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Yeah, Congress should totally "level the playing field" and let any and every company track our physical location 24/7 without our knowledge or consent!
 
So the market leader wants corrupt politicians (redundant) to shut down the competition so they stay market leader forever and approach monopoly. Just like Spotify! Don’t give these crooks a single dime I hope Tile goes out of business
I agree it’s one thing if you wanna make a good product but I don’t believe tile does. I think they’re owning from a greedy stand
 
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My phone is my phone, letting other developers make things for my phone isn't "making money off Apple's infrastructure", especially if they aren't using any of Apple's hosted services to do it. Which, I may remind you, most of these guys are saying they don't want to do.
The phone is in your hands, but how you can use it was spelled out in the End User Licensing Agreement that you agreed to. Rule of thumb, if there’s an EULA, then you’re an End User Agreeing to the License.

BUT it’s not my fault folks don’t read those agreements. I feel that far more people should read them, though.
 
Epic is their own problem. I think their game has really slipped since their fight with Apple updates just seemed recycled. Plus there business model is to take money from children to make money
I'm not referring to Fortnite. I'm talking about Unreal Engine, which is widely used in the Game / Film industry.
 
I'd just like to know how I can opt out of having my phone be a random beacon for other people's lost items. Apple likes to tout "privacy is a fundamental right". I'm going to guess you can't.

Me too. I would also like to know how to opt out.
Did you guys get your Find My network turned off ok like I showed in my other post? If you need any help just message me. 😉
 
I think there's a reasonability that can be met that won't get people frustrated.

from a payment processor point of view, not a single one generally takes more than 1-5% for their fees. Mastercard and VISA are the most popular and still take 2-3% at point of sale.

I don't think anyone would be angry at Apple for a moderate transaction fee to cover payment processing and other small expenses related. it would still be profitable for Apple.

what people get frustrated with is 30%. that's a lot. especially when it's enough to eliminate any profit entirely from the app or service in question. And when you're then competing against apple directly when they don't pay the 30% it's absolutely an uneven playing field that Apple has created to limit the reachability and profitability of competing products


Looking at Spotify as an example. for every single user who subscribed through the App Store, Spotify must give Apple 30% of that. (I think it's 15% after first year). that means from your 9.99 subscription, $3 goes to Apple's revenues and only 6.99 goes to Spotify.

Apple comes in years later and puts their competing product at 9.99. So now Apple receives 9.99 revenues for their product, and Spotify only receives 6.99. that is anti-comeptitive abuse of their monopolistic position as the only app store allowed on iOS

there are numerous ways this could be easily mitigated to not appear anti-trust or monopolistic. Even with leaving the App store monopoly intact. Apple could remove all fees related to products it directly competes against. it can grossly even just reduce them to normal "payment processor" fees of 5ish%

but the idea that apple has done absolutely nothing wrong and isn't acting in an uncompetitive manner has no basis in reality.

You are clever with words. But to suggest that Mastercard services are equivalent to the App Store is either a profound lack of understanding or a deliberate misrepresentation to support your view. I tend to think you know better.

Similarly to suggest Spotify is in the same business is misleading and conveniently leaves out that Apple users can and do use Spotify's service outside of the App Store by enrolling on Spotify's site. Does Spotify send people to Apple Music on their website? Why not! The outrage.

More telling of your intentional bias is not what you list, but what you leave out. The App Store charges LESS than what traditional vendors do. You will say, well those folks have additional costs. Yep and the App Store has additional costs to either Mastercard or Spotify. You bring up a lot of markets that are not relevant, but neglect to bring up the one market that IS relevant. And that is similar app stores on competitor's platforms. What do they charge? Oh wait. the same.

Anti-trust, monopolistic, nice words. Why should we trust arguments that don't look at all the sides?
 
So their services are now dead in the water on iOS, and they would have to compete based on physical features like i.e. better form factors and price, where competition is fierce.
Ok, so I haven’t searched the web for trackers as I wasn’t even interested in trackers before AirTags was a thing. However, Tile’s solutions look good, are there any other trackers that have more varied form factors AND lower prices AND similar service?

My assumption was that, just from being in the market longer than most others, they would have at least SOME advantage on form factors.
 
APPLE has absolute power over the iPhone they made, just like I have absolute power over the clay pot I made 20 years ago. I MIGHT let you use my clay pot for free, but chances are I’m going to charge you $50 per day. Don’t like it? Don’t use my clay pot.
Do you apply that warped logic to all the products you buy or just the ones from your beloved Apple?
 
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The phone is in your hands, but how you can use it was spelled out in the End User Licensing Agreement that you agreed to. Rule of thumb, if there’s an EULA, then you’re an End User Agreeing to the License.

BUT it’s not my fault folks don’t read those agreements. I feel that far more people should read them, though.

It's definitely a good idea to read them, but it doesn't mean everything that it's written there from the point of view of contract law actually stands. Depending on the country's legislation an EULA's mileage may vary a lot.
 
Let me get this straight - The majority of opinions seem to show:

Tile was fine - until Apple made a product - and now Tile is the enemy.

Intel was amazing, best thing ever "RIP PPC" - until Apple made the M1 - and now Intel is garbage, worst product on the market.

Epic was fine - until they decided that they didn't want to pay Apple 30% of their revenue - Now Epic can go to hell (even though a ton of games / movie studios use their products to create the entertainment that most people here consume).

Spotify was a wonderful streaming service - until Apple Music came along and Spotify cried foul - Now Spotify is the worst thing out there.

I could go on an on with examples from this forum. I can't wait to see what the next product that gets ditched by the Apple Beloved is.
Tile was not fine, tracking worked half the time, battery notifications never worked and you only found out months later when you needed it, beeping functionality didn't always work, etc. I know, I have been using Tile for years. Not saying that Apple tags are better since I have not used those, but Tile could use a lot of improvements.

Intel was "amazing" maybe in the 90s? Personally I think Intel is fine, not garbage, but the M1 is definitely better (I have a couple of Intel Macbook Pro and a new M1, and not only is M1 performing better, it is dead silent and has never heated up so far compared to the other two).

Epic was fine, until they started being extremely shady with this crusade against Apple. I find their behavior childish at best. We can't hold this against them because they were fine before? And that goes in general for any of this, just because a company was "fine" in the past, if they become stagnant and don't improve, and a new competitor comes along doing it better, you should definitely hold that against the old company.
 
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Did you guys get your Find My network turned off ok like I showed in my other post? If you need any help just message me. 😉
I found it but couldn’t see any option to turn off or opt out of finding AirTags. It seems to be a find everything or find nothing option. I can’t say I’m surprised. Apple insist I opt in or opt out of ad tracking for every single app but are quite happy for Apple to track me without any way of refining it. As always with Apple it’s do as I say not as I do.
 
Let me get this straight - The majority of opinions seem to show:

Tile was fine - until Apple made a product - and now Tile is the enemy.

Intel was amazing, best thing ever "RIP PPC" - until Apple made the M1 - and now Intel is garbage, worst product on the market.

Epic was fine - until they decided that they didn't want to pay Apple 30% of their revenue - Now Epic can go to hell (even though a ton of games / movie studios use their products to create the entertainment that most people here consume).

Spotify was a wonderful streaming service - until Apple Music came along and Spotify cried foul - Now Spotify is the worst thing out there.

I could go on an on with examples from this forum. I can't wait to see what the next product that gets ditched by the Apple Beloved is.
To be fair, some of the folks that said RIP PPC are RIP’ing themselves right now. I doubt they’re posting how Intel is garbage.
 
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I’m confused. It looks like tile has been working on an UWB tile for awhile.
And the U1 specification will be available later this spring according to:
Tile currently has access to join Find My, but they’ve decided not to. And as far as complaining to Apple about Find My since 2019- Find My just gained the capability to track items 4 weeks ago. This is the time that it became a tile competitor, not in 2019. Tile is acting like it’s been around since 2019. This was only a find my friends and find my iPhone merge.- Basically a name change for services that have been around for 10 years.
So is the real complaint that people aren’t going to pay a subscription to tile for the features that Apple gives for free?
 
Is it not more like Apple bringing out earphones that used a specific wireless protocol, and wouldn't allow other companies to also use the same functionality if they also wanted to use their own, additional connection methods?
Apple DID introduce Spatial Audio which is an Apple only thing. They also have the M1 chip which is Apple only. I don’t think Bose or Sony or any of the others is concerned in the least.
 
Translation: “We’re pissed that Apple disrupted our monopoly so now we’re gonna get the FTC to hurt them.”
So the market leader wants corrupt politicians (redundant) to shut down the competition so they stay market leader forever and approach monopoly. Just like Spotify! Don’t give these crooks a single dime I hope Tile goes out of business
Wait… TILE HAD A MONOPOLY ON THE TILE NETWORK!!! They have GOT to be broken up, because they’ve got a 100% monopoly on the hardware and network they built! Glad you caught this!
 
Literally the entire market would stop ANY company from making a new phone and os.
Agreed. They stopped Microsoft from doing it even though they had a good UI that was genuinely different from iOS and Android. Developers really don’t want the added expense and overheads of building mobile apps for more than two operating systems if they can avoid it.
 
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I found it but couldn’t see any option to turn off or opt out of finding AirTags. It seems to be a find everything or find nothing option. I can’t say I’m surprised. Apple insist I opt in or opt out of ad tracking for every single app but are quite happy for Apple to track me without any way of refining it. As always with Apple it’s do as I say not as I do.
So you want to be able to leave Find My on for your iPhone so you can take advantage of the network if needed. But you don't want to allow others to use your iPhone to help themselves if they lose an item with an AirTag. How nice.
 
I can see where they are coming from. But they have the entire Android market at their disposal. Why can’t they hook up with Google or Samsung and create a decent tracker for the other 71%.
They probably will do that because Apple doesn’t want any competition so they will just shut them out until they give up and leave. Of course that cuts both ways becuase if Tile goes you will have little or no choice but to choose the AirTags. In the end the people who loose the most are Apple users because we have less choice and higher prices.
 
Do you apply that warped logic to all the products you buy or just the ones from your beloved Apple?
Pretty much, across the board. Things I like, I spend money on. Things I don’t like, OR I don’t like the agreement on, I don’t spend money on. When I wanted Microsoft Office, I bought it. When I wanted a Playstation 5, I bought it. When I found out that Nintendo games aren’t allowed on Sony’s platforms… well it wasn’t a surprise. I bought a Switch for that anyway. Wasn’t really interested in the Xbox, so I bought it and then complained about the money I was…. nah, I just didn’t buy it. I had Xfinity, then they raised the price. So, I just kept paying the old price because there’s no way they were getting mo…. nah, when I wasn’t good with the agreement, I canceled the service.

When I wanted a house BOY that was a long process, but it’s done now. I wanted to pay less for it, like $5, but I was informed that I couldn’t buy a house like the one I wanted for that much. So, I bought the house at the agreed price BUT just just didn’t pay more than $5. I immediately filed a lawsuit indicating that the house was never worth that… just kidding, I paid the price that I thought was fair.

It’s interesting that “Common Sense” is now considered “warped logic”.
 
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