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Tiger --> Snow Leopard = $29!!

The actual 10.6 EULA:

C. Leopard Upgrade Licenses. If you have purchased an Upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard license, then subject to the terms and conditions of this License, you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer as long as that computer has a properly licensed copy of Mac OS X Leopard already installed on it. If you have purchased a Family Pack Upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard license, then subject to the terms and conditions of this License, you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on up to a maximum of five (5) Apple-branded computers at a time as long as those computers are located in the same household (as defined above), are used by persons who occupy that same household, and each such computer has a properly licensed copy of Mac OS X Leopard already installed on it. The Family Pack Upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard License does not extend to business or commercial users.to the terms and conditions of this License, you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on up to a maximum of five (5) Apple-branded computers at a time as long as those computers are located in the same household (as defined above), are used by persons who occupy that same household, and each such computer has a properly licensed copy of Mac OS X Leopard already installed on it. The Family Pack Upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard License does not extend to business or commercial users.

http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx106.pdf

I don't know how much clearer Apple can make it. If your a 10.4 Tiger user and you purchased the 10.6 Snow Leopard upgrade for $29, you're in violation of Apple's EULA.

Just because Apple didn't force an upgrade check or some other preventable measure, doesn't excuse the EULA violation.

Whether you care or not, is up to you.

End of story.
 
rustyb99 said:
its not dishonesty or stealing if you are paying for it. Key Words PAYING FOR IT.
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Putting $5 on the counter and walking out with a $100 pair of shoes is both dishonest and stealing, even though you "paid" for it.

A more subtle example: community bookstores that offer a 15% discount to teachers still get paid when someone falsely claims to be a teacher, but the person lying about their affiliation is dishonest and stealing. The liar achieves an undeserved benefit, and the bookstore suffers a loss for its goodwill.
if Apple was really concerned about people doing this they would have put a safeguard on the install discs.
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That's sort of the whole point--they shouldn't have to. You can't say "they should lock it down if they don't want it abused" and then turn around and say "DRM and activation is evil".

It's not really that hard to control yourself. If you don't like the terms or can't afford something, leave it on the shelf. "Oh, it's okay because they're not trying hard enough to stop me" is no excuse at all.
 
jaw04005 said:
The actual 10.6 EULA:

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http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macosx106.pdf

I don't know how much clearer Apple can make it. If your a 10.4 Tiger user and you purchased the 10.6 Snow Leopard upgrade for $29, you're in violation of Apple's EULA.

Just because Apple didn't force an upgrade check or some other preventable measure, doesn't excuse the EULA violation.

Whether you care or not, is up to you.

End of story.
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You do realize that the only Snow Leopard disk labeled with the word "upgrade" is the Snow Leopard disk ($9.95 US) available via the Up-to-Date Program?

The $29 US disk I just received directly from Apple doesn't have the word "upgrade" anywhere on the disk or the packaging.
 
Guys this is not illegal in any way. It is violating the EULA but the EULA can pursue no legal action. If you break the EULA in any way Apple will not come after you. The EULA has no legal backing. It's just what you agree to do to use the software and if you break it you just lose your warranty and license. They can't take the software away or anything
 
if apple really wanted to make the $9.95 and $29 versions install ONLY if you have leopard, then they easily could have. what was stopping them? nothing. they trust the consumer too much.

we dont know how many people pirate mac apps as opposed to buying them. im sure its a greater amount than we all think it is, but as stated, apple really could have put in some code that made snow leopard only install on leopard machines, and made the $169 the full version that can install on any machine. then again, people would bitch and moan about how they have to spend extra on an operating system that "should be free because its like a service pack" and "microsoft gives service packs away for free".

complaints that never end. its life. let people pirate it, pirate it. let people who buy it, feel good about their purchase. people are free to do whatever they want - its up to them to abide by the rules. :)
 
secretanchitman said:
if apple really wanted to make the $9.95 and $29 versions install ONLY if you have leopard, then they easily could have. what was stopping them? nothing. they trust the consumer too much.

we dont know how many people pirate mac apps as opposed to buying them. im sure its a greater amount than we all think it is, but as stated, apple really could have put in some code that made snow leopard only install on leopard machines, and made the $169 the full version that can install on any machine. then again, people would bitch and moan about how they have to spend extra on an operating system that "should be free because its like a service pack" and "microsoft gives service packs away for free".

complaints that never end. its life. let people pirate it, pirate it. let people who buy it, feel good about their purchase. people are free to do whatever they want - its up to them to abide by the rules. :)
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Good grief...

Would someone please post pics or scans of the up-to-date disk and the $29 disk?

The only Snow Leopard disk labeled with the word "upgrade" is the Snow Leopard disk ($9.95 US) available via the Up-to-Date Program. The $29 is not labeled as an "upgrade".

We've heard lots of opinions on the subject, but we've seen no real evidence that the $29 is the "upgrade" disk, as named in the EULA.

If the $29 is indeed the upgrade disk, John Q. Public would likely be unaware of that fact if he/she went into a store to purchase it because it is not labeled as such on the disk or packaging. The "requirements" are listed on the end of the $29 Snow Leopard package, but it does not list an installation of Leopard as a being one of the "requirements".


BTW, I purchased Leopard shortly after it came out, and just purchased Snow Leopard. But someone has to play devil's advocate, don't they?
 
so here's a question to those who call it piracy.

I don't want upgraded ilife or iwork. Don't use em now, don't care. But I want an upgraded OS.

Can't buy Leopard anymore. So what are my options besides being forced to spend $169 for software I don't want?
 
ipoddin said:
so here's a question to those who call it piracy.

I don't want upgraded ilife or iwork. Don't use em now, don't care. But I want an upgraded OS.

Can't buy Leopard anymore. So what are my options besides being forced to spend $169 for software I don't want?
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Go to you nearest retailer offering the $29 Snow Leopard package and read the "requirements" listed on the box, which are as follows:

Mac computer with an Intel processor
1G of RAM
DVD drive for installation
5 GB of available disk space

Nowhere on that box will you find the word "upgrade" printed nor will you find a statement saying "previous installation of Leopard required".
 
i've just confirmed with a client that they can upgrade their 3 tiger macs to SL for just $29 - but it's 'morally' wrong.

the cfo said well F-Apple, do it..., :eek: Lol!! *don't shoot the messenger* ;)
 
jaw04005 said:
The actual 10.6 EULA:

C. Leopard Upgrade Licenses. If you have purchased an Upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard license, then subject to the terms and conditions of this License, you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer as long as that computer has a properly licensed copy of Mac OS X Leopard already installed on it
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Does that mean that if you want to reinstall Snow Leopard, you must first reinstall Leopard? It violates the EULA to do a clean install of 10.6?
 
i think apple did the right thing by not sinking more money into security just for installing this software. from what i've heard SL was on the net over a week now, its so easy for people to get these software now.

when was leopard release, years ago, how many people upgraded from tiger over the years, i would think a lot, so for a apple to send money on software only the intel mac can use knowing how much software vs mac that were sold over the years, am sure they wont loose sleep over some people buying the $29 ver,. as for downloading SL, thats a different story.. apple is not crying so why should any of us care.. am still bored with all these SL threads...
 
LoganT said:
There's one thing I don't think people understand. You can't upgrade from Tiger to Snow Leopard. You can go into disk utility and format your main drive and install Snow Leopard that way. But then you are going to have to redo your entire computer. The only way to install Snow Leopard from Tiger is to do a fresh install.
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Can I just confirm, does that mean you have to format your hard drive whether you buy the £25 or £129 box set? or does the box set somehow convert Tiger to Snow Leopard without having to reinstall everything?

Has anyone here actually tried iLife or iWork programmes from Tiger on Snow Leopard? Surely they would still run.

I think £129 is a fair price, but just a little frustrating for those of us who has already upgraded iLife 09 and don't use iWork at all.
 
hellodean said:
Can I just confirm, does that mean you have to format your hard drive whether you buy the £25 or £129 box set? or does the box set somehow convert Tiger to Snow Leopard without having to reinstall everything?

Has anyone here actually tried iLife or iWork programmes from Tiger on Snow Leopard? Surely they would still run.

I think £129 is a fair price, but just a little frustrating for those of us who has already upgraded iLife 09 and don't use iWork at all.
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if you have upgraded to iLife 09 then you must have Leopard already as its required for ilife 09?

And yes the £29 will upgrade install over a Tiger installation, and clean install, there have been many threads on this subject already.
 
You are right, I am dim, I just checked and I have leopard on my macbook and tiger on my imac, I thought it was panther on the old one (which I don't really use) and tiger on this one. HA! Well that solves that.

And I'm pretty sure my old imac isn't intel based so no upgrade for that machine!!

Apologies.
 
Well putting the drama to side lets talk instillation, can the $29 disc do a simple upgrade or must it be a clean install? I really don't want to have to put all my music and videos back on the computer, I would prefer to do an upgrade if possible. Anyone know?
 
$29 is legal for Tiger users

It is *not true* that the $29 package gives you the Leopard Upgrade license. The $29 package gives you the full Single Use license, which makes no requirement of prior OS X versions. See the 10.6 wikipedia article (license section) for the details and evidence.

Therefore *under the EULA* Tiger users may legally install the $29 package.
 
blackberrypie said:
It is *not true* that the $29 package gives you the Leopard Upgrade license. The $29 package gives you the full Single Use license, which makes no requirement of prior OS X versions. See the 10.6 wikipedia article (license section) for the details and evidence.

Therefore *under the EULA* Tiger users may legally install the $29 package.
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Good find, maybe it will put all those Tiger-hatin' naysayers to bed now :apple:
 
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