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Funny how some people assume it's Google that came running to Apple. "Google is running scared", "Google is going to lose revenue with iOS 6", etc..

Have you guys ever thought it might be Apple that initiated these talks after seeing the Motorola patents raised in a lawsuit this week ?.
yes, I have wondered that, but not because of Moto patents.

Because of NFC and payment patents. Yes, Apple has an iWallet patent, but Google is already doing it, they likely already have a portfolio of pay from mobile via NFC patents that could be blocking Apple from adding it to the upcoming iPhone, and they want to start developing the features into Passbook for next years iPhone.
 
Yes. Thats exactly what they've done.

Google does create some revenue through licensing. Sites that generate more than a certain amount of traffic by incorporating Google Maps pay licensing fees for the privilege. But for a company of Google's size, its insignificant.

The problem, as far as Google is concerned, is that Google makes far more money from each iPhone user (because iPhone users tend to use more Google services and sites) than it does on each Android user.

Think about that for a moment.

The biggest threat to Google's profitability in the mobile arena is Android - Google's own mobile operating system.

If ever there was an incentive for Google to keep talking to Apple, thats it. Not because Google is afraid of being sued by Apple.

So what do you suggest is the solution to this predicament googles put themselves in.
 
The fewer Android handsets sold = Less income for Google.

Add three more samsung phones to the potential loss.

Apple targets more Samsung products in patent suit :

"Seeking to capitalize on a major legal victory over its rival Samsung Electronics Ltd, Apple Inc has asked a federal court in a separate case to find that four additional Samsung products, including the Galaxy S III, infringe Apple's patents."


Looks like the talks between Larry Page and Tim Cook are going great.
 
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The fewer Android handsets sold = Less income for Google.

Add three more samsung phones to the potential loss.

Apple targets more Samsung products in patent suit :

"Seeking to capitalize on a major legal victory over its rival Samsung Electronics Ltd, Apple Inc has asked a federal court in a separate case to find that four additional Samsung products, including the Galaxy S III, infringe Apple's patents."


Looks like the talks between Larry Page and Tim Cook are going great.

I didn't knew that Larry Page was Samsung CEO
 
Google doesn't make money on the Android phones themselves, they make money selling detailed, targeted information about the people who buy Android phones. But you knew that...

Hum, no, they don't. They make money by selling ad placement based on the fact that they have detailed, targeted information about the people who own android phones, use Google services, use Admob partners, etc..

Google doesn't sell their information, that would be shooting themselves in the foot. You don't sell your golden egg laying goose, you make it lay eggs.
 
This is what the Galaxy Nexus, SGIII, Note and Note 10.1 are being included for

5,946,647 (the “’647 Patent”)

System and method for performing an action on a structure in computer-generated data

6,847,959 (the “’959 Patent”)

Universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system

8,046,721 (the “’721 Patent”)

Unlocking a device by performing gestures on an unlock image

8,074,172 (the “’172 Patent”)

Method, system, and graphical user interface for providing word recommendations

8,014,760 (the “’760 Patent”)

Missed telephone call management for a portable multifunction device

5,666,502 (the “’502 Patent”)

Graphical user interface using historical lists with field classes

7,761,414 (the “’414 Patent”)

Asynchronous data synchronization amongst devices

8,086,604 (the “’604 Patent”)

Universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system

the Amended complaint
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1329077/261.pdf

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Hum, no, they don't. They make money by selling ad placement based on the fact that they have detailed, targeted information about the people who own android phones, use Google services, use Admob partners, etc..

Google doesn't sell their information, that would be shooting themselves in the foot. You don't sell your golden egg laying goose, you make it lay eggs.

sad how much some people here hate on Google for something they don't even do
 
Hum, no, they don't. They make money by selling ad placement based on the fact that they have detailed, targeted information about the people who own android phones, use Google services, use Admob partners, etc..

Google doesn't sell their information, that would be shooting themselves in the foot. You don't sell your golden egg laying goose, you make it lay eggs.

And it's clear people aren't reading even the last page of this thread. Google ALSO makes money on selling their Apps. I'm sure it's not a HUGE boon to their income - but it's false to say they don't make any money from Android.

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sad how much some people here hate on Google for something they don't even do

The problem is that some people choose to be lazy and believe everything they read - on FORUMS and/or biased rumor sites instead of seeking out the truth for themselves. Then they go ahead and repost the information and it's like the worst game of "operator" on the internet possible because what might have started out as a slight bit of misunderstanding turns into "canon" and is recited over and over as fact.
 
5,946,647 (the “’647 Patent”)

System and method for performing an action on a structure in computer-generated data

http://www.google.com/patents/US5946647

This is the "HTC ban" patent. IE, detecting a phone number/e-mail address and turning into a clickable link.

6,847,959 (the “’959 Patent”)

Universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system

8,086,604 (the “’604 Patent”)

Universal interface for retrieval of information in a computer system

http://www.google.com/patents/US6847959
http://www.google.com/patents/US8086604

These two seem to be the spotlight patents. IE, the "Google search box searches online and locally so it infringes" patents. Samsung already had to issue a workaround for this for the Galaxy Nexus, amending the complaint to a wider set of phones is a no brainer and will just force Samsung to work around it for all their handsets.

8,046,721 (the “’721 Patent”)

Unlocking a device by performing gestures on an unlock image

http://www.google.com/patents/US8046721

Slide to Unlock.

This one (or at least a few of its claims) are contested based on this earlier patent :

http://www.google.com/patents/US8095879

Filing date 2002. It's funny because Apple has a more recent (filed in 2011) slide to unlock patent where they now acknowledge the Neonode patent as prior art :

http://www.google.com/patents/US8209637

Seems they know that '721 is probably invalid and filed a new one for their improvements over Neonode's '879. Samsung is probably going to go for invalidation for this one ('721 I mean).

8,074,172 (the “’172 Patent”)

Method, system, and graphical user interface for providing word recommendations

http://www.google.com/patents/US8074172

2007 filed patent for the iPhone spell checking system that automatically suggests corrections and enables to perform them by using the spacebar or cancel them by touching the X. Applies only to mobile devices with touch screens according to the claims.

8,014,760 (the “’760 Patent”)

Missed telephone call management for a portable multifunction device

http://www.google.com/patents/US8014760

This one is a doozy. Basically, they've patented the list of "Missed phone calls with callback based on a touch". Obviousness ? Is there even any other way to do this ?

This one has a late filing, June 2007. I wonder what Windows Mobile, Palm Treos or Sony Ericsson Px phones could provide as far as prior art on this one.

I haven't read all the claims, it's a long one, but from the first few claims, it seems to me this is pretty broad. Does it get more precise near the end ?

5,666,502 (the “’502 Patent”)

Graphical user interface using historical lists with field classes

http://www.google.com/patents/US5666502

This one is purely being used against the Galaxy Note. It's for pen-based computer systems, and it dates all the way back to 1995, having been granted in 1997. What's the expiration delay in the US ?

Anyway, seems to be pretty basic, but as its quite old, digging out prior art will probably be impossible. Basically, it's the "History" patent, ie, start "inputing" something in a text field and choices pop up based on recently typed data in the field. Think your web browsers search bar where you begin to type a URL and if it's a site you've visited, the browser suggests it based on the history file.

Except for pen based computers only. They've patented the browser URL bar on a pen based computer. In 1995 no less. :(

Of course... Samsung could go around this one fairly easily. If they use "Google Instant" instead of a history file, they're in the clear. Google Instant is based on results generated not from your previous entries, but from most likely entries based on their searching metrics and text detection. If they detect the start of a URL, based on DNS information they can complete it. If it's a string, they can start searching for that and return the first few results keywords or suggest more keywords.

Like Chrome now does. So Samsung could simply use Google Instant and replace the history file on the Galaxy Note. I doubt many users would notice. Once the patent expires, they can just add back the history functionality.

7,761,414 (the “’414 Patent”)

Asynchronous data synchronization amongst devices

http://www.google.com/patents/US7761414

Pretty technical, not sure I'm grasping the extents of this one. On the surface, it looks to be very basic and cover a wide array of synchronization occurring at the same time you're using the device being synchronized, but it could be more precise in its application. Hard to tell.

Again, if its broad, obviousness comes to mind. Any programmer would have done the same (send synchronization to a background thread while continuing to execute the software on the main thread so that the user can keep using the device while synchronizing). This was filed in 2007. Depending on the claims, prior art might be doable.
 
Google doesn't make money on the Android phones themselves, they make money selling detailed, targeted information about the people who buy Android phones. But you knew that...

No, they don't, Google doesn't track Android phones, Google makes money selling ad placement from web search, web use or ad mob. And ot works exactly the same in Android, iOS, WP7 or Symbian.
 
The fact of the matter is that Android shipments don't make money for Google. Mobile search is where Google makes its money.

Mobile ads are where Google makes about 10% (and rising) of its money now, but the majority of it is not from searches. Read on...

And iPhone users still use mobile search (and make money for Google) far more than Android users do.

Yes, that Google exec told Congress in Sept 2011 that about 2/3 of their (US?) mobile searches came because of their deal with Apple.

However, because of the way bloggers clipped the video, most people never listened to the rest of that conversation. Then it becomes clearer that the "2/3" only referred to number of searches, not percentage of revenue.

She went on to clarify that all the stats about Google having the most mobile searches were extremely misleading, as the majority of Google's mobile revenue comes from ads placed in regular apps... NOT from search.

Therefore Apple's implementation of their own maps will not have as much an impact as some think. Heck, it might even save Google map licensing fees.

Google's bottom line depends on people seeing online ads - not how many Samsung or HTC phones use the Android OS.

Correct, and according to analysts, Google makes about $7 per year per mobile device, whether it's a phone or tablet, running iOS or Android. (Oracle claimed it was $14 per year per Android phone, but they were going for damages.)

So the way that Apple can most affect Google, is by pushing app developers to use iAds.

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Mobile ads are where Google makes about 10% (and rising) of its money now, but the majority of it is not from searches. Read on...
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I don't think you read the link I referenced. It detailed how traffic analysis shows that, even though Samsung leads Apple in smartphone shipments, iPhone traffic outpaced competing Samsung smartphone traffic by eight times. Thats not year-old Google executive testimony. Thats recent traffic analysis.

And thats the big problem Android has: possession without utilization. (OK, I get that Android phone users probably use their phones to text, e-mail, and talk the same as iPhone users do.)

But talking, texting, and e-mailing don't make money for Google. Its generalized web-browsing (including search) that makes money for Google. Its not only a problem short-term (no web-based mobile search revenue) but also long-term, in that possession-without-utilization is what caused the RIM bandwagon to so rapidly shed its wheels. (Lots of folks bought Crackberries, but as soon as the iPhone - and Android - came along, they hadn't built up enough ecosystem buy-in to prevent them from switching.)
 
I don't think you read the link I referenced.

Sure, I read it. It's the same traffic analysis we've seen for years: more iPhone users hit those tracked websites than Android users, and more iPad users hit those sites than iPhone users.

But talking, texting, and e-mailing don't make money for Google. Its generalized web-browsing (including search) that makes money for Google.

Apparently you didn't read my post :)

Web browsing (including search) is NOT the majority of Google's mobile ad revenue. Ads inside apps are.
 
I don't think you read the link I referenced. It detailed how traffic analysis shows that, even though Samsung leads Apple in smartphone shipments, iPhone traffic outpaced competing Samsung smartphone traffic by eight times. Thats not year-old Google executive testimony. Thats recent traffic analysis.

First, that's not recent analysis, it is from more than a year ago. And I think you haven't read this:

But for in-app ad impressions and browsing the products are used in a similar manner.
 
Feeling the heat now, Larry? But I thought Android and your lackey Schmidt had nothing to do with stealing IP from Apple, right?

Android is DEAD. And so is Google.

I hope this is sarcasm. I really hope it is or humanity has gone down in my estimation. Again.
 
Lol @the people who still didn't understand this is about America vs. Foreign country (Korea for Samsung)
 
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