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The irony in a Chinese company trying to use the US Constitution to save itself... I don't necessarily agree with the method of trying to get them to divest, but their reaction is amusing.

Well, that’s the price we pay to be an open and free democracy. We play by rules.
 
Those are different since they weren’t actively scooping your private data. The issue with TikTok isn’t its content.
Sort of. Also part of the issue is that TikTok is a fad that mostly young people are obsessed with, while many older American cannot understand the obsession. Like comic books in the 1950’s and video games in the 1980’s.

The privacy concerns are shared with Facebook Instagram Snapchat etc

The foreign influence concerns are shared with Telegram

But the current government obsession seems to be just about TikTok
 
Sort of. Also part of the issue is that TikTok is a fad that mostly young people are obsessed with, while many older American cannot understand the obsession. Like comic books in the 1950’s and video games in the 1980’s.

The privacy concerns are shared with Facebook Instagram Snapchat etc

The foreign influence concerns are shared with Telegram

But the current government obsession seems to be just about TikTok

Right. The emotional angle is being used in a similarly cynical way to frighten clueless parents and grandparents. But the actual underlying issue with the app is not the content it carries.
 
Multiple things can be true at once. Also, I feel like I've seen this "using social media to manipulate response for political agendas" tactic before... oh yes! it was from the democrats. I think if the tech companies were honestly held responsible for their "meddling" in political or foreign affairs issues, they'd all be shut down. But we all know that won't happen. The gate seems to swing only one way these days.
Multiple things can be true at once and Romney specifically said they’re banning TikTok because they can’t control the pro-Palestine sentiment it generates.

As you say, all of those social media companies are meddling with politics, but only TikTok is being targeted. Even if the spyware allegations are true, you have two high ranking politicians saying that it’s political content that is causing them to ban the app, and that is a clear violation of the first amendment. Like I said, they gave the game away.

The correct way to address any concerns is to pass a law that prohibits "data sharing" of any kind by anyone. The law might say that information about a person belongs to that person. A law like that could solve all the problems but Google and Facebook would fight it to the end. All we Americans can hope for is that such a law gets passed in Europe

Further evidence that the focus on TikTok is political theater. The real danger is the way that apps and websites and our cars and our fridges collect gargantuan amounts of data on us which can then be freely sold through data brokers to the highest bidder. The US also buys data from data brokers: https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/p...-from-data-brokers-violating-recent-ftc-order. There is nothing stopping these data brokers from selling to the CCP or any foreign government.

So the issue here isn’t data collection or spyware. If it were, the conversation would span the entire tech industry because it’s pervasive. The laser focus on TikTok makes it clear that this is politically motivated above and beyond the claims of data safety.

It’s laughable how many people have bought into the obvious facade that TikTok is being banned because of data safety. The orientalism in this country is off the charts.
 
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This will likely go to SCOTUS in the end.

Bank it.

(Bytedance will likely lose this case, but then question becomes will China retaliate, say by banning ALL Apple products outright)
They will lose but China won't retaliate against Apple, it would be a spiting in the sky moment. Apple manufactures in China, China will not hurt that partnership.
 
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Sorry China but despite Biden's willingness to let you spy on us, Congress has more common sense and has rightly told you to **** off.
I’m not voting for Biden…but how do you think government works? This bill was worked on by Democrats and Republicans, they were equally excited to limit freedom of speech.

But..you realize anything done by congress is irrelevant without the President—right?
 
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This will likely go to SCOTUS in the end.

Bank it.

(Bytedance will likely lose this case, but then question becomes will China retaliate, say by banning ALL Apple products outright)
They wouldn't want to do that then they loose all the manufacturing there, would hurt their economy even more then.
 
China can ban outright any US company from China (ie Meta, YouTube, Instagram, etc), but yet when we do the same the Chinese get upset.

Make you a deal, China: unban our companies and I will support unbanning yours.
So..you’re saying that we’re totalitarian like China?

Rather aggressive self own.
 
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The fact that China doesn't even allow this app in their country is enough justification itself imo. There are so many reasons TikTok just needs to go away but this is obviously a big one to take it out of China's hands. Let China run their own apps and the US run theirs, I am fine with that.
 
The fact that China doesn't even allow this app in their country is enough justification itself imo. There are so many reasons TikTok just needs to go away but this is obviously a big one to take it out of China's hands. Let China run their own apps and the US run theirs, I am fine with that.
This is such odd logic. First, there is a version of TikTok that exists in China (or at least an app owned and run by ByteDance that has the same functionality as TikTok even if the name is different), and the reason for that is fairly obvious. China doesn't want its population to have uncontrolled access to western media, and having TikTok would give people access to western content creators, which is also why all the other social networks are banned and the nationwide Chinese firewall exists.

Second, what is your argument here? Why do you think China doesn't allow TikTok? It can't be because it's spyware because if it were it would be Chinese spyware and the CCP has zero issue with their own spying. If you think China has banned TikTok because TikTok is data mining for private purposes then you should be using China's banning of Meta apps and Twitter as arguments to ban those apps in the US as well, because they do as much data mining as TikTok.

So, which is it?
 
In case you all missed it, Romney already gave the game away and admitted that the ban happened to curb pro-Palestine sentiment: https://www.axios.com/local/salt-la...blinken-tiktok-ban-israel-palestinian-content

Turns out all of that posturing about national security was BS that politicians sold to the American public to justify their blatantly unconstitutional actions!

That's not what he said. Nor would it matter, since Romney had no hand in writing the bill.
 
Everyone keeps trumpeting the First Amendment (and the 2nd on MR😉). Poor Fourth Amendment gets no love.😠 I don't want TikTok to illegally search my device. Full Stop!😤

Force TikTok to remove all unnecessary permissions. Why would it need access to your locations, what other apps are running, install packages🤬 (no, just no), and automatically load itself up for? Permissions requirements should be bare minimum.

I don't have TikTok installed, thank the Lawd. I've got no dog in this fight, but I will die on this hill on principle alone.🤨

The Fourth Amendment restrains the federal and state government from unlawful searches and seizures, not private companies.
 
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