Much more importantly, what's with the suit?
He's the CEO of the largest corporation in the world by market capitalization. Apple is worth twice as much as the next-largest company, ExxonMobil
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Tim Cook Addresses Privacy, Government Requests in New NPR Interview
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He's the CEO of the largest corporation in the world by market capitalization. Apple is worth twice as much as the next-largest company, ExxonMobil
Googles collects a boatload of information. That we all know. You still didn't clarify the shady part.
Your username is accurate
It's not like Apple is the only entity in the world that facilitates secure, encrypted communication
let me poke into this with a sharp stick :-
- Cook draws the line sharing data, but there are apps that share your contact list between apps if u agree.
- the user is not the product according to him either, yet there are iAds. Although the amount is much smaller than Google, there still are iAds ... Therefore u are the product in a sense because developers make money from you.
- encryption is all well and good on a phone, but who ever keeps their stuff only on an iPhone now-days and does not share it ? Reality check cook ..... If the same data is in the cloud, doesn't matter how good a phone is with encryption, law enforcement doesn't need to access the phone anyway, u encrypt stuff. weather Apple or third party Apple may use keep the keys, doesn't matter... someone does..... because u can backup a file-vault key to Apple....u answer questions, they give u recovery key... thus the only way they can do that if THEY have the key, it may be encrypted, but they do have access to it when user provides info.
I just wish cook would not only focus about privacy on the phone (understatement) but more importantly he should be talking about the cloud as well, since if all your stuff is backed-uped, security on a phone is not an issue, never needs t be since there are other insecure ways to get it.
- Cook draws the line sharing data, but there are apps that share your contact list between apps if u agree.
- the user is not the product according to him either, yet there are iAds. Although the amount is much smaller than Google, there still are iAds ... Therefore u are the product in a sense because developers make money from you.
- encryption is all well and good on a phone, but who ever keeps their stuff only on an iPhone now-days and does not share it ? Reality check cook ..... If the same data is in the cloud, doesn't matter how good a phone is with encryption, law enforcement doesn't need to access the phone anyway, u encrypt stuff. weather Apple or third party Apple may use keep the keys, doesn't matter... someone does..... because u can backup a file-vault key to Apple....u answer questions, they give u recovery key... thus the only way they can do that if THEY have the key, it may be encrypted, but they do have access to it when user provides info.
I just wish cook would not only focus about privacy on the phone (understatement) but more importantly he should be talking about the cloud as well, since if all your stuff is backed-uped, security on a phone is not an issue, never needs t be since there are other insecure ways to get it.
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Seriously FUD post. Pretty good flame though. I'd give it 9/10. I would have given it a 10/10 but it didn't contain a single fact. Excellent flame mixes in a little truth to make it look reasonably credible. Come on, try a little harder at least.
Apple has always been the master at spin control without it ever surfacing as such. The user base largely believes every word Apple speaks. An amazing testimony to Steve Jobs exemplary skills in the art of Influence.
Tim Cook a complete liar.
If you install the Facebook app on an iPhone, it will rummage through your Contacts without your permission. See for yourself, if you have the Facebook app on your iPhone: Go to Settings, pick "Privacy," and then "Contacts." See the list of apps? Facebook isn't one of them.
I have contact names for people I met overseas, years ago, totally unconnected from anyone I know. Facebook asks if I want to "Friend" them. The maintenance manager of an office I rented ten years ago showed up as a Friend request. Tim Cook is lying when he says his company protects customer privacy. Plain and simple. He sells the private data you store on your phone. He treats it like its his property, not yours. This isn't conspiracy, it's an absolute fact.
Yea... is it true true or VW true.... hmm.
And, maybe there doesn't need to be a 'backdoor' because Comey already has a live-feed.
What is undeniable is that Apple has made financial deals with Google (search) Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn.
If they thought those companies were doing such terrible things to their customer's data they should have declined to take the 'blood' money'
If they thought those companies were doing such terrible things to their customer's data they should have declined to take the 'blood' money'
Actually... There are no laws that allow the government to force Apple legally to do anything (like installing a back door) and be quiet about it. So if they demand this strongly and illegally then Apple can go public about their demands very loudly. And then the government is stuck.
That's a common accusation. That a company wouldn't directly lie, but make a statement that is factually not a lie, but hides some hidden truth. And that is nonsense.
If Apple did something evil and wanted to hide it, they would lie about it. They wouldn't make up a stupid statement hoping that you understand it wrong. You either believe that they are communicating the truth, or you believe that they are lying. Entirely up to you. But trying to analyse statements to find fault is stupid.
If there _was_ a backdoor and it was never found, Apple could just lie about it and nobody would know. No need to hide the truth in the language instead of just lying. And if there was a backdoor and it _was_ found, do you think anyone would then say "well, they didn't actually deny it, they just said it would be a bad idea, so that's Ok"? Nobody in their right mind would say that. So please get rid of these conspiracy ideas in your mind and take what they say at face value. Because if what they say isn't true, you will also judge them on their statements at face value.
You don't appear to understand the difference between you choosing to share specific data, limited and controlled by the operating system APIs, from one app or service to another, and Apple quietly doing it itself with everything of yours, with other apps, people and organizations, without your consent, which is the issue at hand. Look in the Facebook panel instead of Privacy.
You might want to think about that, because your claim of Tim being "a complete liar" is not only demonstrably false, it demonstrates your own ignorance.
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I too, hope this is true. I wonder how hard it might be for a government agency to have moles in companies' programming teams who could sneak backdoors into the code.
A scary thought, and I think I just made myself slightly paranoid for thinking it.
A scary thought, and I think I just made myself slightly paranoid for thinking it.
correct.
TOR - Tails - Debian/etc. - Off-The-Recordmessaging - Gnu Privacy Guard - Truecrypt - Securedrop
Disagree. I think it's an extremely subtle issue. For example, I didn't realize that Google was loading the links returned on a search with tracker-wrappers so they could know which of those links you clicked on. Now, I've got my DirectLinks plugin on.
I think it will take years to understand the pervasiveness of Google/FB/etc. tracking. I think the term big brother tax is a good one to describe what these folks are doing: Big brother tax: you never really know when you are paying or how much you are paying.
Big brother tax yes a 'free-mium business model' with potential massive cost to consumer, who just does not know it
iAds such a small side project, it's not relevant.
They are totally optional, and most people won't even see them. I can't remember the last time I saw an iAd. They pretty much only show up in gaming... which knocks the reach down.
They pretty much only show up in trashy freemium gaming which knocks the reach down even further to basically a subset of soccer moms and teenage girls playing candy crush.
Infinity Blade? nope
Hearthstone? nope
etc
Disagree. I think it's an extremely subtle issue. For example, I didn't realize that Google was loading the links returned on a search with tracker-wrappers so they could know which of those links you clicked on. Now, I've got my DirectLinks plugin on.
I think it will take years to understand the pervasiveness of Google/FB/etc. tracking. I think the term big brother tax is a good one to describe what these folks are doing: Big brother tax: you never really know when you are paying or how much you are paying.
Hmm, that's interesting what you say about Google searches. Is that why when you click on a search result it momentarily shows in the address bar like it's bouncing off a Google site, and also sometimes you can't click backwards or have to click backwards twice through another Google site?
That direct link plugin sounds nice, I wish they had one for IE.
I hate this stance that some people take, reminds me of when some say "If you've got nothing to hide, then why worry".
LoL really?... He's the CEO of the world's most valuable company (depending on the day).
That small side project generates an estimated $500 million a year. So yeah, relative to Apple's profit, it's pretty insignificant. The topic isn't financial relevancy. It's privacy. Apple collects and uses the same types of customer information that Google uses. Like Google, they use that information to, among other things, sell advertising. I know this to be a fact because Apple tells you that in their privacy policy. They don't sell your info. Neither does Google. To do so would be incredibly stupid. The other argument I see is "Google collects more info". Most likely they do. Partly due to their scope, partly due to their collection mechanisms. That doesn't diminish the massive amount of data Apple collects and uses. Both companies have similar privacy policies. Apple, smartly, figured out a way to use it as a marketing advantage.
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Why are you asking??
You CLEARLY don't care. Your own sig line admits that your ONLY criteria is "personal use case"... thus, you don't care about the politics of a company, the sleaziness of a company, the litigation tactics of a company, etc.
With all due respect, while holding that personal opinion is absolutely fine... I feel that asking another user for deeper info when you obviously are not interested is a bit disingenuous & most likely your actual goal is to try to discredit their claim. So...... in the interest of being more transparent like we want the companies we are discussing to be, why not just be up front about intentions from the start??