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One advantage here for Tile is that Amazon has a real assistant who actually knows what she/he is talking about. Apple has Siri. :D
You’re dreaming. I have both Alexa and Siri and they both have problems listening or producing the correct results. I just love how people pretend Alexa is so perfect just to give reason to trash Siri. SMH.
 
I've used Tiles for several years. Mainly to find my stuff in my home. It worked well. However, I'll probably move to AirTags. As I this this is the death knell for Tiles. Which is too bad. I'm not too fond of the manner in which you attach it to things. My Tile tends to get squeezed in my pocket by my keyring/keys. It sets off my iPhone/iPad alarm. Will AirTags do this?

Finally I can't see the non-mobile Echo/Rings as effective as AirTabs in locating lost items, as the AirTags which depend on many, many, more Apple mobile devices.
 
The Tile CEO said he welcomes competition from Apple but wants a level playing field. That sounds reasonable to me.
Yeah, but a CEO’s idea of ‘level’ isn’t the same one you learned growing up. To them ‘level’ means ‘heavily slanted in my favor.’

You could write an entire dictionary for corporate speak, possibly an entire language.

Imagine certain words changing meanings depending on POV.

Right: 1. (Used in first person)
in accordance with accepted standards of moral or legal behaviour, justice, et
2. (Used in second or third person) a fictional buzzword used by marketing to generate revenue

Privacy: 1. (Used in first person) legal authority to keep certain information from becoming public.
2. (second or third person) information that is more valuable to sell to affiliates to generate revenue.
privacy is a ‘right’ (see above)

and so on
 
So why doesn't tile allow its trackers to be used on the findMy network? Is it a hardware thing? So what if users ditch the premium paid app from tile, shouldn't that be their choice? It sounds like tile is taking choice away from its customers instead of expanding it. They could always join Samsung trackers, everyone is always saying how Samsung sells so many phones. Oh wait, their trackers only work with Samsung phones, snap
Because the network and the platform is where the value is. The hardware is a one of sale and not that profitable. Without the Tile network, there is no barrier to entry, and there is no competitive edge. So, price will be dictated by the perfectly competitive market, thus, no Economic profit can be made, only accounting profit.
 
I do think Apple is abusing its position by introducing a competing product and not opening up its SDK so there’s a level playing field. That’s a bad look.

On the other hand I got a 4 pack of Air Tags and really like them. I’ve got one on my key ring, one in my wallet, one in my laptop case and am hanging onto one until the adhesive Air Tag container I pre-ordered arrives so I can stick it on a remote my wife seems to be able to lose on a daily basis somewhere in our love seat or coach.
I’m a bit confused… Apple DID open the SDK BEFORE introducing AirTags. In fact I think it is why they held AirTags back — they wanted to be seen as playing fair and opening up the third party SDK before they introduced their own product. Mind you, that AirTags are shipping before most competing products because third parties can only move so fast to adopt the new SDK.

I personally think that they should publicly introduce new SDK’s like this at WWDC each year with a few partners being given early access and then wait to introduce their first party products until the late fall at the earliest. This would help a lot with their image.

With GPS navigation they opened up the capability when they introduced the iPhone 3GS and Tomtom was their early access partner but NAVIGON was first to market with a GPS navigation app and Tomtom had many issues getting their’s released. It took years for first party navigation to come to iPhone via Apple Maps in iOS 6. Too bad NAVIGON got bought by Garmin and then discontinued their iOS app a few years ago. That app let you download maps by state/province or country and no need for cellular to get GPS nav functionality.
 
Well, same with AirTags and Apple, but I trust Apple more. BUT I also don't care – I've got Ring stuff anyway.
The likelihood that Apple monetizes on where/how you spend your live is pretty small... But yes at the end it's about trusting and caring.
 
I've used Tiles for several years. Mainly to find my stuff in my home. It worked well. However, I'll probably move to AirTags. As I this this is the death knell for Tiles. Which is too bad. I'm not too fond of the manner in which you attach it to things. My Tile tends to get squeezed in my pocket by my keyring/keys. It sets off my iPhone/iPad alarm. Will AirTags do this?

Finally I can't see the non-mobile Echo/Rings as effective as AirTabs in locating lost items, as the AirTags which depend on many, many, more Apple mobile devices.

There is no button on an airtag so it cannot set off your iphone alarm.
 
No one -- not even Tile -- claimed that Apple has a monopoly.

yeah totally :D

oh wait, you were serious?

well then...

"Apple does not need to take advantage of its monopoly position, the App Store and the iPhone, [or] enable advantages that only they can partake in," continued [Tile CEO CJ] Prober. "They can make those [platform] advantages available to all companies so we can compete on a level playing field."

that's just five seconds in Google and just specifically Tile. But I don't know, maybe you've been asleep for the last year and missed all the news on the lawsuit with Epic, the US Senate hearings, the EU probes, the misnamed industry group The Coalition for App Fairness, various failed state legislative efforts, etc, etc....
 
It's a reasonable move for Tile.... until suddenly in 2022, both Ring and Amazon will also announce their own "Tile/AirTags copycat Finder Gadgets", which then will take priority integration (over Tile) within their own location networks.

Then what's Tile gonna do? File more anti-trust lawsuits against Amazon and Ring? LOL.
 
It's a reasonable move for Tile.... until suddenly in 2022, both Ring and Amazon will also announce their own "Tile/AirTags copycat Finder Gadgets", which then will take priority integration (over Tile) within their own location networks.

Then what's Tile gonna do? File more anti-trust lawsuits against Amazon and Ring? LOL.

Most likely this is a prelude to amazon buying tile. It would seem to fit in nicely with amazon‘s business - they could shove trackers in all sorts of “amazon basics” junk they sell, and integrate it with alexa, echos, etc. Kindles could have it built in, etc. etc.
 
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One advantage here for Tile is that Amazon has a real assistant who actually knows what she/he is talking about. Apple has Siri. :D
I’m fine with Siri. I have never really had an issue unless I ask her some esoteric question that I know she can’t answer anyway.
 
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Yeah, but a CEO’s idea of ‘level’ isn’t the same one you learned growing up. To them ‘level’ means ‘heavily slanted in my favor.’
Let me ask you. If you were to sell your MacBook or even a car. Would you want it to be a "level" (CEO version) playing field where you make a profit selling your product or do you want a "level" playing field where you're being the good guy and selling your Mac or car for far less than you expected and you don't make a profit? After all you DID make sale still and your customer got the deal they wanted right?
 
Yeah, but a CEO’s idea of ‘level’ isn’t the same one you learned growing up. To them ‘level’ means ‘heavily slanted in my favor.’

You could write an entire dictionary for corporate speak, possibly an entire language.

Imagine certain words changing meanings depending on POV.

Right: 1. (Used in first person)
in accordance with accepted standards of moral or legal behaviour, justice, et
2. (Used in second or third person) a fictional buzzword used by marketing to generate revenue

Privacy: 1. (Used in first person) legal authority to keep certain information from becoming public.
2. (second or third person) information that is more valuable to sell to affiliates to generate revenue.
privacy is a ‘right’ (see above)

and so on
Tim Cook is no better.
 
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I doubt Tile was providing any sort of meaningful competition that would spur Apple on anyways.

My suspicion is that Apple started designing Airtags due to their own internal research / feedback showing the numerous problems tile hardware (and software) was causing for their users. However, Apple isn't doing this to muscle in on Tile's turf just because.

Rather, what Apple is doing is lay the groundwork for eventually digitizing our non-smart devices by making them visible in location layers. AR applications will be able to utilize these location layers since they will serve as a foundation for adding context to our surroundings. In this context, it doesn't matter which brand of tracker you use so long as it feeds into the "find my" network. Either way, Apple wins.

Once that is established, release AR glasses and the wearables market is pretty much in the bag for Apple.

What Tile will likely end up doing (assuming it stays in business) will be to continue appealing to android users (pretty much the Pebble Playbook). We will then see a similar Apple Watch vs Pebble / Fitbit dynamic play out, where airtags become the default choice for iOS users, and Tile for Android users, with neither crossing paths ever again because they are each effectively targeting completely different markets.

But because tile trackers are effectively an end in themselves, rather than a means to an end (ie: AR glasses), this may also be as far as they go. Tile will never have the resources to build their own "find my" network the way Apple has. My guess is that they eventually get acquired by either Google or Amazon eventually, and this antitrust lawsuit from them gets tossed out the window.
Your comment is interesting and I agree with much of it.

I find it very odd Apple did not add some type of AR implementation for when you are physically searching for the item.

Instead, Apple sort of blurs the background before giving you a green background and screen when the item is close.

Why not an AR overlay of where the network "sees" your item?

Why is the Series 6 Watch and HP Mini not acting as locaters? They have a U1 chip and I think they would "see" your item and the Tag.

Perhaps just early days and Apple is already working on this for WWDC. Such low hanging fruit.
 
Your comment is interesting and I agree with much of it.

I find it very odd Apple did not add some type of AR implementation for when you are physically searching for the item.

Instead, Apple sort of blurs the background before giving you a green background and screen when the item is close.

Why not an AR overlay of where the network "sees" your item?

Why is the Series 6 Watch and HP Mini not acting as locaters? They have a U1 chip and I think they would "see" your item and the Tag.

Perhaps just early days and Apple is already working on this for WWDC. Such low hanging fruit.

There were rumors, and even alleged screenshots, showing an AR interface where a balloon indicated the location of the airtag. No idea why they backed away from It - perhaps it didn’t work so well.
 
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It's like a who's who of companies I would not trust with my private data.
Amazon for obvious reasons, Tile for being a dishonest company selling a crappy product and Ring for all the crap they've pulled like warrantless access to video doorbells.

There's a reason I continue to entrench further with Apple, they offer better products with a major focus on privacy.
 
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now tile are going to get an improved network. Are they going to introduce anti stalking features?
 
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