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SilverWalker

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still have DVD stores too with magazines and Manga (comics). The culture still prefers physical media instead of digital overall. The younger still too, but Amazon and Netflix are pushing the changes.
Well, Tsutaya is slowly moving away from DVD/Blu-ray. It's a shame as I used to enjoy walking the isles and looking for something interesting to watch. They seem to be changing into more of a bookshop now, though you can still buy PS3/PS4/PS5 games and that sort of thing.
 

mattoruu

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Have lived in Japan for last two years and it is 50/50 on places that take credit cards vs Yen only still. Can’t tell you how many times I’m told they don’t take Apple Pay when they do have NFC terminals that allow it..constantly blowing people’s minds when I use my Watch to pay.
50/50? I can’t imagine it is anywhere close 50/50 after all the government incentives in 2022 for stores adopt digital payment. (And by that I mean 50% acceptance seems way too low.)

They (national government, prefectural governments, and city/town/village governments) have been pushing VERY hard this year (last year as well, but definitely this year) for stores to accept digital wallets and such as payments. I don’t have the government data to definitely say how high digital payment acceptance is now, but I know that I almost never use cash anymore. For me it is 98% actual plastic credit card, various credit cards saved to my Apple Wallet, and the PayPay app. (And I basically only use my actual plastic credit card at my local Gyomu Supa because they don’t have an NFC terminal or accept PayPay yet.) Almost everywhere I use my iPhone/Apple Watch in some way to pay — whether that is using the payment methods stored in my Apple Wallet or another payment app on my phone.)

I have a thousand yen bill in my wallet and that same thousand yen bill has been unmoved there for about two or three months. Stores don’t even need to buy a new payment terminal to accept something like PayPay. They just need print out a QR code that customers can scan with the app (which is what my favorite Indian restaurant does so that I can pay for my curry lunch set using PayPay).

For anyone in Japan who doesn’t yet have PayPay… get PayPay. It’s so incredibly convenient. For anyone in America, PayPay is kind of like the Cash App… except even better (IMO). And if your local government hasn’t done so already, they (in conjunction with PayPay) might soon have a bonus point discount for using PayPay. My local city government did a 20% bonus point promotion in October and November for using PayPay at stores in the city. And another local town government a few kilometers away is currently doing a 10% bonus point discount for using PayPay at stores in that town.

The various governments of Japan have gotten very serious about digital payment adoption in 2022.
 
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mattoruu

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Can’t tell you how many times I’m told they don’t take Apple Pay when they do have NFC terminals that allow it.
May I ask how you are telling the cashier that you want to use Apple Pay? If you are specifically saying the words “Apple Pay”, that right there could be the problem. If you are having problems, don’t say you are paying with “Apple Pay“ (not those actual words). If your Japanese-issued credit card uses (for example) the iD Card payment network, say you want to pay using “iD Card” and then use your iPhone/Apple Watch at the NFC terminal.

Though if you are using a foreign-issued credit card stored in your Apple Wallet, that could be the problem as well (foreign-issued cards using Apple Pay in Japan can be tricky). If it is a foreign-issued card that supports EMV, then you could maybe just say you want to pay using “Touch”.

(Note for anyone reading this: The “iD Card” I just mentioned isn’t the same as the “ID cards” we have been talking about thus far, lol.)
 
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ponzicoinbro

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With a nick like ponzicoinbro I’m surprised you haven’t sarcastically suggested blockchain as a solution :)

No way 😝, the in and out points of public blockchains are inherently insecure. Only a government database works for this kind of citizen data and they don't need to be immutable because citizen data changes (age, marital status, etc).
 
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mattoruu

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I said aged and not average.
No elderly person is using 1970s floppy disks at all at home in 2022 (7 more hours to 2023!!!!). That’s not a thing people are doing here, lol. Come on now! What are you even talking about? lol

Maybe an elderly person isn’t using a computer at all. That’s certainly possible. But if they are using a computer, they aren’t using hardware from the 1970s just because they came of age in the 1970s.

The only people here using at home computer hardware that ancient are like… hipster gamers who want to play on the original computer hardware without running emulation or something, lol. And I get that. I have an old Apple Macintosh Classic II (from 1990-something) in storage somewhere that I occasionally get out for nostalgic gaming purposes, lol. Though I haven’t booted it up in many years though. 😂
 
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ponzicoinbro

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No elderly person is using 1970s floppy disks at all at home in 2022 (7 more hours to 2023!!!!). That’s not a thing people are doing here, lol. Come on now! What are you even talking about? lol

Another case of someone on the internet who twists original posts to win an iNtErnEt ArGUMent 🙃

Me : some elderly generation are using floppy disks and fax machines at work.

You : No average Japanese is doing that.

Me : I said aged not average.

You : No elderly Japanese is doing that at home.

Me : I didn’t say home and my original post clearly referred to workplaces. It’s not news that Japan has been trying to encourage the end of these floppy disks and fax machines. It was a big news item in 2022.
 

mattoruu

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Another case of someone on the internet who twists original posts to win an iNtErnEt ArGUMent 🙃

Me : some elderly generation are using floppy disks and fax machines at work.

You : No average Japanese is doing that.

Me : I said aged not average.

You : No elderly Japanese is doing that at home.

Me : I didn’t say home and my original post clearly referred to workplaces. It’s not news that Japan has been trying to encourage the end of these floppy disks and fax machines. It was a big news item in 2022.
I see what the problem we are having is now. I think you misunderstood the Engadget article that you originally linked to. The article wasn’t about elderly people at work using floppy disks and fax machines. The article was about outdated government procedures that required the use of floppy disks and fax machines (a problem not unique to Japan — Google “COBOL Cowboys” to find a very interesting story about America and old government tech).

The use of floppy disks and fax machines at government workplaces isn’t because the workers are elderly. It’s because of a slow-moving bureaucracy and such. That was what the article was about. The article was not about elderly Japanese people. Right?

This is the article you posted earlier:


Alright. Please have a good morning/afternoon/evening. Happy New Year to you.
 
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ponzicoinbro

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I see what the problem we are having is now. I think you misunderstood the Engadget article that you originally linked to. The article wasn’t about elderly people at work using floppy disks and fax machines. The article was about outdated government procedures that required the use of floppy disks and fax machines (a problem not unique to Japan — Google “COBOL Cowboys” to find a very interesting story about America and old government tech).

The use of floppy disks and fax machines at government workplaces isn’t because the workers are elderly. It’s because of a slow moving bureaucracy and such. That was what the article was about. The article was not about elderly Japanese people. Right?

This is the article you posted earlier:


Alright. Please have a good morning/afternoon/evening. Happy New Year to you.

The bureaucracy is aged that's the problem ;)

But frankly I think it's interesting that some of them still want to use fax machines. I've read their reasons and they are not irrational. It overlaps with global interest in vintage computing, retro gaming, vinyl records and all that. Some people just prefer to use some technology that isn't connected to the web.

Happy New Year to you too! :) 🇯🇵
 
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ian87w

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The problem with Japanese bureaucracy is two fold. First of course the natural slow transition of anything tech in a large institution, especially government where there are a ton of security concerns and legacy data/media. Second, the natural "old mindset" of the bureaucracats themselves since they will pander more towards the majority of the population, and unfortunately majority of the population in Japan is getting higher in the age bracket. As such they naturally cannot have a more nimble approach of many issues since most are focussing towards maintaining the familiarity with the aging majority.

If one had worked at or dealt with someone from a traditional Japanese company (not a startup), one would feel the rigid and inflexibility of the whole social and professional construct. There's a reason why many things, including business and culture where Japan used to have a huge influence in the past, now they are being overtaken by the S.Korean and Chinese.

Back to the topic, the fact that they actually initiated conversation with a tech company who at least have a privacy mindset like Apple imo is a good thing. Of course we wouldn't know the real agenda.
 
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loby

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What have you tried to do that requires the My Number Card? I can’t think of anything that would require the My Number Card (while not allow for a different form of ID to be used instead).

You don’t need it for opening a bank account (at least not any bank account that I’m aware of). I opened a new account few months ago and there wasn’t even an option for me to use my My Number Card as my ID for opening the account. I had my My Number Card, but they didn’t want that as my ID to open the account. They instead wanted front and back copies of my residents card, as well as a second form of identification such as a utility bill in my name, or a residence certificate from city hall or whathaveyou — I suppose to confirmed that I lived at the address where I said I lived. My drivers license functioned as my second form of ID.

That only thing (that I can think of — if there is something else, please let me know) that you absolutely need the My Number Card for is the bonus money you get through the various My Number Card sign-up incentive programs. Which, of course, makes perfect sense. You need to sign-up to get the sign-up bonus. And if you don’t sign-up, you don’t get the sign-up bonus. Lol
Fall 2024 becomes a mandate...

Sorry, it is in Japanese. Best to get someone who is fluent in Japanese to translate. Google etc. still not good for Japanese (though is good for basic things).


Not technically a mandate now, but will start in fall 2024.
 

loby

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Well, Tsutaya is slowly moving away from DVD/Blu-ray. It's a shame as I used to enjoy walking the isles and looking for something interesting to watch. They seem to be changing into more of a bookshop now, though you can still buy PS3/PS4/PS5 games and that sort of thing.
I noticed it too..it is a shame as Amazon and Netflix is on the move, but still has a way to go. I am another who likes to walk the isles in search of something to watch instead of having to wait for streaming download etc. Easy to just pop a disk into a player and hit play.

but..actually things are available still, not on the isles. There is a computer that if you punch in what you are looking for (have to know the title in Japanese - they always change the name as is their movie tradition) it might be in the back, or they will order it for you and it will arrive in a few days.

They reduced the isles for spacing, but many videos are still able to still rent. for 99 to 350 yen a movie, can't beat it. :)
 
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loby

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I noticed it too..it is a shame as Amazon and Netflix is on the move, but still has a way to go. I am another who likes to walk the isles in search of something to watch instead of having to wait for streaming download etc. Easy to just pop a disk into a player and hit play.

but..actually things are available still, not on the isles. There is a computer that if you punch in what you are looking for (have to know the title in Japanese - they always change the name as is their movie tradition) it might be in the back, or they will order it for you and it will arrive in a few days.

They reduced the isles for spacing, but many videos are still able to still rent. for 99 to 350 yen a movie, can't beat it. :)
just a side note from the topic thread:

Last week I paid 1.25 yen to rent John Carter and can rent it for a week. The benefits of still going to a DVD/Blu-ray shop, so I hope Tsutaya hangs on. :)

Actually to my surprise (after hearing negative reviews about the movie) it was a good movie. Found out that internal politics and other executives at Disney had 'other reasons' for purposely not promoting it, etc. Too bad. It was planned for a trilogy, but went to the axe even before offical release. Even Tom Cruise for many years wanted to play John Carter, but when it finally came out, he was too old (and probably cost too much anyway) for the part. The actor who played John Carter (forgot his name) was the perfect John Carter (as I would have imagined) when I read the books as a kid.

Anyway, some still like physical media, especially outside the U.S.
 
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MBAir2010

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people here will argue over anything just for the sense of arguing.


anyways, I always liked Japan and I was following the visit on twitter
and hopefully more companies here open up to Japan again like last last century.
 
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samuraiQ

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A lot of Americans get it wrong.

"My Number" itself is assigned to all Japanese citizens.

The Japanese government distributes "Cards" to the public, but they are not sufficiently popular. That's it.
In Japan, iPhone has the largest market share, so I want to install "Card" in Apple.
 

GuruZac

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As time goes by, I doubt Apple’s privacy standards more and more. It seems no matter what I do with my settings for tracking, Siri, etc conversations I have about random things continue to pop up in advertisements and Maps suggestions. At this point, pick your poison for ecosystems.
 
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BootsWalking

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What a load of b.s. - Im sick to death of hearing this same excuse for over 30 years despite the cost of production reducing constantly. This is the default response to try to shut people down. Remember most electronics are produced by automatic machines as they are not made by hand and therefore the labour cost is minimal. How can an automated robot have a labour cost? Anyone who repeats this same response has no idea on economics or the corrupt financial system and bear in mind most components for the iPhone are not from one manufacturer. Apple could easily get these assembled in Japan with the same components via Foxconn / HonHai.
I'm sorry that the reality of the situation upsets you. If your theory about robotics were true Foxconn wouldn't need 200,000 workers at its Zhengzhou plant to make iPhones.
 

nottorp

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Hmm is Japan as ID theft prone as the US? I mean there are plenty of countries where you get a SSN-like ID but making it public generally helps with nothing, since everyone verifies identities. Can you steal someone's money in Japan with just this "My Number" ?
 

High IQ Person

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I wonder if Apple could develop a manufacturing base in Japan. Japan is an ally of The West and has manufacturing talent from Toyota and other brands.

Japan is also in proximity to other manufacturing hubs in Southeast Asia, and would likely be a great place to continue to lessen the reliance on Chinese manufacturing.
Unlikely. Japan makes a lot of low quality crap right now.
They lose to Taiwan in logic fab, lose to Koreans in memory, NAND and display fab, lose to Americans in EVs.

Japan "quality" is a myth for the most part. Their products survive solely through that "quality" myth, but if you look at their history, they're responsible for some of the worst automotive quality issues in history like the Takata exploding airbag disaster that's still killing people today after almost a decade.
Hell, even their entertainment industry has been mostly a failure the past few decades even after their government spent billions and astroturfed social media sites with their "Cool Japan" propaganda.
Watch their auto industry go down in flames by end of this decade as Tesla steamrolls them into bankruptcy.
 
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SBlue1

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I wonder if Apple could develop a manufacturing base in Japan. Japan is an ally of The West and has manufacturing talent from Toyota and other brands.

Japan is also in proximity to other manufacturing hubs in Southeast Asia, and would likely be a great place to continue to lessen the reliance on Chinese manufacturing.
Too expensive. For example Japanese guitar brands make their regular guitars in China or Vietnam and their premium guitars in Japan. But they cost double the price. So I don't think we will ever see iPhones made in Japan. Maybe the Pros if any at all, but why should Apple let the higher manufacturing cost eat up the margins? Just to diversify? Don't think so.
 

High IQ Person

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Too expensive. For example Japanese guitar brands make their regular guitars in China or Vietnam and their premium guitars in Japan. But they cost double the price. So I don't think we will ever see iPhones made in Japan. Maybe the Pros if any at all, but why should Apple let the higher manufacturing cost eat up the margins? Just to diversify? Don't think so.
Agreed. Apple will move to India and Vietnam rather than Japan.
 

Robert.Walter

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>> Japan wants to use the My Number cards to store all kinds of personal information, from health insurance data to banking info, and they feature the user's photo, name, address, and date of birth, and there are potential issues with data leaks. <<

Wow, talk about a centralized honey pot of valuable information for the baddies to be targeting. No wonder only 1/2 the population has one of these (bit amazed its that many). While the benefits of all this information being available in one place are large - security for such valuable items is difficult, expensive, seems never fool proof and ever changing...not something normally associated with government bureaucracies (and nearly all businesses won't spend the money needed).

Quite frankly it really seems we need to fix the security angle on things before embracing stuff like this (i.e. our security tech is not ready). JMHO... Thinking here in the U.S., such a thing would probably be cracked and downloaded in the 1st year of release. Good luck to Japan on such a thing though.

That crack would likely happen on the server side as opposed to the handset side (depending on operating system, update status, and how much side-loading the user had done.)
 
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