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Sweet! Now I just need to wait for OWC to make Thunderbolt enclosures and Monoprice to make Thunderbolt cables, and I can buy an iMac instead of a Mac Pro for my next computer.

Agreed. The need for MacPros is diminishing. A few more years and a low-end Air will be snappy enough for most current programs and with Thunderbolt it will be an excellent portable that expands to a snappy desktop.

Considering the number of complaints about hot MacBooks and Imacs, I wonder if they would have trouble with overheating if you started to throw workstation class loads at them.


The point is that Thunderbolt speeds would mean it would be as fast or faster than your internal hard drive. Yes it's possible to boot with a firewire disk but it's not practical to use it in any real sense to work on.

A TBolt drive is just a SATA drive - drive X in a TBolt expansion won't be faster or slower than the same drive X internally mounted.


Disagree. I am using an OWC FW800 SSD as my 24" iMac's boot drive right now. Much faster overall than the internal HD.

For most things an SSD, even hampered by 1394b, would be a lot "snappier" than a spinning drive. For large transfers though, the internal SATA drive would go faster than the peak 80 MBps of 1394b. On any test that would involve head movements, though, the SSD would probably win.

For example, copying a large file from one internal SATA drive to a second internal SATA drive should be faster than copying from the internal SATA drive to the SSD.

Copying the file onto the same internal drive would cause lots of head movements, and the SSD would probably be faster at copying onto the same drive.
 
Booting from external drive - why?

I have to admit that I have not yet understood what is so amazing about this? It seems to me it only matters if the external drive is much faster than the internal drive of the computer. Why are you all assuming that is the case, especially with the only currently available external drives supporting TB?

I have an SSD in my Air and my OS on an SSD in my future iMac. Why would I care about booting from an external drive via TB?

Again, excuse my ignorance if this question has an obvious answer.
 
I have to admit that I have not yet understood what is so amazing about this? It seems to me it only matters if the external drive is much faster than the internal drive of the computer. Why are you all assuming that is the case, especially with the only currently available external drives supporting TB?

I have an SSD in my Air and my OS on an SSD in my future iMac. Why would I care about booting from an external drive via TB?

Again, excuse my ignorance if this question has an obvious answer.

Having an external drive to boot from helps when cloning your system drive, doing maintenance, etc. Some also use external drives to try out new operating systems (like the Lion Beta).
 
Bootcamp

Here is my naive question. Does this mean bootcamp will be supported on external drives as well? Since I only use Windows for games I would love to just disconnect an external drive when I'm working and not have lost any valuable HD space on my laptop.
 
I have to admit that I have not yet understood what is so amazing about this? It seems to me it only matters if the external drive is much faster than the internal drive of the computer. Why are you all assuming that is the case, especially with the only currently available external drives supporting TB?

I have an SSD in my Air and my OS on an SSD in my future iMac. Why would I care about booting from an external drive via TB?

Again, excuse my ignorance if this question has an obvious answer.

if your internal ssd dies you are dead in the water at least this is true in the case of imacs. many other reasons.
 
Not sure why :apple: and intel cannot include eSata, much cheaper and I believe you can boot from it as well. The rotating HDD is the bottleneck and considering SSD can run faster than Sata III/ 6, providing an eSata port rather than a TB port would make multiple products already available more viable then to introduce a new product I/O to the mix. Can TB run power and handle enough power to run a display or even a multiple bay storage device? If not what is the point, considering that Light Peak is a better way to go down the road when fibre is cheaper. I see another DVD Ram fiasco. :p
 
What's with all the Thunderbold posts? Is this Safari's spellchecker undermining Intel's latest glory?
 
I have to admit that I have not yet understood what is so amazing about this? It seems to me it only matters if the external drive is much faster than the internal drive of the computer. Why are you all assuming that is the case, especially with the only currently available external drives supporting TB?

I have an SSD in my Air and my OS on an SSD in my future iMac. Why would I care about booting from an external drive via TB?

Again, excuse my ignorance if this question has an obvious answer.

When I travel to my parents I take my FW800 OWC drive with me. It is bootable and has a copy of all my files.

I plug it into their iMac and boot using the FW800 drive and it is like I never left home. Not only do I have my data files, but vastly more important is that I have all my apps (and their pref files).
 
After getting repeatedly burned by ReadyNAS and Drobo -- data loss, unrecoverable -- I'll trust no further consumer RAID system beyond simple two-drive dumb mirroring.

Good luck, ye bolder than me.



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if your internal ssd dies you are dead in the water at least this is true in the case of imacs. many other reasons.
Just bring the iMac to your local Mac repair shop, they'll pop it open in no time and put something new in. And it is not like SSDs are dying every couple of months. More likely you want to upgrade to faster or larger SSD before the SSD fails.
 
When I travel to my parents I take my FW800 OWC drive with me. It is bootable and has a copy of all my files.

I plug it into their iMac and boot using the FW800 drive and it is like I never left home. Not only do I have my data files, but vastly more important is that I have all my apps (and their pref files).

Mac-to-Go = external HDD/SSD with FW400/800

I have the same solution and it cost me nothing compared to what is being offered by TB. I see this as a stopgap technology. I would not sell any of my Mac to run out to buy a Mac with TB.
 
Nice,

Now I can buy a external TB drive at company's cost, and use my own MBP as hardware. The files from my company stay at work! Internal drive for own use.

I love this!
 
How about powering-on Macs from Thunderbolt devices like dongles or keyboards? That was possible with old Apple Desktop Bus (ADB) and former USB.
 
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All article I found still only talk about 'Thunderbolt is bootable for OSX'

How about bootcamp? Can we install bootcamp windows on external Tb drive?? We need windows (usually for games) and the ability to install on external ssd is important too

I wouldnt worry too much about the price. Just like first plasma tv priced around $4000 for 42 incher :eek: the rest is history

Even with today price, that pegasus 4TB still a bargain compared to what u have to spent on single 512 GB SSD. Same price, same speed and 8x more capacity!!! Why the whining. You'd think that pegasus is cheap when you think it over SSD
 
I have to admit that I have not yet understood what is so amazing about this? It seems to me it only matters if the external drive is much faster than the internal drive of the computer. Why are you all assuming that is the case, especially with the only currently available external drives supporting TB?

I have an SSD in my Air and my OS on an SSD in my future iMac. Why would I care about booting from an external drive via TB?

Again, excuse my ignorance if this question has an obvious answer.

Apple doesn't currently offer anything but an extremely expensive and meh-performance SSD solution in their iMacs. I'm not interested in spending the extra $500 when I can get what I need for half that. It also allows users to upgrade their boot drive down the road without having to worry about cracking open the case themselves or paying someone else to do it for them. It also allows you to get RAID performance which isn't possible on the iMacs.
 
I have to admit that I have not yet understood what is so amazing about this? It seems to me it only matters if the external drive is much faster than the internal drive of the computer. Why are you all assuming that is the case, especially with the only currently available external drives supporting TB?

I have an SSD in my Air and my OS on an SSD in my future iMac. Why would I care about booting from an external drive via TB?

Again, excuse my ignorance if this question has an obvious answer.

This lets you boot from a very fast RAID on an iMac. A six drive RAID is potentially MUCH faster than the internal iMac drive. The TB interface is also much faster than the SATA III interface in the iMac. Read speeds should be much faster, write speeds will be limited by the RAID controller in the device (With any luck, it will have hardware XOR), but are potentially much faster. This also gives much better data security on your boot drive (No excuse for not backing up).
 
I don't have a Mac with Thunderbolt yet. Considering how outrageously expensive these external enclosures are when compared to typical directly connected enclosures, I'm not about to rush out and upgrade my current system to get this feature.

A $50 cable is one thing...that's pretty typical for Apple. But there is no reason a 4 disk array should cost over TWICE as much as an eSata/FW800 enclosure.

The fact that none of the manufactures are selling diskless enclosures only further proves how much they are trying to gouge Apple owners.
 
I have to admit that I have not yet understood what is so amazing about this? It seems to me it only matters if the external drive is much faster than the internal drive of the computer. Why are you all assuming that is the case, especially with the only currently available external drives supporting TB?

I have an SSD in my Air and my OS on an SSD in my future iMac. Why would I care about booting from an external drive via TB?

Again, excuse my ignorance if this question has an obvious answer.

(1) Before doing any bigger updates, I clone the disk to an external harddrive so I can easy clone it back if I don't like how things turn out (e.g. when installing XCode beta releases)

(2) I am now on my third Mac - but I still use my original installation. First I clone to external harddrive, than I boot the new Mac from the external harddrive and clone it to the internal harddrive

(3) I once had a harddrive fail on me when it overheated, I let the machine cool down, cloned to external harddrive, worked off my installation on a loaner Mac until I got mine repaired, cloned it back to the orignal machine - didn't loose a single bit of data and kept working like nothing happend

It's really nice that the clone works on every Mac (MacBook, iMac, ...).

You can even use applications like CCC to make incremental clones as bootable backup.
 
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