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Honestly if they came up with this anytime within the last two years of AirTag rumors, I wouldn’t have bought airtags. I already have tiles… But I switched already.
 
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i will continue to use my tile devices instead of airtags.

if I didn’t have tile I’d give airtags a shot, but they don’t do anything that makes me want to switch for my use cases.
 
Have they said they are not making future ones find my compatible? Seems like a no-brainer for any of these devices. I can see FindMy capability being built directly into car key fobs and tons of other products as well.
FindMy network is not a free and open source project. It’s a proprietary ecosystem. You must apply for MFI certification and pay royalties to Apple.
 
So why doesn't tile allow its trackers to be used on the findMy network?
Because Tile charges for their cloud tracking services, while Find My is toll free. There won’t be any single iOS user subscribing Tile’s service anymore if they make it Find My compatible.
 
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Most likely this is a prelude to amazon buying tile. It would seem to fit in nicely with amazon‘s business - they could shove trackers in all sorts of “amazon basics” junk they sell, and integrate it with alexa, echos, etc. Kindles could have it built in, etc. etc.
Ah yes, an Amazon acquisition of Tile is a logical development. Then again, once a corporate giant like AMZN buys out Tile, doesn't that invalidate Tile's petty "Apple-is-a-monopolistic-bully" anti-trust claims?
 
God I love capitalism and freemarket economics.

Of course, it all falls to pieces when something bad happens. We have 7m people in the UK who are being paid by the state to stay at home. Capitalism doesn’t do that.

Free markets are largely a myth. Regulation is a thing. For very good reasons.
 


Amazon today announced that it is teaming up with Tile to add Amazon Sidewalk integration to Tile's Bluetooth trackers. Amazon Sidewalk, for those unfamiliar, is a network of Amazon Bluetooth devices that's designed to improve the connectivity of devices like the Ring and Amazon Echo.

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Tile will now be joining Amazon Sidewalk, and through this integration, Amazon Echo and Ring devices will be able to extend Tile's network coverage to help Tile users locate their lost items.

Tile users will also get the benefit of Amazon Alexa, and those with Alexa-enabled devices can say "Alexa, find my [item]" to have their Tile device start ringing. Multiple in-home Echo devices will allow misplaced items to be found faster around the house, and Tile CEO CJ Prober says the technology will also be useful outside the home.With Amazon Sidewalk, Tile will be able to better compete against AirTags, which are able to take advantage of the Find My network. The Find My network uses hundreds of millions of Apple devices to help locate lost AirTags, allowing them to be found when not in Bluetooth range of an owner's device.

Tile has a similar feature called the Tile Network that takes advantage of other Tile users who have a Tile app, but there are nowhere near as many Tile users out in the wild as there are Apple users, which gave Apple a significant edge. There are, however, tons of Ring and Amazon Echo devices to bolster Tile's network, though people are not carrying these devices with them so it's still more limited than the Find My network.

Tile will join Amazon Sidewalk starting on June 14.

Article Link: Tile to Leverage Amazon Echo and Ring Devices to Better Compete With AirTags
Hope Amazon doesn’t charge them! That would be SO anti-business! SO Apple! Would necessitate the Congress critters getting involved. Sarc. Wonder how much MSM ‘Play’ this will get?????
 
I’m assuming that Amazon will release their own tracker in the future, so this honeymoon may be short.
Perhaps they are hoping Amazon will buy them now that they are already integrated with Amazon devices.
 
Ah yes, an Amazon acquisition of Tile is a logical development. Then again, once a corporate giant like AMZN buys out Tile, doesn't that invalidate Tile's petty "Apple-is-a-monopolistic-bully" anti-trust claims?
I don’t know, because i don’t understand tile’s argument - my understanding is that apple does not favor it’s own trackers, apple allows competitors to make trackers that use the find my network, etc.
 


Amazon today announced that it is teaming up with Tile to add Amazon Sidewalk integration to Tile's Bluetooth trackers. Amazon Sidewalk, for those unfamiliar, is a network of Amazon Bluetooth devices that's designed to improve the connectivity of devices like the Ring and Amazon Echo.

tile-amazon-sidewalk-integration.jpg

Tile will now be joining Amazon Sidewalk, and through this integration, Amazon Echo and Ring devices will be able to extend Tile's network coverage to help Tile users locate their lost items.

Tile users will also get the benefit of Amazon Alexa, and those with Alexa-enabled devices can say "Alexa, find my [item]" to have their Tile device start ringing. Multiple in-home Echo devices will allow misplaced items to be found faster around the house, and Tile CEO CJ Prober says the technology will also be useful outside the home.With Amazon Sidewalk, Tile will be able to better compete against AirTags, which are able to take advantage of the Find My network. The Find My network uses hundreds of millions of Apple devices to help locate lost AirTags, allowing them to be found when not in Bluetooth range of an owner's device.

Tile has a similar feature called the Tile Network that takes advantage of other Tile users who have a Tile app, but there are nowhere near as many Tile users out in the wild as there are Apple users, which gave Apple a significant edge. There are, however, tons of Ring and Amazon Echo devices to bolster Tile's network, though people are not carrying these devices with them so it's still more limited than the Find My network.

Tile will join Amazon Sidewalk starting on June 14.

Article Link: Tile to Leverage Amazon Echo and Ring Devices to Better Compete With AirTags
Tile are persuing a strange scorched earth policy, going up against Apple won't end well. Cutting off their nose to spite their face, cya!
 
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Now that Tile is improving its tracking network, and has much weaker anti-stalking protections than AirTags, surely we’ll see a flurry of articles in the next 24 hours about how Tiles are going to be abused by stalkers.

*Crickets chirping…*
 
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Well, same with AirTags and Apple, but I trust Apple more. BUT I also don't care – I've got Ring stuff anyway.
Nope. The Find My network is completely anonymous, so Apple has no idea where you are. The Amazon Ring network is not only not anonymous, but provides the data to 3rd parties and to government agencies with no warrant.
 
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I’m assuming that Amazon will release their own tracker in the future, so this honeymoon may be short.
Based on Amazon’s business model for stuff like the Echo, I wouldn’t hold my breath. They don’t likely make much, or anything, on a lot of their hardware. It’s seems to be about ubiquity and market share for them, to ultimately boost Amazon shopping sales.
 
Let me ask you. If you were to sell your MacBook or even a car. Would you want it to be a "level" (CEO version) playing field where you make a profit selling your product or do you want a "level" playing field where you're being the good guy and selling your Mac or car for far less than you expected and you don't make a profit? After all you DID make sale still and your customer got the deal they wanted right?
Your question isn't a completely accurate model. Let me help you out.

You are selling your car. It has a fair market value of $5000. You list it for $5500 to get some breathing room in negotiations. You absolutely need the $5000 to finance your next car. Are you happy to get $5500, or even $5000 (level as in fair)?

Or, do you insist on going over your potentials customer's financials until you are 100% certain that you have emptied his bank account, forced him to borrow or steal every last dime he can lay his hands on, let his sick mother run out of medication, and then offer to finance another $8000 beyond the first $10,500 at an interest rate you know he can't pay so you can repossess the car and repeat the same shady business with another customer in 3-6 months (level as in CEO)?

Option 3 Some guy rolls up in a $200,000 Aston Martin and offers you $1000 for you car so that he can donate it to a good cause. He tells you a very sad story about how you selling your car to him for cheap will help orphan children, but you recognize him from the news as having literally evicted orphaned children to build a tennis court convenient to his work (level as in CEO from the other side).

Now maybe you're the kind of person who would happily do option 2 if you could get away with it. I am not. I would even refuse option 2 if it were offered to me. I do not need money so badly that I would wreck other people's lives to get it. And yes, I have been ridiculously poor in my life. I know what that is like. I am not claiming to be perfect, but I am certainly better than that very low bar.

I seriously doubt you would take option 3, but can only be amazed that starving billionaires continue to complain to the world that we should help them out.

There is a difference between wanting to make a profit, charging a fair price for a product (even a premium product like Apple), and unbridled greed.

Apple is printing money. I buy their products, and do not mind doing so because I believe they are fairly priced. I realize I buy into an ecosystem. There are things I like about that ecosystem and prefer that to Android/Windows or even Linux. That ecosystem costs something to maintain. I prefer having it to not. I prefer not having my information sold to anyone with a credit card.

If Tile, or anyone else, wants into the ecosystem, they need to play by the rules and pay the entry fee. Then, I will decide if their product is worth it to me. Hell, build a good enough 'must have' product, and people will switch ecosystems to use your product. We've seen that more than once.
 
An advantage of Tile is that it has a hole in it. Sugru Moldable Glue is one workable answer for AirTags.

I have no idea why two images loaded. Maybe they become one image when wearing 3D glasses. I never know what amazing new thing will show up on my Mac after each upgrade (Note: Can't even insert an old fashioned colon-hyphen-parenthese smily without Apple deciding that I what really wanted was one of their bright yellow ones).
 

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