Tim Cook Addresses Apple Employees After Lawsuit Victory

[slughead]

Oh boo hoo, Taz. Nothing is lost on me at all. What in my post that you QUOTED signifies that. Are you saying that the back and forth on these threads is all that different than what was being said during the trial? No. They aren't. Same threads. Same arguments. Same pictures. Same debunking. Same FUDs from the same players.

I don't have any disdain for Apple. I buy my tech based on my needs and that's it. There's no emotional connection to me. Maybe there is for you. But let's not project, shall we? Most if not all of my posts aren't anti-Apple. They are correcting the mass amounts of BS that permeates these threads as if they are truths. If I have any disdain - it's towards the behavior that some people engage in either on purpose or from ignorance.

And I have no idea why you would think I need to find another website to go to. You do know this isn't an Apple FAN board, right? It's an Apple discussion forum for people that either have Apple products, want to know more about Apple products and oh yeah - people who are generally interested in technology.

If people that don't conform to the views you possess or how you think they should post - that's your problem. And I'm happy to buy a box of kleenex for you.

Have a great day...

Keep up the good work fighting the good fight! If anything can make Apple a better company, it's users like you who demand they do better.

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"Competitors will have to go back to the drawing board, and give their designers more creative license," Carani says. "They'll have to create something very different as far as the visual experience, and that choice could be a great benefit for consumers."

This is like i said. This decision breeds innovation. how could it not? Samsung will be forced to come up with new ideas, instead of looking at the iPhone and say "yeah do that".

Please draw me a picture of a phone with square edges that looks pretty. If edges are not square, they are round. If Apple "owns" round edges all of a sudden, there's no middle ground.

If Apple keeps everything with rounded edges off the market, we are going to have crappier looking products and fewer options, period.

 

[Mark Booth]

The lawyer that must of won that is going to retire after that.

I am suspect that Apple's attorneys are on retainer and don't necessarily get a percentage of any award. Though, I expect the attorneys might find a little something extra in the their holiday pay envelope.

Mark

 

[Taz Mangus]

Nothing is lost on me at all. What in my post that you QUOTED signifies that. Are you saying that the back and forth on these threads is all that different than what was being said during the trial? No. They aren't. Same threads. Same arguments. Same pictures. Same debunking. Same FUDs from the same players.

Look in the mirror much? How could your armchair lawyering be wrong about this trial?

I don't have any disdain for Apple. I buy my tech based on my needs and that's it. There's no emotional connection to me. Maybe there is for you. But let's not project, shall we? Most if not all of my posts aren't anti-Apple. They are correcting the mass amounts of BS that permeates these threads as if they are truths. If I have any disdain - it's towards the behavior that some people engage in either on purpose or from ignorance.

"correcting the mass amounts of BS that permeates these threads". Now who is projecting.

What's clear is not much has changed on this board. And that was to be expected.

At least we can agree on one thing.

Have a great day...

Thanks. You too.

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The fact is: patent suits like this limit competition and stifle innovation. Apple being a company that innovates and rarely invents is an example of what happens when companies are allowed to use other companies intellectual property.

In other words, "I don't have any evidence to prove that this limit competition and stifle innovation".

 

[boronathan]

Keep up the good work fighting the good fight! If anything can make Apple a better company, it's users like you who demand they do better.

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Please draw me a picture of a phone with square edges that looks pretty. If edges are not square, they are round. If Apple "owns" round edges all of a sudden, there's no middle ground.

If Apple keeps everything with rounded edges off the market, we are going to have crappier looking products and fewer options, period.

So there are no good looking square edge phones? Secondly, other oems have rounded edge phones that don't look like the iPhone. So clearly there is a way to differentiate. Let's be honest here: you guys are upset because Samsung got caught stealing. And now you're trying to come up with ways to still blame Apple.

 

[slughead]

So there are no good looking square edge phones?

Apple own a patent on rounded edges! I guess we'll see a lot more square edges now that Apple's attacking everyone using rounded edges! No, but this isn't limiting choices at all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7faBOCRmA5A

"WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SHAMELESS ABOUT STEALING OTHERS IDEAS"
-Steve Jobs, on Apple.

 

[peterdevries]

You seem to have to hand upside down or backwards, If Samsung said piss off to Apple, you'd have no iphone or ipad to buy, since neither can run without parts inside. Your ipad and iphone are primarily made by samsung and of samsung parts. Apples to greedy and too cheap to invest in their own manufacturing equiptment.

Well you have some things backwards also. Apple is not an electronics manufacturer like Samsung is, but a software, marketing, design and sales business. Something entirely different than Samsung. Apple is not cheap, it is efficient. Sourcing out those parts of their business that others can do better.

 

[samcraig]

At least we can agree on one thing.

You'll have to forgive me for not understanding your entire tirade then. My initial comment you responded to was was "What's clear is not much has changed on this board. And that was to be expected. No matter what the outcome - it doesn't really change perspective. And the general customer won't care a bit either."

I then wrote "What's clear is not much has changed on this board. And that was to be expected."

Same thing. Unless you thought I meant it doesn't change perspective of the public. Which I would still question. My point was that posters here were never going to change their perspective based on the verdict.

Or maybe you just don't like what I write and felt the need to vent. Whatever the reason - I hope you feel better now.

 

[slughead]

In other words, "I don't have any evidence to prove that this limit competition and stifle innovation".

In other words "Derp, I can't see products that don't exist due to these obvious flaws in the patent code, therefore I'm going to pretend like they would have never existed."

Apple owns a patent on rounded edges and wedge-shaped laptops... Please defend this, I really want to hear rationalization at its most pathetic.

Competition leads to innovation, not patent law. Apple would continue making iphones even if Samsung made one that really was just like it. They'd have to just continue to make great products and keep one step ahead as opposed to just suing every time someone did what Apple does all the time: COPY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7faBOCRmA5A

"WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SHAMELESS ABOUT STEALING OTHERS IDEAS"
-Steve Jobs, on Apple.

 

[boronathan]

Apple own a patent on rounded edges! I guess we'll see a lot more square edges now that Apple's attacking everyone using rounded edges! No, but this isn't limiting choices at all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7faBOCRmA5A

"WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SHAMELESS ABOUT STEALING OTHERS IDEAS"
-Steve Jobs, on Apple.

You avoided the question, not that I'm surprised. There are other rounded edge phones that don't look like the iPhone. Yes, Apple limited competition by not letting people copy. Boo hoo.

 

[slughead]

You avoided the question, not that I'm surprised. There are other rounded edge phones that don't look like the iPhone. Yes, Apple limited competition by not letting people copy. Boo hoo.

Dude, Apple patented rounded edges, that was part of the law suit. Apple will very likely sue other manufactures with rounded edges now.

Boo hoo? Yeah boo hoo for the consumer Apple is screwing over and all the employees Samsung/others had building cell phones for happy, willing customers. This is one of the reasons America's economy is in the toilet.

 

[boronathan]

Dude, Apple patented rounded edges, that was part of the law suit. Apple will very likely sue other manufactures with rounded edges now.

Boo hoo? Yeah boo hoo for the consumer Apple is screwing over and all the employees Samsung/others had building cell phones for happy, willing customers. This is one of the reasons America's economy is in the toilet.

Oh so your rant is over something you think Apple might do? Got it. Let's talk when they do it.

 

[Xiroteus]

If you don't like what they offer, vote with your wallet. Pretty simple concept, if you ask me.

This part comes down to wanting to like what they offer yet Apple making that hard to do at times. I cannot think of any other reason to complain about a product. (I know people do) For example, no optical drive (should be blu-ray) would be a breaking point and only because I want to be able to own one down the line yet could not justify the cost with a machine that has been so limited.

The iPhones are really nice, very polished and user friendly, they do get a bit behind at times just so they can save a common feature for the next release, not like that is exclusive to Apple. I am on year three with my iPhone 3GS and it is still going strong.

The same can be said for the iPad which only annoyed me with the first generation, then with the updates it makes more sense.

I have noticed my wants and or needs are different then many, I want flash, blu-ray, optical drives are very important etc... and I know that Apple thinks everyone should buy everything on iTunes, music? Sure, Movies? Never going to happen as they are far too costly. However that is also not exclusive to Apple, everyone wants too much for digital content these days.

 

[Rogifan]

Are you really this uninformed about an issue you're bloviating about?

http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/24/technology/apple-samsung-verdict/index.html

"It is unfortunate that patent law can be manipulated to give one company a monopoly over rectangles with rounded corners."

I'm sorry this is not just about rounded rectangles and if you think that it is you are obtuse, or you are being paid by Samsung's PR team.

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slughead do you need some cheese to go with your whine?

 

[topper24hours]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7faBOCRmA5A&feature=related

Apple sheep are stupid.

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Apple patents things like shapes and bounce back... they aren't reasonable.

I apologize that a reasonable jury armed with the FACTS disagreed with your opinion.. better luck next time?

 

[topper24hours]

The CPU's are designed in the UK by ARM

Nope. The CPUs are designed @ Cupertino by Apple from a generic ARM chip. After being customized by the engineers there to work specifically with their products, they patent those specific changes to the architecture & have the new chips manufactured to their specs. They pay a royalty for it being 80% similar to the original chip design, but their chips are unique to their products.

 

[gnasher729]

Apple is attempting to sue people for having rounded edges on their tablets. Screw them. This results in fewer options.

Apple has been suing people for infringing on Apple's design patents, which include a long list of items, of which one is rounded edges. "Rounded edges" on its own doesn't infringe on Apple's patents at all, and doesn't get you sued. "Rounded edges", plus half a dozen other items, that gets you sued. And almost everyone other than Samsung had no problem creating a design, often with rounded edges, that doesn't infringe on Apple's design patent.

So either you are getting all excited over nothing because you didn't actually understand what this court case was about, or you understand exactly what is going on, you are annoyed for some reason that Samsung didn't get away with it, and making unjustified and unjustifiable accusations against Apple.

 

[blackhand1001]

What are you trying to say, that the jury was rigged? Or you don't have any faith in the trial by jury system? 9 people weighed the evidence and came to the same conclusion.

It is also well proven that Apple is one the most scurtinzed companies out there. Remember Antenna-gate, battery-gate, Foxcom-gate, etc. When other companies had the same issue none of them made the front page for the same issues like Apple does.

The other peoples phones didn't drop calls when you held them. And you had to hold them abnormally to get it to even drop signal. The iphone dropped calls when being held in a normal way.

 

[tschull]

Who can remind me, What company said good artists copy and great artists steal. Hmmm food for thought. Isn't fun when the tables are turned.

You don't even know what that quote means, do you?

From Jobs's interview:
"It comes down to trying to expose yourself to the best things humans have done, and then try to bring those things in to what you're doing."

Jobs is referring to the ability to notice, comprehend, and utilize achievements from completely different fields of technical and scientific endeavor and apply those results to your own field of work. It is the absolute opposite of what you are trying to imply.

 

[Taz Mangus]

You'll have to forgive me for not understanding your entire tirade then. My initial comment you responded to was was "What's clear is not much has changed on this board. And that was to be expected. No matter what the outcome - it doesn't really change perspective. And the general customer won't care a bit either."

Tirade? Sorry you must be confused with another person posting. Nothing in my posts was a tirade. Tirade requires anger. I was commenting how sad it is for you to not have Apple lose its case against Samsung.

I then wrote "What's clear is not much has changed on this board. And that was to be expected."

Just commenting that not has changed about your Anti-Apple posting.

Same thing. Unless you thought I meant it doesn't change perspective of the public. Which I would still question. My point was that posters here were never going to change their perspective based on the verdict.

Or maybe you just don't like what I write and felt the need to vent. Whatever the reason - I hope you feel better now.

Now you are projecting again. The only thing I feel better about is how a jury of 9 people have decided that Samsung willfully violated Apple patents. You don't like that fact so you need to vent.

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The other peoples phones didn't drop calls when you held them. And you had to hold them abnormally to get it to even drop signal. The iphone dropped calls when being held in a normal way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7A4gdwmCJk
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/07/2...d-x-on-blast-shows-antenna-problems-on-video/

Yep, Apple iPhone is the only one who had the Antenna issue.

 

[samcraig]

You're assigning feelings to me about this case I simply don't have. I never said I was happy or sad that Apple won the case. Stop introducing a straw man argument. It's ok to admit that you jumped the gun. I said nothing on this board will/has changed in regards to the verdict and it hasn't. You even agreed. And I'm not anti-Apple. No matter how many times you write it - doesn't make it true.

Tirade? Sorry you must be confused with another person posting. Nothing in my posts was a tirade. Tirade requires anger. I was commenting how sad it is for you to not have Apple lose its case against Samsung.

Just commenting that not has changed about your Anti-Apple posting


Now you are projecting again. The only thing I feel better about is how a jury of 9 people have decided that Samsung willfully violated Apple patents. You don't like that fact so you need to vent.

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Clearly you needed to vent (yet again). You agreed with my statement that nothing on this board has changed yet you went off on tangents to try and get away from the fact that you either didn't understand what I wrote the first place or simply wanted to have a vowel movement. IE - venting.

Go ahead and feel free to have another. I won't be responding though. I've explained my position and comment. You agreed. That's pretty much where we are.

Have a nice evening...

 

[boronathan]

You're assigning feelings to me about this case I simply don't have. I never said I was happy or sad that Apple won the case. Stop introducing a straw man argument. It's ok to admit that you jumped the gun. I said nothing on this board will/has changed in regards to the verdict and it hasn't. You even agreed. And I'm not anti-Apple. No matter how many times you write it - doesn't make it true.



Clearly you needed to vent (yet again). You agreed with my statement that nothing on this board has changed yet you went off on tangents to try and get away from the fact that you either didn't understand what I wrote the first place or simply wanted to have a vowel movement. IE - venting.

Go ahead and feel free to have another. I won't be responding though. I've explained my position and comment. You agreed. That's pretty much where we are.

Have a nice evening...

We should take a poll about who here thinks you're anti apple. You'd be surprised at the results. You may not actually be, but you sure as heck come off that way.

This is like that guy ltd who got banned saying he's not pro Apple lol

 

[samcraig]

We should take a poll about who here thinks you're anti apple. You'd be surprised at the results. You may not actually be, but you sure as heck come off that way.

This is like that guy ltd who got banned saying he's not pro Apple lol

I don't think LTD would ever have a problem saying he was Pro Apple.

And I'm pretty sure that most that see me as anti-Apple want to read too much into my posts. Do I play devil's advocate. Most definitely. But most of the negativity "sensed" by readers probably has more to do with the fact that I do my best to debunk a lot of "crap" that is posted here that's simply not true. I'm sorry (not really) that I can't just stay silent and go along with the crowd on that one. When someone posts something wrong about Apple, Android, Microsoft, etc and I read it - I respond in kind. I also offer opposing viewpoints. That doesn't mean I am anti-Apple. It simply means I am looking at both sides of the discussion/argument/etc.

Your poll idea, while tongue in cheek, is ridiculous. Are we going to have a poll about every poster here so we can "label" them? You don't need a poll for this as proven by your initial assertion

I wouldn't be surprised at the results. Again - people will see what they want to see. Especially if they don't agree with what I have to say. Unlike them though, I don't assume they are "Pro" Apple for disagreeing with me.

 

[boronathan]

I don't think LTD would ever have a problem saying he was Pro Apple.

And I'm pretty sure that most that see me as anti-Apple want to read too much into my posts. Do I play devil's advocate. Most definitely. But most of the negativity "sensed" by readers probably has more to do with the fact that I do my best to debunk a lot of "crap" that is posted here that's simply not true. I'm sorry (not really) that I can't just stay silent and go along with the crowd on that one. When someone posts something wrong about Apple, Android, Microsoft, etc and I read it - I respond in kind. I also offer opposing viewpoints. That doesn't mean I am anti-Apple. It simply means I am looking at both sides of the discussion/argument/etc.

Your poll idea, while tongue in cheek, is ridiculous. Are we going to have a poll about every poster here so we can "label" them? You don't need a poll for this as proven by your initial assertion

I wouldn't be surprised at the results. Again - people will see what they want to see. Especially if they don't agree with what I have to say. Unlike them though, I don't assume they are "Pro" Apple for disagreeing with me.

sam, it was a joke. Your defensive response does you no favors either. I don't know if you're anti apple or not, im just telling you how you come across. You've been called out by multiple posters today, obviously it's because of the things you post that make you seem like you're anti apple (which you call "playing devils advocate")

I mean Samsung got their butts handed to them, and you're still here trying to push the semantics vague game. At some point, you HAVE to accept that you were wrong and stop arguing a useless cause. Forget what the posters here think. A COURT OF LAW decided Samsung was guilty. Your opinion (or anyone elses) doesn't matter anymore. Samsung infringed, and willfully.

 

[Tech198]

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Does this mean Apple, and the boys will be going down the local pub for drinks ?

Its no surprise though..... I mean patents are ridiculous even at best..... The fact of going to court because "you stole my idea" is a waste of effect.

Its like saying "I'm going to sue you over that shade of blue i used on my web site"

 

[samcraig]

sam, it was a joke. Your defensive response does you no favors either. I don't know if you're anti apple or not, im just telling you how you come across. You've been called out by multiple posters today, obviously it's because of the things you post that make you seem like you're anti apple (which you call "playing devils advocate")

I mean Samsung got their butts handed to them, and you're still here trying to push the semantics vague game. At some point, you HAVE to accept that you were wrong and stop arguing a useless cause. Forget what the posters here think. A COURT OF LAW decided Samsung was guilty. Your opinion (or anyone elses) doesn't matter anymore. Samsung infringed, and willfully.

Who are these multiple posters? That's silliness (not semantics). You? Taz? Sure. Two people today I guess can be "multiple." Or you could just be talking hyperbole. No matter.

What semantics game am I playing? I said that the opinions on this board really haven't and won't change based on the verdict. Do you think they have or will? Earlier I said that Cook stated that Apple didn't pursue this case because of patents or money. I think that's PR speak to a company, that as you say, was able to have its competition butts handed to them. It was definitely about patents and about the money Samsung is making off of violating those patents.

And since when can a court of law dictate public opinion. Hint: Never. Just like you're entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to mine. Whether or not you or I agree with the court/jury is irrelevant. That doesn't make me right or wrong or you right or wrong. What it does make is one opinion in LINE with what the court found.

Just like when I served on a jury myself. I knew the guy who committed the violent crime was guilty as hell. The prosecutor wasn't able to provide evidence beyond reasonable doubt. Just because we, the jury voted him innocent doesn't change my opinion that he's guilty. Nor does it make me wrong to believe he's guilty. Get it? I'm sure you do.

I don't believe I've argued, in this thread (and I could be wrong because now I forget) whether or not Samsung was innocent or guilty.