This would be a huge advantage over USB, with its 500 mA and 5 V.
If I'm correct, 800 mA and 12 V would make around 10 W, which would be very good news! This would be a huge advantage over USB, with its 500 mA and 5 V.
Because someone will confuse Thunderbolt for USB. I remember back in the SCSI days; I got sent to do an on-site repair job at the University. Some genius had plugged a Parallel cable into the SCSI port of their Mac and wondered why it wouldn't print. Those were the days.
With today's introduction of Thunderbolt by Intel and new MacBook Pros from Apple featuring the technology, long-standing questions regarding how the technology would be implemented are finally coming to rest. Intel just held a media event to provide additional details on the technology, and CNET provided a live blog of the event.
True to recent developments, Thunderbolt is initially being implemented solely over a copper connection, with optical connections set to come later this year. The technology essentially combines PCI Express and DisplayPort into one protocol, allowing displays and other peripherals to be driven off of the same bus.
Other Notes:
- 10 Gbps per channel (bidirectional - that's about 900 MB/s).
- 10 W bus power (less than FireWire, but more than USB). According to Intel, bus power will likely not be supported over future optical cables (so no additional copper lines just for bus power)
- One bus can drive two DisplayPort displays simultaneously.
- Low 8 ns latency over 7 daisy-chained devices.
- Maximum single cable length is 3 meters for current copper implementation.
- Any DisplayPort 1.1 device needs to be the last in a daisy chain.
- In a hands-on demonstration of Thunderbolt, Engadget was able to see a 5 GB file transferred in just a few seconds. The connection was also capable of playing four simultaneous uncompressed HD video streams from a RAID device.
Vendors who have already committed to producing Thunderbolt devices include Promise (Pegasus RAID) and LaCie (Little Big Disk).
Article Link: Thunderbolt Details Emerge: Bus Power, Mini DisplayPort, and More
768MB per second! Holy smokes!
For anyone who thinks Apple does not care about enterprise...
It is all starting to come together now...
1. Thunderbolt with ultrafast raid support. great for file sharing/transferring.
2. Lacie and Promise releasing thunderbolt raid decks.
3. OS X Lion having server built in, instead of a separate disk/install.
4. Daisy-chaining of devices.
Since major I/T departments and large server rooms are on the decline... Apple is really breaking into enterprise capability with the small to mid-sized business in mind. Would work well for major corporations, as the large office building is going away for smaller remote locations and work-at-home employees. think about it... With the mac pro offering Xeon chips. Put in thunderbolt, with a raid deck and bam... An almost compact sized heavy duty server - no need for rack or special cooling....
Apple is thinking of the trend in the enterprise. Just think. Daisy chain one Pegasus for data storage with fail-over raid, and one for time-machine backups with failover raid. And since these have hot-swapable disks... Pull out one and send it off site for backups, put in another one (then just swap the drives on a regular schedule). No more tape backups, less costly than a true SAN.
Dang I wish I had the money. Would be really sweet for my home setup also.
It is all starting to come together now...
1. Thunderbolt with ultrafast raid support. great for file sharing/transferring.
2. Lacie and Promise releasing thunderbolt raid decks.
3. OS X Lion having server built in, instead of a separate disk/install.
4. Daisy-chaining of devices.
Since major I/T departments and large server rooms are on the decline... Apple is really breaking into enterprise capability with the small to mid-sized business in mind. Would work well for major corporations, as the large office building is going away for smaller remote locations and work-at-home employees. think about it... With the mac pro offering Xeon chips. Put in thunderbolt, with a raid deck and bam... An almost compact sized heavy duty server - no need for rack or special cooling....
Apple is thinking of the trend in the enterprise. Just think. Daisy chain one Pegasus for data storage with fail-over raid, and one for time-machine backups with failover raid. And since these have hot-swapable disks... Pull out one and send it off site for backups, put in another one (then just swap the drives on a regular schedule). No more tape backups, less costly than a true SAN.
Dang I wish I had the money. Would be really sweet for my home setup also.
Does this mean I can finally use two external displays with the new MBPro ?
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I'm sure that 10-15 years ago, people said that SCSI synced fast enough for them, too, so why would they need Firewire? You may not need that speed at this moment, but before too long you will and then you won't be able to live without it.
Isn't there some law of computing that says that every time a faster computer is invented, a more bloated program comes along to leverage that speed? I'm sure that the same applies to connection technology, as well.
When I got an eMac in 2002 with a DVD drive, I almost saved a few dollars by getting the CD drive instead. I soon found out how convenient it was to watch movies on my computer and how good that eMac was at displaying video and playing sound (better than my TV, in fact.) I was very glad that I spent the extra money to get the DVD-ROM drive. I'm sure it will be the same with Thunderbolt.
This explains the demise of the XServe.
Also, to help you out (not trying to nitpick), but you can make an ellipsis ( ) on a Mac by holding down option and pressing colon.