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What a surprise!!!!...an american court ruling in favour of an american company...:rolleyes:... who would of guessed, i really hope samsung enforce their 3G patent now...
 
What's yours is yours.

You're right. Nobody who wasn't sitting on a jury can know what that jury's view of the facts and evidence might have been. We get a different view from the outside. And as far as I can tell, nobody here is a patent attorney.

But the patents aren't on whether you can use your thumb and forefinger to zoom. That's ridiculous. There is a patent on the rubber banding effect, however. And that should have been patentable. True, that means nobody else can do it unless Apple licenses it. But so what? It's not like they're withholding a cure for cancer! They got there first.


.....Nor will they ever come out with a "cure" for cancer, paralysis, HIV, ALS, etc.. only find drugs to keep them alive and be hooked on the drugs for life and Dr. visits every month, but I digress.

Steve, no how mundane any patent, deserves his credit. I was the paperboy to the inventor's summer home of the "ziplock," now used in plastic bags and other devices. Was that too mundane?

Congrats to Apple, it's entire staff, and the Palo Alto community of DeadHeads, and Owsley "Bear" for his contributions in Steve's mind expansion.....

Tired of reading the negatives, mostly short stock holders who got bit, and are letting their frustrations out here (long & strong since the late '80's and my first MAC in grad school in Boulder...thanks to my MBA prof's foresight in suggesting my first stock purchase)

No thank to European laws, this is AMERICA!!!!


Bertha dont' you come 'round here anymore.....
 
Were Apple fans. I love all my Apple products, but I am now done with this company that is trying to sue there way into a monopoly. I will keep what I have, but will not be purchasing anything new from them. I know I will get negative comments since I didn't give Apple praise, and the faithful do not look past the :apple: symbol.

I'm uncomfortable with the US patent system in general, and would greatly prefer competitors to duke it out in the marketplace not the courtroom.

But it's hard not to notice striking similarities between Sammy devices and Apple devices. It looks like they grabbed an Apple device, took it to their development teams and said: "Make one of these." It's not good for consumers if Sammy just knocks off i-devices. I'm worried about the precedent set -- the slippery slope -- but at least in this particular case it is good that the overall message is: you can't just copy stuff others have made -- you need to innovate.

If I ran the IP system, it would be A-OK to copy tech from others after, say, one generation of tech (currently just ~1 year for smart phones), as long as you added substantial innovations of your own. So, e.g., Android would be perfectly OK because while it started with a lot of UX stuff from IOS, it added a lot of stuff that IOS didn't have.

So In my book, Sammy's Note line is OK, though they really need to improve the software side of it. Likewise their "phablets" -- the massive screen size alone puts them in a different class IMHO (not that I want a gigantic phone -- I don't -- but its a great option for those that do, and Apple hasn't (so far) offered something in this area).
 
Nice! Can apple make an advertisement with this? :D

I'm sure someone must have mentioned this in the thread, but Apple was ordered by a UK court to publish a notice that Samsung didn't copy it - https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1406406/

As far as I'm aware, they haven't complied with it - and I'm sure they could come up with some wonderful wording now!

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Did someone at Apple say this? This is a quote frequently attributed to Picasso and actually used in an essay by T.S. Eliot.

Jobs did in Robert X. Cringely's Triumph of the Nerds. Have a look at http://www.edibleapple.com/2010/03/03/steve-jobs-referenced-good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/ - thi discusses what Jobs meant.
 
I've read this statement before....oh right it was GM complaining when they passed CAFE laws. GM fought it claiming it would hurt consumers and stifle innovation and pass prices onto consumers. What happened? The Japanese companies innovated, made fuel efficient cars, and sold affordable cars to millions of Americans. GM went kicking and screaming and eventually went bankrupt. Now suddenly they are making cheap fuel efficient cars and are doing well. What's the lesson, companies that claim something will stifle innovation, raise prices, etc. don't want to change, they just want to keep doing what they have been doing. Innovate or die Samsung. Go make your own OS. See how hard it is to do.

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I still don't understand how Samsung's internal documents about how they should make the Galaxy more like the iPhone was found? It seems like Apple didn't know about this until court, but was there some reason that Samsung released it in court? Did they think it would help their case or would it have been illegal if they did not show this information?
 
I still don't understand how Samsung's internal documents about how they should make the Galaxy more like the iPhone was found? It seems like Apple didn't know about this until court, but was there some reason that Samsung released it in court? Did they think it would help their case or would it have been illegal if they did not show this information?
If subpoena was done, destroying or hiding is illegal. Prison time possible. See "Enron" for more information.
 
Yes I agree, but what if what is copywrighted is something that's almost required as common function for that device.

Like a wheel on a car, the steering wheel on a car, the mirror in the centre to see behind you.

I don't think anyone cares about many points, but it's when you try and stop people doing fundamental things, like swiping on glass in a certain direction

RE the innovations you mention, the idea of our IP system (and really all modern IP systems) is to encourage innovation. The patent system is (was?) meant to strike a balance between rewarding the inventor and rewarding everyone. The main mechanism for this is that the inventor gets exclusive rights to the invention for a certain period of time, after which anyone and everyone can use it. This provides an incentive to inventors to invent: if their invention is useful they can get rich during the exclusive period. They can also freely license their invention without fear that disclosing the details will allow others to more easily copy it in competing products. Then, after a period of time the exclusive rights expires and anyone and everyone can make use of the invention freely, which is meant to ensure that widely useful inventions (like the steering wheel you mention) can be used widely and cheaply -- it's just a matter of time.

It's not really a bad idea, but of course problems arise in the details.

E.g. a lot of software patents are BS.
 
Apple should use the money to put systems in place so they no longer need Samesung as a supplier. Samsung was very stupid to bite the hand that feeds.

You seem to have to hand upside down or backwards, If Samsung said piss off to Apple, you'd have no iphone or ipad to buy, since neither can run without parts inside. Your ipad and iphone are primarily made by samsung and of samsung parts. Apples to greedy and too cheap to invest in their own manufacturing equiptment.
 
If subpoena was done, destroying or hiding is illegal. Prison time possible. See "Enron" for more information.

I guess that with a company as big as Samsung, and with so many people who worked on the design, that they couldn't cover it up. Maybe if it was one person then maybe... but yeah that makes more sense why did were compelled to do it.
 
Finally!!!

You mean a jury FINALLY had the backbone to stand up to a company that blatantly copied Apple? Long overdue. And I can't believe how many people seem to be on the side of Samsung. Do they not understand how stealing ideas HURTS EVERYONE in the long run? If innovators are undercut then they stop innovating as they cannot continue to fund staffing. And that leaves the copycats who themselves die off too because they have nothing left to copy. CAPICHE???
 
Were Apple fans. I love all my Apple products, but I am now done with this company that is trying to sue there way into a monopoly. I will keep what I have, but will not be purchasing anything new from them.

Enjoy your quality Samsung tablet:

The build quality. Terrible even by Samsung's low standards. The back is actually squishy, and you can feel it deform while holding it. It's noisy too, the plastic creaks, groans, and grinds when you pick it up. Regular, strong plastic would still be unacceptable when everyone else uses aluminum, but this... this is insulting for a $500 tablet.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...iew-an-embarrassing-lazy-arrogant-money-grab/
 
Were Apple fans. I love all my Apple products, but I am now done with this company that is trying to sue there way into a monopoly. I will keep what I have, but will not be purchasing anything new from them. I know I will get negative comments since I didn't give Apple praise, and the faithful do not look past the :apple: symbol.


Bye!!
 
One of the jurors is speaking out:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-5...uror-speaks-out/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title

"We found for Apple because of the evidence they presented, Ilagan said. "It was clear there was infringement."

Asked to point to some of the more compelling evidence Ilagan said:
"Well, there were several. The e-mails that went back and forth from Samsung execs about the Apple features that they should incorporate into their devices was pretty damning to me. And also, on the last day, they showed the pictures of the phones that Samsung made before the iPhone came out and ones that they made after the iPhone came out. Some of the Samsung executives they presented on video [testimony] from Korea -- I thought they were dodging the questions. They didn't answer one of them. They didn't help their cause."
 
I am very happy that Apple won this case, samsung is just a big copycat out there, who just knows to copy and make it look their own.

Look at Galaxy phones and their soo called samsung stores, which is a rip off, look at the store employees t-shirts, which are also blue....

Good job Tim! love Apple:apple:
 
They aren't trying to sue their way to a monopoly. They are simply protecting themselves against being double-crossed by one of their biggest suppliers (Samsung) and a former board member (Google).

Apple entered into cross-licensing agreements with Microsoft on the Surface, which to me presents a bigger threat to the iPad than all the Android tablets put together. I think they are OK with fair competition, but don't like it when "partners" turn on them the way Samsung did.

Well said.
 
All this talk about how this hurts competition are either trolls or lack the necessary capacity for processing information and coming to logical conclusions about it.

Look at what Microsoft is doing. Now that's competition. Competition is coming up with your own ideas and running with it on the fair, open market. We'll see how well Metro does in the mobile space. I don't particularly like it, personally, but I respect Microsoft for the choices they made, and for doing their own thing. Apple won't be suing them. Apple has no grounds for suing them, under the law or under common sense.

What Samsung has been doing is not even close to competition. The copying was blatant. The copying was willful. We know this from Samsung's own internal documents. It was Samsung's goal to create cheap clones of Apple's products, rush them to market, and take advantage of Apple's efforts in R&D and marketing to coast along.

Competition is fair, the winner chosen strictly on the merits. Microsoft spent their own money on R&D, and they're spending their own money on advertising their products. That's fair, and if Windows 8 does well in the mobile space, they will have earned it. Samsung spent no money on R&D, copied Apple's hard work, and coasted along into the market on the wake of Apple's advertising. That's not fair at all, Samsung clearly has an advantage in cost-to-market. If Samsung does well, it's because they made their product cheaper through stealing designs from their competitor, resulting in lower carrier subsidies and greater push from those carriers in the stores accordingly.

Apple is a pretty confident company, I would wager. I believe them when they say they don't mind competition, because they believe that on a level playing field they can win. They just want everyone else to make their own stuff.

Consumers should want everyone else to make their own stuff too. That's how we get interesting new ideas like Microsoft has been working on (and, wow, who'd have thought anyone would be able to say that with a straight face?). If every product looks like an iPhone running iOS, what, exactly, is the advantage to the consumer? I can't think of any. This verdict isn't going to hurt the consumer one bit, it's just going to result in more companies doing their own thing and coming up with actual new ideas.

Wow... Well put sir! =)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7faBOCRmA5A&feature=related

Apple sheep are stupid.

I think you are not giving people credit for their hard work. The only thing stupid is the people who are lazy.

In an update posted on LinkedIn, Al Sabawi, a former I.B.M. executive and founder of Quantopix, a software company, said Samsung deserved to lose.

To all the lazy copycats out there who think cutting and pasting is an intellectual achievement, that hard work, sweat and tears don’t matter, that ideas, designs, and innovations can be stolen willy-nilly with no consequences: This is to you.


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Apple patents things like shapes and bounce back... they aren't reasonable.

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They are absolutely reasonable. Judged by our peers in a court of law.

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I wish Obama was listening. If the man had any values, we/America would be winning just like Apple is. Values are what America/Americans are losing as the generations come & go, especially with this president.

Going back to the story nonetheless... this is one of the biggest pioneering cases of the new age on intellectual property we will constantly face in the years/decades to come. This case is bigger than some may grasp... it's huge, and I hope it foreshadows things to come in the industry.

Cheaters never prosper. (I will only buy Apple for life. :cool:)
 
I wish Obama was listening. If the man had any values, we/America would be winning just like Apple is. Values are what America/Americans are losing as the generations come & go, especially with this president.

Going back to the story nonetheless... this is one of the biggest pioneering cases of the new age on intellectual property we will constantly face in the years/decades to come. This case is bigger than some may grasp... it's huge, and I hope it foreshadows things to come in the industry.

Cheaters never prosper. (I will only buy Apple for life. :cool:)

This is a false analogy. It proves nothing more than our patent laws in the US are nonsensical. We will all pay higher prices and see less innovation.
 
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