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Thurrott says Longhorn has the makings of a train wreck
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GFLPraxis said:
Well if that's the case, then we can kiss newer versions of Virtual PC goodbye because running WinXP/2000 in OS X is fair if not slow already.
Also, you guys can down on this new release of Windows, just like you dissed XP, just like you dissed 2000, ME, and 98, and 95, and 3.11, 3.1, 3.0...the list goes on. Yet after all these years Microsoft stays the 800 pound gorrilla in the software industry. Meanwhile Apple is crawling through the rainforest with it's declining marketshare.
Microsoft may be the 800 pound gorilla but you are a scrawny 80 pound TROLL!!!calyxman said:
P.S. I think apple are a 1200 pound Liger!
clayj said:
Negative. A leopard doesn't change its spots. This "criticism" was pretty weak. It definitely wasn't the bite the hand that feeds you type but more along the lines of flipping somebody off at a bus stop as you drive by going 45... In essence, there is nothing behind it.
re: intel chips
Didn't Apple try this 10-12 years ago? One of the Apple history books talks about the engineers holing up in a hotel together for a few weeks and trying to make it work - all in secrecy. I remember this because the guys would take breaks and go down to the nearby arcade to play some game. After a while, they bought the video game and put it in the room. But it fell through at the end.
Intel is big with "the people" and might sell more systems on name alone. When I tell people IBM makes the processors, I see that look, that look of confusion...
calyxman said:
A complete lie. Apple's marketshare has been increasing in AT LEAST the past three quarters. It's a bit pointless to try to pass stuff like that by when there are Apple shareholders here.
Phobophobia said:A complete lie. Apple's marketshare has been increasing in AT LEAST the past three quarters. It's a bit pointless to try to pass stuff like that by when there are Apple shareholders here.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/121433/
calyxman said:
But stockholding macheads only think Apple's marketshare is increasing because the almighty Steve Jobs tells you so. Or at least that is how it is according to some people.
I personally believe that Microsoft may be the 800 pound gorilla, but Apple is the one trailblazing through the rain forest and creating the paths that the gorilla can only follow.
Apple is selling more machines than ever before (me thinks) but since the market is growing, 3% is a lot more machines. To grow 33% up to 4% will take even more sales than ever before, and will it will continue to get larger. It is a mistake to chase market share, as an example read "From Worst to First", the turnaround of continental airlines. Don't get me wrong, market share is important, just not THE indicator. As long as the entity "Apple" is profitable, there will be Mac's. Bigger market share and prolonged losses, and Mac is no more.
edit: btw how many computers did ms sell? could it be zero? If windows sells computers what happened to gateway?
edit: btw how many computers did ms sell? could it be zero? If windows sells computers what happened to gateway?
Phobophobia said:A complete lie. Apple's marketshare has been increasing in AT LEAST the past three quarters. It's a bit pointless to try to pass stuff like that by when there are Apple shareholders here.
Mac sales may be growing but the global total market for desktop computers is growing at a faster rate, so as a % of total market share, Macs are actually decreasing. Remember that Macs have no penetration in places like China and India and East Asia which are starting to see rapid takeup in desktop computers. (a fair number of them are probably running pirated Windows)
James Philp said:
Oh my, another one calls me a troll for being on the other side of opinion. Let's see, I'm using an iBook and I happen to be running Panther with iTunes playing in the background, and I happen to be typing in Safari...what did you say I was again? May you can't stand someone disagreeing with you, huh?
A complete lie. Apple's marketshare has been increasing in AT LEAST the past three quarters. It's a bit pointless to try to pass stuff like that by when there are Apple shareholders here.
http://www.macobserver.com/article/2004/01/15.15.shtml
http://www.macworld.com/news/2002/07/03/marketshare/
http://www.macobserver.com/article/2005/04/15.14.shtml
We started off in the good old days at 5%, now we're below 4%, worldwide below 3%. Hardly anything to get excited about. A little more on this later.
This actually sheds light on why Apple will always be behind no matter how great OS X is: Apple is straddling two divisions at the same time, software and hardware. You don't see MS out there building boxes (except for the x-box). They don't care, as long as enough vendors are pushing systems out there with Windows pre-installed. It's not just MS that's overpowering Apple, it's Dell, HP, Sony, et al. that are suffocating Apple.
Not many years ago there was a point when finally Apple licensed its OS to companies that wanted to build clones. Who came and killed the project? Need I say his name?
Marketshare isn't simply about profits--although if you look at Microsft they got best of both worlds. It's also about creating a wider acceptance of your platform. Walk into any business today, and I'll bet you 9 times out of 10 they'll be running a Windows box. Go to an insurance office, a real estate office, hospital, local government, bank, etc. Why are they running Windows? It's not because they hate Apple or because they're ignorant. Windows is the only platform you can use in these businesses knowing full well that you can use the software written for any of these industries, and by software I'm not just talking about MS Office.
I'm in the mortgage business. Would I get very far with a Mac? Hell no! There's so many loan origination programs out there yet only one is written for the mac and it happens to run in classic. It's called Loanvision and it's clunky and doesn't come close to the other loan origination programs out there.
The bottom line is if you ignore the business segment, you can kiss the market share race goodbye. And I don't think Apple is wrapping its hopes up in the consumer line. Porting iTunes and iPod for Windows practically weakens the argument of convincing someone to switch from Windows to Mac. How about the latest round of iPods released, remember when Apple dropped their own cable Firewire and left USB 2.0 in the package? Was Apple catering to its loyal Mac users when they did that?
Anyway, there's no use in beating a dead horse as nothing will change as long as Jobs is at the helm.
Phat_Pat said:wow. That just looks like a horrible photoshop job. Not saying it is. Just saying it looks awful.
Yeah, I agree. It almost looks like an old XP shareware program's Gui. Maybe like the Nero trial version or something. I almost feel bad for it.
I didn't see any disagreement in:calyxman said:Oh my, another one calls me a troll for being on the other side of opinion. Let's see, I'm using an iBook and I happen to be running Panther with iTunes playing in the background, and I happen to be typing in Safari...what did you say I was again? May you can't stand someone disagreeing with you, huh?
That looks more like a statement than a disagreement!calyxman said:
Your post:
1. Did not have anything to do with the topic of the thread
2. Did not state what you disagreed with
3. Has a ddefinite negative tone, for example:
"despite being far superior and running a Mac on OS X, we have to admit that MS still dominates the platform market, with large PC manufacturers showing increased market share"
This statement is a lot less trollish than:
"Apple is crawling through the rainforest"
Sorry I offended you so much by calling you a troll.
I still don't see how any of your post relates to:
"Thurrott says Longhorn has the makings of a train wreck"
though?
machobson said:They probably pushed ahead Longhorn's release ahead a year so that they could copy all the good features in Tiger and have enough time to get it stable enough so it runs for 10 mins after you install it.
If I'm not mistaken, who did Apple "get" their idea for Dashboard? Ever heard of Konfabulator? Where was all the fuss about that ripoff, which was so blatant that the minds at Cupertino even decided to take the name "Widgets?" How about Launchbar and Watson? Ever heard of those?
No offense to all you die hard mac heads, but I wouldn't be flapping your lips about who's copying what.
James Philp said:I didn't see any disagreement in:
That looks more like a statement than a disagreement!
Your post:
1. Did not have anything to do with the topic of the thread
2. Did not state what you disagreed with
3. Has a ddefinite negative tone, for example:
"despite being far superior and running a Mac on OS X, we have to admit that MS still dominates the platform market, with large PC manufacturers showing increased market share"
This statement is a lot less trollish than:
"Apple is crawling through the rainforest"
Sorry I offended you so much by calling you a troll.
I still don't see how any of your post relates to:
"Thurrott says Longhorn has the makings of a train wreck"
though?
Ok, so everybody else's snide comments about Windows get a pass but I somehow get a "troll" litmus test. WTF is that all about?
Honestly, this troll name-calling is stupid and I don't care what anyone thinks around here. I'll voice my opinions because of what I believe. If you don't like it, then ignore it and move on with your life.
calyxman said:
Granted Apple made a few mistakes in it's biz model, and as long as HP, D3ll, Gateway and others continue to make windows boxes instead of linux and/or the next OS, ms will be fine. If on the other hand they stop, what will be the avenue for ms? the odds of them stopping now is nearly nil but none the less, that maybe approaching 1% and in 5 yrs 3% and ...........
SJ has brought Apple back, put your finacial hat back on and tell me who could take over apple, boot SJ, and not watch the stock drop to breakup value? While he may be some's bane, he is also the oxygen at Apple.
The scientific community is seeing a switch to Mac, and maybe soon, there will also be more apps written in the biz community as well. I own a small storage business and built my apps on office for the emac there. there is no question who has the market, like beta vs vhs, apple has the better product but not the market share. Unlike beta I believe Apple will survive because of the vision SJ has and MS is losing it.
Bigheadache said:
You're forgetting that market share /= installed user base.
Market share is the amount sold.
Mac users buy new systems a lot less often than PC users, therefore, the sales are deceptively high. If you compare the installed user base- aka, the amount of people who use Macs vs the amount of people who use PC's- rather than the market share (amount of people who bought Macs vs amount of people who bought PC's this quarter), the Mac looks much higher.
calyxman said:
Not true.
http://daringfireball.net/2004/06/dashboard_vs_konfabulator
Read it carefully.
stubeeef said:
I'm expecting/hoping that at SOME POINT when Apple is gaining increased rep for having a great OS (possibly just before Longhorn comes out, to undercut it, since everyone will be prepared to buy a new PC anyway), Apple will license out OS X.
I'm not talking about for x86, but for PowerPC. We could see Sony and IBM and Toshiba (three companies, remember?), maybe HP (since they work with Apple on the iPod), and others selling their own PowerPC systems running Mac OS X.
Apple sells Mac OS X for $129. However, unlike the systems you buy from Apple, the ones you buy from the other companies are ONLY OS X- no iLife '05, no AppleWorks, etc. So Apple will get good software sales with Mac OS X upgrades selling like hot cakes, Mac sales still going because of the brand name + sweet design + better software bundles, and Mac software selling a lot more, increasing developer support.
Just my hope.
GFLPraxis said:
that could work, but Steve and Apple would have to get the other computer makers to use PowerPC in the first place, which is the real challenge, it certainly would work, but its getting the others to play nice that is the problem