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Tim Cook Addresses Apple Employees After Lawsuit Victory

tshrimp said:
Were Apple fans. I love all my Apple products, but I am now done with this company that is trying to sue there way into a monopoly. I will keep what I have, but will not be purchasing anything new from them. I know I will get negative comments since I didn't give Apple praise, and the faithful do not look past the :apple: symbol.
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It has probably already been said here, but we should not blame Apple, Samsung, Motorola or whichever company for whatever is going on now. This is bad management and policy setting by the USPTO and nothing else.

Any company in this business is now bound to the process whether they like it or not. The penalty for not litigating and defending your patents is paying massive royalties. It is basic game theory that some of you might remember from economics. The problem is that the potential loss of not litigating is just too high. As long as the USPTO does not change their policy towards these ridiculous patents for basic functionalities, Apple and Samsung are obligated to continue litigating. It is now eat or be eaten.

This is a war on multiple fronts with Apple being just one of the players.
Personally I don't see a reason to now be angry at Apple because they seem to play this game better than the rest.
 
NitroZip said:
Apple has become the corporate giant they so loathed in the early days, doing what large corporations do. They have become the IBM that Steve Jobs hated.
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Yes because creating a legacy means that you should sit on your butt, and offer flowers to the competition...

SJ was in this all about creating something that would last forever. You don't become a tech company at the top by moving backwards to where you come from, you move forward with the times to ensure success and longevity.

A starry eyed politician who truly believes he can change the world, soon finds himself shackled by tight rules, committees and other factors. Meaning, it is great to start out completely idealistic, but something else to become the top corporation in America by not adapting. I am sure that the dev team for Apple keeps their spirit alive in the needed way.
 
azentropy said:
Good win for Apple. But am I the only one that thinks 1b is a drop in the bucket? Samsung made 5.9b just last quarter in profits.
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No, this means the value of Apple's patent portfolio has increased. This 1b is indeed a drop in the bucket but Apple's value as a company should go up as a consequence of their patent portfolio value.
 
olowott said:
All i Know is

WE WON!!!!:p:p

Next time, :cool:innovate and dont put sell cheap versions of our products
The been on this copycat stuff since nokia was on top and thanks to us, Nokia has been de-throned Damn!:mad:
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We? Us? Are you part of Apple? Unless you work for Apple its "They won" and "thanks to them".
 
there is a plateau of how much a consumer would be willing to spend on technology.

Not really, we already pay too much for a phone that has remained virturally unchanged for years
 
tshrimp said:
Were Apple fans. I love all my Apple products, but I am now done with this company that is trying to sue there way into a monopoly. I will keep what I have, but will not be purchasing anything new from them. I know I will get negative comments since I didn't give Apple praise, and the faithful do not look past the :apple: symbol.
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Why? Apple was totally correct and justified in their suit. Take it on a smaller scale..you invent some super cool product, take the time and $ to patent ur invention. It sells incredibly well. Then 2 months later someone else releases a product that is a blatant copy of your item. You take them to court and outright win the case. And then somehow ur loyal followers vow to never buy ur product again. Sounds pretty stupid to me.

Obviously the case was a lot deeper and more involved, but it's pretty simple to see it for what it is. Just google pics of samsung phones prior to 07. Then google pics of their phones after 07. It's laughable.
 
REBORNKING307 said:
there is a plateau of how much a consumer would be willing to spend on technology.

Not really, we already pay too much for a phone that has remained virturally unchanged for years
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Then vote with your wallet and don't buy it. There are enough alternatives.

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boronathan said:
Can you name some recent android innovations?
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This pattern slide unlock thing is a good example I think. It would be cool to have that on iOS, but it is patented..
 
This case is far far from over.

If any of you actually read the documents presented/used and follow the case closely, especially reading the jury instructions by Judge Koh (the 109 page release), you will realize that the verdict is not really right and seemed very rush due the the amount of errors in their scribbles. It does show that the jury is incompetent. Why did the judge not fire them ?. Oh, she does not want to rock the boat so much and knows the appeal will sort a lot of things out. It sure will because the appeals will be read by judges and no normal street-level people who cannot seem to make any value judgments.

Being objective, one can see several patents that are clearly "common sense" based judgement calls yet, the jury seems swayed by the evidence presented. They can take all-of-it, some-of-it and none-of-it was the judge's instructions but own judgement is the key to doing a clear deliberation. I still stand by one patent award to Apple and 4 patent awards to Samsung. The word "copying" was used very loosely to mean many things to many people and I am appalled that the judge did not specifically define the limits of "copying". Emulation and following along the lines are NOT copying and legal in many instances. No one seemed to want to define the very word that was abused by the system and Apple to great effect. It will be a short-live victory for apple while the appeals will drag on for a long while.
Meanwhile the Motorola suit is getting hot as Round Two for Apple soon fires off. In the meantime, I think Apple just lost about 20% of their customers who were outraged by this verdict.
 
If the final judgement from Lucy Koh increases the damages or extends injunctions against other Samsung phones and tablets, the more likely it is to be invalidated by higher courts.

I don't see anyone who appreciates innovation can see this as a victory for the consumer. We will all pay higher prices and see fewer products.
 
If you consider how much of the last apple "inovations" were just taken from other peoples Apps one might argue hypocrisy.
 
fteoath64 said:
If any of you actually read the documents presented/used and follow the case closely, especially reading the jury instructions by Judge Koh (the 109 page release), you will realize that the verdict is not really right and seemed very rush due the the amount of errors in their scribbles. It does show that the jury is incompetent. Why did the judge not fire them ?. Oh, she does not want to rock the boat so much and knows the appeal will sort a lot of things out. It sure will because the appeals will be read by judges and no normal street-level people who cannot seem to make any value judgments.

Being objective, one can see several patents that are clearly "common sense" based judgement calls yet, the jury seems swayed by the evidence presented. They can take all-of-it, some-of-it and none-of-it was the judge's instructions but own judgement is the key to doing a clear deliberation. I still stand by one patent award to Apple and 4 patent awards to Samsung. The word "copying" was used very loosely to mean many things to many people and I am appalled that the judge did not specifically define the limits of "copying". Emulation and following along the lines are NOT copying and legal in many instances. No one seemed to want to define the very word that was abused by the system and Apple to great effect. It will be a short-live victory for apple while the appeals will drag on for a long while.
Meanwhile the Motorola suit is getting hot as Round Two for Apple soon fires off. In the meantime, I think Apple just lost about 20% of their customers who were outraged by this verdict.
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Because there was indirect jury tampering going on. I wonder how many of the jurors family members such as spouse and children were approached by AAPL and offered goodies or indirect threats?
 
peterdevries said:
This pattern slide unlock thing is a good example I think. It would be cool to have that on iOS, but it is patented..
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Well that's three years old if not longer so I wouldn't consider that "recent". My point in asking the question was that everyone keeps swearing that Apple doesn't innovate, and that implies that Android continues to. It's not. You're not going to see some revolutionary amazing thing with every iteration of every OS and every phone. Apple doesn't do it, neither does Google with Android.

If Apple hasn't innovated in years, neither has Android or any of the OEMs. It's all about being objective. One-sided blanket statements are easily disproven.
 
Asked yourself this:

Did Samsung invented anything at all?
Did Samsung invent its own mobile OS like Apple did?
Would Samsung smartphones be this popular if Apple didn't exist?
Would Android exist if Apple Inc. did not have the chance to live?

From the very beginning, Samsung doesn't have a solid foundation to step foot into the smartphone market. It wasn't until they came up with the idea to use Apple's patents to produce smartphones.

And once they made those smartphones, they rely on Google Inc. to provide them their mobile OS (Android) for their devices to run on.

So technically, this Korean company never put in a single effort in making its own product not even its own mobile OS. They were so lazy enough to rely on other people's work. They don't have the innovative people like Apple do.

I'm not surprised to see Samsung lose in this trail against Apple. The jury has done their job marvelously. Samsung has to pay dearly for being such a dirty copycat.
 
Apple should use the money to put systems in place so they no longer need Samesung as a supplier. Samsung was very stupid to bite the hand that feeds.
 
peterdevries said:
No, this means the value of Apple's patent portfolio has increased. This 1b is indeed a drop in the bucket but Apple's value as a company should go up as a consequence of their patent portfolio value.
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If I stacked two empire state buildings on top of one another, and then stacked a billion dollars, in hundred dollar bills next to it, the stack of bills would still be ~700' taller. I don't care how much money you've got. A billion dollars is a TON of money to lose and Samsung is going to feel it.
 
boronathan said:
Well that's three years old if not longer so I wouldn't consider that "recent". My point in asking the question was that everyone keeps swearing that Apple doesn't innovate, and that implies that Android continues to. It's not. You're not going to see some revolutionary amazing thing with every iteration of every OS and every phone. Apple doesn't do it, neither does Google with Android.

If Apple hasn't innovated in years, neither has Android or any of the OEMs. It's all about being objective. One-sided blanket statements are easily disproven.
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Good point, I agree.

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sulpfiction said:
If I stacked two empire state buildings on top of one another, and then stacked a billion dollars, in hundred dollar bills next to it, the stack of bills would still be ~700' taller. I don't care how much money you've got. A billion dollars is a TON of money to lose and Samsung is going to feel it.
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I didn't mean it in that way. Of course it's a lot of money but share-price wise it has only a tiny direct effect on both companies. It's what this verdict means for their respective patent portfolios is where the future difference will be made.
 
Bezetos said:
You mean they haven't used an icon grid layout that has been around for decades?
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Have you done eye test lately? Hoppe the opticians are much closer then an Apple store for you. So... obviously is lot more then rect rounded shape and icon grid that you ppl try to use as an example but you don't like to believe that. Samsung has shamelessly copied lots of thiks from Apple! Even the Samsung stores and staff shirts are 100% mimic of the Apple stores.

But looks like a dead end now, doesn't it?
 
iSengKin said:
Asked yourself this:

Did Samsung invented anything at all?
Did Samsung invent its own mobile OS like Apple did?
Would Samsung smartphones be this popular if Apple didn't exist?
Would Android exist if Apple Inc. did not have the chance to live?

From the very beginning, Samsung doesn't have a solid foundation to step foot into the smartphone market. It wasn't until they came up with the idea to use Apple's patents to produce smartphones.

And once they made those smartphones, they rely on Google Inc. to provide them their mobile OS (Android) for their devices to run on.

So technically, this Korean company never put in a single effort in making its own product not even its own mobile OS. They were so lazy enough to rely on other people's work. They don't have the innovative people like Apple do.

I'm not surprised to see Samsung lose in this trail against Apple. The jury has done their job marvelously. Samsung has to pay dearly for being such a dirty copycat.
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Only you're completely wrong.
 
Well deserved win. Now, perhaps Apple can put this money to work, by fixing the sound issues on Mountain Lion. I just switched back to Lion...
 
Rodimus Prime said:
good for innovation my rear end. If Apple was not abusing the crappy American patent system then yeah but those patents are crapents and Apple is just continuing to prove it is the worlds largest patent troll.

This is a sad day. It means I can patent crap and if I have enough money I can be a patent troll. Apple is to scared to compete any more so they have got to litigation.
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I offered to send a box of kleenex to lilo777, would you like for me to send you one as well?

No one cares about your rear end. Maybe there is another forum that does.
 
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