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Tiger (Mac OS X 10.4) Details?
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Abstract said:
i agree, i hope apple will make up its mind about the Finder. right now, it's stuck between being a file browser (e.g. windows explorer) and a symbolic representation of files/folders (e.g. OS 9 style Finder).
an example is this: when you change the view (between icon/list/column) and press "back" on the Finder, it goes back to the previous view style. this is useless. "back" should move up a level in the current view, if the Finder is meant to be a browser or shouldn't exist at all if it's a symbolic representation of files/folders.
it's quite frustrating sometime.
10.4 won't be 64-bit
It's extremely unlikely that 10.4 will have native 64-bit support - it won't allow processes to use more than 4 GiB of virtual memory.
Apple has said nothing to its developer community about how one would build 64-bit applications. Describing the 64-bit APIs and providing 64-bit tools to the developers normally precedes the actual release of a 64-bit O/S by a year or more.
Perhaps at the WWDC Apple will begin to describe its roadmap for moving OS X to true 64-bit - but it won't be delivered in 10.4.
What Apple will probably do in 10.4 is to recompile more of the 32-bit O/S with the (32-bit) G5 optimizations enabled. It might also recompile a few things to take advantage of 64-bit integers if the processor supports them (just like some things have AltiVec and a non-AltiVec code today). This will make OSX faster on a G5, but still use 32-bit memory addressing.
Do you have individual applications that need more than 4 GiB to run? Have these applications been ported to 64-bit OSX? Do you have more than 4 GiB of RAM in your system?
If the answer to any of these questions is no, stick with a 32-bit O/S....
rnizlek said:
It's extremely unlikely that 10.4 will have native 64-bit support - it won't allow processes to use more than 4 GiB of virtual memory.
Apple has said nothing to its developer community about how one would build 64-bit applications. Describing the 64-bit APIs and providing 64-bit tools to the developers normally precedes the actual release of a 64-bit O/S by a year or more.
Perhaps at the WWDC Apple will begin to describe its roadmap for moving OS X to true 64-bit - but it won't be delivered in 10.4.
What Apple will probably do in 10.4 is to recompile more of the 32-bit O/S with the (32-bit) G5 optimizations enabled. It might also recompile a few things to take advantage of 64-bit integers if the processor supports them (just like some things have AltiVec and a non-AltiVec code today). This will make OSX faster on a G5, but still use 32-bit memory addressing.
rnizlek said:
Do you have individual applications that need more than 4 GiB to run? Have these applications been ported to 64-bit OSX? Do you have more than 4 GiB of RAM in your system?
If the answer to any of these questions is no, stick with a 32-bit O/S....
JohnStrass said:
expanding on edesignuk's comment...
"you" may want to shut down the computer but others may not. that's why you need an admin override to shut down the computer...
i'm not sure if it would be good for anyone to come by and shut down the computer. this is not a bug. i can see the annoyance but it's more of a security feature.
Maybe Tiger will take advantage of Apple's recent translucency patent? The one where translucency changed depending on things like the window contents updating and recieving user input. That sounded like it had potential!
Speech recognition is history 
Back in 1994, the Quadra 840AV was speech controllable. I know it was not perfect, just for the record.
realityisterror said:what happened to all that hullaballo with 10.4 and speech integration?
it was supposed to be almost fully speech controllable...
reality
Back in 1994, the Quadra 840AV was speech controllable. I know it was not perfect, just for the record.
i wonder if the tiger will use gcc3.3 or the new IBM xl/xlc compilers that were written specifically for the G5 (well okay the 970)?
from what i've read xl/xlc code shows a 30-50% increase in performance over gcc. it should also moot the intel crowd moaning about apple using gcc compilers when benching the G5 against the P4.
from what i've read xl/xlc code shows a 30-50% increase in performance over gcc. it should also moot the intel crowd moaning about apple using gcc compilers when benching the G5 against the P4.
since, those are not enought for us to upgrade, we will have to wait for the big supprise!
Maybe Xcode is intergrated and all the other Unix apps becomes available.
or
Instead of attacking adobe, I think apple should start their own Virtual PC with better intergration.
ps: .mac features should be upgradable regardless of OSX version. So for me that's no new feature. I think for the price you pay for .mac, ishould include at least 500mb of storage.
Maybe Xcode is intergrated and all the other Unix apps becomes available.
or
Instead of attacking adobe, I think apple should start their own Virtual PC with better intergration.
ps:
.mac features should be upgradable regardless of OSX version. So for me that's no new feature. I think for the price you pay for .mac, ishould include at least 500mb of storage.
Go to the terminal and run the following command:JohnStrass said:
"sudo halt now" (no quotermarks).
That'll stop your system dead in its tracks and bring it down cleanly. A "one-line Unix wonder", if you will. Warning: you nor any other logged in users will get a chance to save any outstanding work. The system just kills all applications, and shuts itself down. It doesn't even bother you with FileVault's "space recovery" procedure.
AidenShaw said:
Yeah, if only Apple was so open. The only example I can think of that follows that pattern was VMX, and that came from motorola.
They like to surprise everyone, including developers. It's pretty childish, but look at WWDC - 80 out of 200 sessions are still unannounced. (Well, GOL-LY-GEE, it must be sumptin' great if Apple's doin' it - sher I'll give 'em $1300 to learn about, well, gosh, I don't know).
AidenShaw said:
BAD IDEA.....Windows OS X. Doesn't matter. Modern OSs handled unexpected loss of power better then any previous OS but doing so still leaves the chance open for file corruption.
JohnStrass said:
What does XP do, just discard all unsaved changes without asking? OSX still gives you that as an option, if you're an admin. You wouldn't want a dataloss behavior to be the default.
iChan said:
If Tiger gets the metadata filesystem this could happen. OSX simply doesn't have the plumbing to do this right yet.
ClimbingTheLog said:
Ya know this kind of stunt has to really piss off developers. Who the hell doesn't announce their complete lineup at least a couple months in advance of a conf of any type.
This Apple cloak and dagger crap is wearing thin. I mean really would they be giving away the family secrets if a session was labeled Coding for OS X Tiger - 64-bit APIs and Microsoft knew about it 3 months in advance?
Oh my god! NOOOOOOOOO!
gerrycurl said:
Mono, an open source implementation of the .NET framework, supposedly works on OS X. I tried it a few weeks ago, and it sort of worked. When I tried to run or compile apps that used gtk#, they kept complaining they couldn't find things in the GAC. I'm sure it was something I was doing wrong. So anyways, .NET for OS X is there. Apple might want to add a Cocoa interface so people can make applications with native widgets and use other unique parts of Cocoa, but for the most part, they don't have anything to do.
I don't think Jobs needs to one-up this at all. It's a Microsoft product. It's pretty much a given they copied from Apple anyways. After all, isn't Cocoa/NeXTStep/OpenStep the original object oriented application framework?
I'm expecting alot of major interface changes because apple won't have a major update for a while after ths one.
What an inside tip!
That report was so silly and vague. I can't believe it got front page.
I can give you an inside tip too:
My uncomfirmed sources tell me that Apple will be changing several things in OS X 10.4, codenamed "Tiger". Amongst the changes will be improvements, user interface changes, changes to the Finder, things that go faster, things that look different, different packaging, some new features, something 3D and most exciting of all - some changes to the operating system. There will also be support for new things.
Yay. Now I am an Apple Insider!
That report was so silly and vague. I can't believe it got front page.
I can give you an inside tip too:
My uncomfirmed sources tell me that Apple will be changing several things in OS X 10.4, codenamed "Tiger". Amongst the changes will be improvements, user interface changes, changes to the Finder, things that go faster, things that look different, different packaging, some new features, something 3D and most exciting of all - some changes to the operating system. There will also be support for new things.
Yay. Now I am an Apple Insider!
