Thurrott says Longhorn has the makings of a train wreck

[mac-er]

Oh my, another one calls me a troll for being on the other side of opinion. Let's see, I'm using an iBook and I happen to be running Panther with iTunes playing in the background, and I happen to be typing in Safari...what did you say I was again? May you can't stand someone disagreeing with you, huh?

According to Wikipedia, you are a troll.

An Internet troll is either a person who sends messages on the Internet hoping to entice other users into angry or fruitless responses, or a message sent with such content.
A variant of the [inflammatory messages] involves posting content obviously severely contradictory to the (stated or unstated) focus of the group or forum- for example, posting cat meat recipes on a pet lovers forum, posting evolutionary theory on a creationist forum (or vice versa), or posting messages about how all dragons are boring in the USENET group alt.fan.dragons.

Why are you on a Mac-fan forum if you love Windows so much (and hate Apple)?

 

[GFLPraxis]

Ok, so if you want to use the logic in that aricle, we can say that Apple stole it's GUI concept from, and owes all its Mac OS X success to, Xerox. What's the next excuse?

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Are you just begging to be embarrassed?

I just pwned you over the Dashboard issue...here we go again.

http://www.mackido.com/Interface/ui_history.html

pwned.

1) Apple PAID Xerox.
2) Apple's ideas were considerably different than Xerox's, and considerably superior.

That does not constitute a ripoff.



You're just running around try to FIND something to accuse Apple of.

 

[stubeeef]

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1) Apple PAID Xerox.

I make that very same, very important distinction in every argument, it is of the most fundamental of business practices, that when you BUY it, it is not ripping it off.

 

[ravenvii]

Why are you on a Mac-fan forum if you love Windows so much (and hate Apple)?

The reason is obvious. He is so desperately sexy and desperately wants my love. Oh, and to top that off, he desperately wants to show me his. Come here, hunk, I'm waiting!

 

[Lord Blackadder]

I arrived at the blogger lunch late as well, but it was a veritable who's-who of the Windows enthusiast community

...they've got an enthusiast community?



That's like having an emergency appendectomy enthusiast community - horribly masochistic.

And, uh...go get 'em Raven. Looks like Calyxman needs some love!

 

[Maedus]

The reason is obvious. He is so desperately sexy and desperately wants my love. Oh, and to top that off, he desperately wants to show me his. Come here, hunk, I'm waiting!

I read MacRumors way too much since I was just thinking about that Tuesday on the drive to school.

The "I love you. I want to show you mine. Will you show me yours" statement, that is. Not to actually seeing yours.

 

[PlaceofDis]

...they've got an enthusiast community?



That's like having an emergency appendectomy enthusiast community - horribly masochistic.

And, uh...go get 'em Raven. Looks like Calyxman needs some love!

haha yeah i was surprised to see that too
&
keep up the good work Raven!!

 

[angelneo]

if MS' biggest fanboys are starting to like OS X then yes Longhorn may not be able to help MS at all, the begining of the end for MS?! a bit to early to tell who knows what will happen, but disturbing indeed

Looking at the amount of fortune that MS has amassed, it would take a decade for them to die off even if they just sit on their ass now, but it would be a slow and painful death...

 

[840quadra]

Looking at the amount of fortune that MS has amassed, it would take a decade for them to die off even if they just sit on their ass now, but it would be a slow and painful death...

I doubt it would happen, but it would be painful to watch THAT giant fall. I don't like many microsoft programs, but I don't hate the company.

 

[iWillard]

They kept the Start bar. I would think with Longhorn and the Aero Glass interface, they could have come up with something a little more revolutionary. This Longhorn looks like a retread of a tired, decade old design.

I concur... Even my PC lovin' buddies have said "Wow... this is weak" when I show them the newest Longhorn screenshots.... Did they get rid of that bizzare huge "cow clock" (as I call it) in the latest builds?

 

[Mav451]

Haha, sorry there are no "Windows enthusiast" forums. There are hard-core hardware forums, where people talk about the brand (AMD vs. Intel, nForce vs. Intel, ATi vs. nVidia, Firefox vs. Opera) name like its their car.

Why do you think we're so obsessed with enlarging our e-penis and overclocking?

*and I'm not joking haha*

 

[broken_keyboard]

2) Apple's ideas were considerably different than Xerox's, and considerably superior.

Yes. And there's a clear difference between turning an idea in to a product (what Apple did) and simply copying someone else's product (what Microsoft did).

Xerox was the first idea. Mac was the first product. Windows was just a cheap knockoff of the Mac. So was Amiga, but Amiga had some innovation in other areas, such as the idea of a separate GPU.

 

[John Jacob]

Remember that Macs have no penetration in places like China and India and East Asia which are starting to see rapid takeup in desktop computers. (a fair number of them are probably running pirated Windows)

Hey I have a Mac, so you can't say we have NO penetration in India.

And yeah, not many people use legal Windows for home use over here (corporations do, though).

 

[stevietheb]

Did they get rid of that bizzare huge "cow clock" (as I call it) in the latest builds?

That was my favorite thing about Longhorn! Of course, that's because I'm a University of Texas alum.

Very sad that the new windows happens to share the name of my former school's mascot.

Hook 'em!

 

[jayscheuerle]

Yes. And there's a clear difference between turning an idea in to a product (what Apple did) and simply copying someone else's product (what Microsoft did).

Xerox was the first idea. Mac was the first product. Windows was just a cheap knockoff of the Mac. So was Amiga, but Amiga had some innovation in other areas, such as the idea of a separate GPU.

Actually, the Xerox Star was a product in 1981, though woefully underpowered and overpriced.

Judge for yourself what Macs owe to it.

 

[anonymous161]

The reason is obvious. He is so desperately sexy and desperately wants my love. Oh, and to top that off, he desperately wants to show me his. Come here, hunk, I'm waiting!

You are my hero. Nice sig too!!

 

[Eric5h5]

Actually, the Xerox Star was a product in 1981, though woefully underpowered and overpriced.

And that mouse looks downright painful to use. Fortunately there have been a few refinements in that area since then....

--Eric

 

[Mechcozmo]

Didn't Apple try this 10-12 years ago? One of the Apple history books talks about the engineers holing up in a hotel together for a few weeks and trying to make it work - all in secrecy. I remember this because the guys would take breaks and go down to the nearby arcade to play some game. After a while, they bought the video game and put it in the room. But it fell through at the end.

The "Enterprise" project. It got System 7 running on x86 hardware+the Finder+Quicktime but was killed after that.

Meanwhile Apple is crawling through the rainforest with it's declining marketshare.

Read the 'tar people...

 

[JeffTL]

Well, this cements it.

My two and a half year old Dell running XP will be replaced with a Mac when it dies.

 

[broken_keyboard]

Actually, the Xerox Star was a product in 1981, though woefully underpowered and overpriced.

Judge for yourself what Macs owe to it.

Thanks, I didn't know about that one. So ahead of it's time...
http://www.digibarn.com/friends/curbow/star/retrospect/

As much as I admire it technically, I have to say though: $16,500!
Is something still a product if it is priced outside of reach? Or is it just an implementation of an idea? Products are things you sell.

 

[Mechcozmo]

Linkety to a neat page on the Star.

Basically, Apple was let into Xerox's labs for a bunch of shares of stock, which was good, because the Apple II was doing really damn well at the time. And Xerox did sue over the Lisa in 1992, after they had been buried in a landfill. Can't even sue on time.