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Thurrott says Longhorn has the makings of a train wreck

PlaceofDis said:
that could work, but Steve and Apple would have to get the other computer makers to use PowerPC in the first place, which is the real challenge, it certainly would work, but its getting the others to play nice that is the problem
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At this point its not that big a problem.

Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, Toshiba, and IBM (duh) have all embraced PowerPC...

Remember, Sony, Toshiba, and IBM are the alliance that is making the Cell processor. The Cell processor is just a PowerPC processor with multiple vector processing units attached.

And Nintendo is using G5's supposedly (or at least, some IBM processor, we know that much for sure) and Microsoft is using PowerPC's in the XBox.

Getting Sony and Toshiba and IBM to sell PowerPC desktops wouldn't be a problem if Apple doesn't try to force things on them like Microsoft does. They'd be happy for the change.
 
GFLPraxis said:
Getting Sony and Toshiba and IBM to sell PowerPC desktops wouldn't be a problem if Apple doesn't try to force things on them like Microsoft does. They'd be happy for the change.
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It's pretty hard to say. We all know Apple loves to keep a tight rein on the entire process so that they can control what goes out to the market. It has its advantages and disadvantages as we all know. Releasing OSX even for other PowerPC desktop makers might still be far-fetched idea for now. But who knows, Apple has done quite a number of unexpected business moves in these few years so it might still be possible.
 
I like how Microshaft thinks it can woo people with cool graphics and icons. Well they are nice, but they go WAY overboard!

Yes OS X has nice graphics and such, but the look is CLEAN, and not cluttered with menus and tool bars all over the place.

I guess I am a minimalist, in Linux systems I run Blackbox as my Window manager, and in OS X I set my Dock to auto hide, and have as few icons and graphics exposed as possible..

Microsoft calls it a Desktop, who the hell has that much T*chidt on their real desktop?
 
I reckon you've gotta take everything Paul says with a pinch of salt because I've never really seen him review something twice and give the same feedback. He's pretty inconsistent, one minute he loves Microsoft, hates Apple, the next minute it's the other way around. From a psychological point of view it's a pretty classic case of loving something but not knowing how to handle it. In his case, I reckon he loves the Macs but he doesn't want to, if that makes sense.
 
You can rant as much as you want on Microsoft Longhorn, You can predict Microsoft downfall like some expert have been predicting for the past 10 years, it aint' going to happen. We have to be realist. The mindset of windows user is beyond comprehension. They rather invest in anti-spyware, anti-virus, process-guard and registery protector then puttin all that money towards a virus free and spyware free Mac OSX.

As long as Apple will be responsible for hardware and software, it will still be a niche market. A darn good one, you might add, but still rather ssmall. Another issue of the Apple market is the lack of optimisation of OpenGL / Games. Tiger 10.4 is definetly a step in the right direction but Apple is so far behind Direct X / Windows XP optimisation for games. The game industry has now overpass the Cinema industry and it will only get better from here. Apple need to step on the bandwaggon and work hard with the gaming industry to get good result.

Ipod halo effect and the windows security threat over the past year is helping Apple. They need to capitalize now. Apple also need to approach casual pc user market. Most user still thinks that Apple computer are only good for photoshop. I've been working for 14 years with PC and only last year I bought my first Mac Computer. I now realize what I have been missing all this years.

Apple fanboy need to open their eyes and realize that Microsoft OS will probably be around as the dominate OS for a very long time. It doesnt mean that Apple doesn't have a good and competitive product.
 
We keep comparing Longhorn to 10.4... shouldn't we compare it to what 10.5 will be? I wouldn't be surprised if we use 10.5 by the time Longhorn comes out. It looks like they still have a lot of work to do to to make longhorn a decent OS... but then again, it almost felt like I was running a beta when I was using 10.0 and 10.1. We'll see.
 
munkle said:
Dvorak isn't a fan either, the comments are pretty interesting.



MS should be getting nervous right about now...
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if MS' biggest fanboys are starting to like OS X then yes Longhorn may not be able to help MS at all, the begining of the end for MS?! a bit to early to tell who knows what will happen, but disturbing indeed
 
phht, makings of a train wreck? pah. as much as i hate Windows, every tom dick and harry with an X86 CPU is going to get Longhorn. wether or not it runs fast, or even tolerable of their machine.

another reason for Tiger (or possibly Longhorn will be out at 10.5?) users to be even more smug in the future!
 
raggedjimmi said:
phht, makings of a train wreck? pah. as much as i hate Windows, every tom dick and harry with an X86 CPU is going to get Longhorn. wether or not it runs fast, or even tolerable of their machine.

another reason for Tiger (or possibly Longhorn will be out at 10.5?) users to be even more smug in the future!
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it was my understanding that MS doesnt really sell that many copies of Windows upgrades and that they really get people hooked in their new OSes through upgrades? i could be wrong but i thought that was how it worked for the majority of people? this should then allow apple to show an alternative to windows when people go to upgrade
 
Running Windows isn't a choice. It's a default.

People choose to run OSX.

Market share is a heartless statistic. What I'd like to see is the break-down of machines sold for home use–what people choose to run. Market share as recorded now includes cash registers, kiosks and the millions of machines that sit idle between 5pm and 9am.

Has anyone ever heard of this number being mentioned?
 
PlaceofDis said:
it was my understanding that MS doesnt really sell that many copies of Windows upgrades and that they really get people hooked in their new OSes through upgrades? i could be wrong but i thought that was how it worked for the majority of people? this should then allow apple to show an alternative to windows when people go to upgrade
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HA! Windows users upgrade their OS by replacing their computer every 3 years... :D
 
PlaceofDis said:
if MS' biggest fanboys are starting to like OS X then yes Longhorn may not be able to help MS at all, the begining of the end for MS?! a bit to early to tell who knows what will happen, but disturbing indeed
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Has anyone read a recent article in I think it was Fortune where it talks about Google stalking MS. It read that many many executives were actually hired away from MS including the main architect of windows for the past decade. When google opened their new office 5 miles from MS in redmond, their office was filled with people from MS asking for job! A majority if MS employees use iPod, the majority use Google search, and another thing that was in the article... its pretty revealing. Both google and apple who are outspent by MS by a factor of 10 are able to beat them to the market.
Interesting read.
 
Fukui said:
Has anyone read a recent article in I think it was Fortune where it talks about Google stalking MS. It read that many many executives were actually hired away from MS including the main architect of windows for the past decade. When google opened their new office 5 miles from MS in redmond, their office was filled with people from MS asking for job! A majority if MS employees use iPod, the majority use Google search, and another thing that was in the article... its pretty revealing. Both google and apple who are outspent by MS by a factor of 10 are able to beat them to the market.
Interesting read.
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that explains this
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States should remove visa limits to allow more skilled foreign citizens to work at U.S. companies if it wants to remain a leader in technology, Microsoft Corp. (Nasdaq:MSFT - news) Chairman Bill Gates said on Wednesday.

Microsoft is having a hard time finding skilled workers within the United States, and the lack of H-1B visas for skilled workers is only making the situation worse, Gates said in a panel discussion at the Library of Congress.

"The whole idea of the H-1B visa thing is, don't let too many smart people come into the country. The whole thing doesn't make sense," Gates said.
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They kept the Start bar. I would think with Longhorn and the Aero Glass interface, they could have come up with something a little more revolutionary. This Longhorn looks like a retread of a tired, decade old design.
 
Microsoft developers are completely unfocused. Slipping schedules and a UI that has not changed in over a year spells doom for this release of Windows. A part of me is rejoicing, and another part is just sad.
 
calyxman said:
The bottom line is if you ignore the business segment, you can kiss the market share race goodbye. And I don't think Apple is wrapping its hopes up in the consumer line. Porting iTunes and iPod for Windows practically weakens the argument of convincing someone to switch from Windows to Mac. How about the latest round of iPods released, remember when Apple dropped their own cable Firewire and left USB 2.0 in the package? Was Apple catering to its loyal Mac users when they did that?
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You obviously have not read what ever single business/stock analyst is saying. Porting iTunes to Windows and the iPod have been one of the greatest moves ever by Apple in encouraging the consumer level markets to switch.
 
I smell something rotten at MacRumors.

Is Calyxman talking from his ass?
 
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