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Tim Cook and Larry Page Working to Address Patent Issues Between Apple and Google

GadgetDon said:
What Apple does is take very disparate concepts and tech, reworks into something people haven't seen before the is ground breaking, and hones it to a fine point of user friendliness and usability. Yes, there were MP3 players before the iPod, even hard drive MP3 players before the iPod, but the iPod launches as something anyone can use rather than the geek toy they were before. The iPhone launches and throws the expectation of a smartphone completely on its head, leading Samsung and others to write reports of "we're in deep ****, here's where we're behind on the iPhone and need to catch up".
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But to argue "the step from single touch smartphones to multitouch is the same as a notification tray" is silly.
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I'll admit that Apple knocked it out of the park with the iPod and the original iPhone. They were great products, which significantly raised the bar for the rest of the industry.

The trouble I have is with the mentality that seems to prevail around here. Apple is a corporation, so their behavior is not surprising (it is much easier for Apple to expand market share by enforcing patents than it is for them to continue raising the bar which is already set so high). What I can't understand, is the people on these forums that vehemently defend everything Apple does, and despise every single competing product just because it doesn't have a :apple: symbol branded on it.

In our house, we have a Mac Pro, Macbook Pro, Macbook Air, Mac Mini, Apple TV, two iPads, and an iPhone 4s (wife's phone). They are all great products, but I love my Android phone too. Meanwhile, it is is exciting to see Microsoft reinventing its platform, and I look forward to the next wave of innovation that will result from their latest concepts. Google's cloud services are also raising the bar, and I'm positive that we would still be stuck using the crappy .mac service if it weren't for this healthy competition.

There are a lot of rational people on these forums too, but for those of you that simply can't see anything beyond Apple's walled garden, please stop drinking the cool aid. Apple doesn't get everything right. They have industry leading products in some areas, but in others they are behind. This is a good thing. While these companies fight it out, we the end user will be the ultimate beneficiaries, as long as a deeply flawed patent system doesn't get in the way..
 
I enjoy reading these threads. Every few posts is some die hard Google hater. It's like they killed your first born child or something with all this anger.

Anyway, cross licensing would be good for both sides. Can make their litigation team smaller :p
 
Menel said:
Apple was on the forefront of multi-touch, saw the potential and bought into it. Pioneered the technology behind projected capacitance multitouch, iPhone was the first mobile device with it and it revolutionized user interfaces as we know today.
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A multi-touch projected capacitive glass screen was developed by Bell Labs in the early 1980s.

The iPhone was the first to actually market multi-touch on a mass consumer device.

However, the Open Moko project was first to announce the intention to use multi-touch and pinch zoom on a phone, in November 2006.

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Nobody paid attention to it until the iPhone came out two months later. Suddenly reporters remembered it: Open Moko, Did They Have a Time Machine or What? (Proof that many ideas aren't noticed until a major company sells them.)

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iMikeT said:
Make Google pay!
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For what? Apple's been the one waging war against anything non-apple out there. I honestly think this is a more diplomatic way of getting things done. It doesn't cost much, it's much more productive, and they don't look like fools running after each other at the expense of wasted time and making all the consumers angry. But if you were being sarcastic, with all due respect, please disregard.
 
kdarling said:
A multi-touch projected capacitive glass screen was developed by Bell Labs in the early 1980s.

The iPhone was the first to actually market multi-touch on a mass consumer device.

However, the Open Moko project was first to announce the intention to use multi-touch and pinch zoom on a phone, in November 2006.

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Nobody paid attention to it until the iPhone came out two months later. Suddenly reporters remembered it: Open Moko, Did They Have a Time Machine or What? (Proof that many ideas aren't noticed until a major company sells them.)

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Wow. Just wow. What they didn't have was Steve Jobs and his team of marketing magicians. If only.
 
GadgetDon said:
What Apple does is take very disparate concepts and tech, reworks into something people haven't seen before the is ground breaking, and hones it to a fine point of user friendliness and usability. Yes, there were MP3 players before the iPod, even hard drive MP3 players before the iPod, but the iPod launches as something anyone can use rather than the geek toy they were before. The iPhone launches and throws the expectation of a smartphone completely on its head, leading Samsung and others to write reports of "we're in deep ****, here's where we're behind on the iPhone and need to catch up". (Whether you think it should be proof of copying or not, the document clearly shows high concern about not measuring up to the iPhone.) The tablet market was dead, all attempts to make them failed outside of a few niche markets, and the iPad is something that gets wide use.

Others then adopt the new Apple product wholesale, and start making changes. It's the squint test, compare the Apple product to what came before, squint hard, and you can say yeah, this feature in Apple's product probably came from here, this feature probably came from there. Comparing to what happens after (at least the first couple of generations), you squint and say "OK, that's a little different from the Apple product" "OK, I can see a little differentiator there".

If the competitors were inspired by Apple's success to do what they did, go back to the original parts and create something, there would be some overlap, but there also would be some real innovation as they find the other paths up the mountain. But the similarity, coming with the same conclusions in so many places and always after Apple, makes that unlikely.

But OK, anyone who spends that much time probably won't succeed because they'll be too far behind.

And there are advances Google has made on top of the iPhone. Yes, they got notification trays and wireless syncing right first, among others. I wish Apple was more aggressively deal making as opposed to litigation (and so I'm really hoping for something substantial to come out of this). But to argue "the step from single touch smartphones to multitouch is the same as a notification tray" is silly.
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Apple, the first to have this idea? Wrong.

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Evoken said:
Sigh, I've been losing respect for Samsung as a brand really fast over the last couple of weeks.
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You shouldn't lose respect over a brand because of press, you should lose respect for a brand that makes bad products, as of right now. Samsungs Galaxy S3 looks better than the iPhone 4S and the 5 ( assuming rumors are true )
 
Thex1138 said:
Samsung can't get enough court room love...

http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/29/3276599/samsung-series-5-series-7-slate-windows-8

Funny how 'The Verge' reviewed the product without a wiff off Apple love...nor the fact that it's a clone... See u in court chimps.

:rolleyes:
:apple:
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Evoken said:
Sigh, I've been losing respect for Samsung as a brand really fast over the last couple of weeks.
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Ahh yes... Apple now magically owns Sony's black chiclet keyboard design. :rolleyes:

Clone??? Of what? I don't recall Apple making a tablet/laptop hybrid with a detachable screen that becomes a standalone tablet.
 
rjohnstone said:
Clone??? Of what? I don't recall Apple making a tablet/laptop hybrid with a detachable screen that becomes a standalone tablet.
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Wow, first they claim they can see no similarities between Samsung smartphones and UI (though a jury had no problem seeing it right away), now they're going to claim this new laptop "design" is not a rip.

Do you guys type this stuff with a straight face? Or are you not looking at your screens at all before you type your pro-Samesung rebuttals?
 
OK, time to unsubscribe from this thread and close the tab. It's getting very silly - and I normally have a high tolerance for silly.
 
Evoken said:
Sigh, I've been losing respect for Samsung as a brand really fast over the last couple of weeks.
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Are you really implying that Samsung's Windows 8 hybrid is a Macbook Air clone?

You think Samsung's brand is fading? As a result of posts like yours (assuming that is what you meant), I am tempted to sell every Apple product I own. A part of me just doesn't want to be associated in any way with the zombie fanboy mentality that seems to be taking hold of Apple lovers. Luckily I don't care enough about social stereotypes to actually do it..
 
rjohnstone said:
Ahh yes... Apple now magically owns Sony's black chiclet keyboard design. :rolleyes:

Clone??? Of what? I don't recall Apple making a tablet/laptop hybrid with a detachable screen that becomes a standalone tablet.
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Where did I say they own it?

The point in that regardless of whether it's a half breed device... when assembled as a Netbook... it's an MBP Air clone... Aluminum casing, keyboard layout... Side by side, there's no difference appearance-wise. :rolleyes:
 
smacman said:
Are you really implying that Samsung's Windows 8 hybrid is a Macbook Air clone?

You think Samsung's brand is fading? As a result of posts like yours (assuming that is what you meant), I am tempted to sell every Apple product I own. A part of me just doesn't want to be associated in any way with the zombie fanboy mentality that seems to be taking hold of Apple lovers. Luckily I don't care enough about social stereotypes to actually do it..
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Yeah I am a zombie Apple fanboy, must be why I am dumping iPhone for an Android phone soon...:rolleyes:

As far as Samsung brand fading, I didn't say anything of the sort.
 
saving107 said:
I recently switched to the Nokia Lumia 900 and since Microsoft introduced their Windows Phone I have been impressed with what they have done on that platform, and with their 7.5 Mango update and the introduction of the Lumia 900 I was ready to make the jump.

I feel like Microsoft (and Nokia) put in a great amount of effort to come up with a UI that is completely original and unlike others in both software and hardware.
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With all due respect how do you like that you paid so much money for a mobile phone but you are not eligible for the next major upgrade of the OS?
 
joemod said:
With all due respect how do you like that you paid so much money for a mobile phone but you are not eligible for the next major upgrade of the OS?
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I was 100% aware when I bought my phone that it will not qualify for the next major update, but at the point of purchase my phone was advertised as having 7.5 Mango as the OS, and it works just fine for me. I like owning gadgets, but if I chose to always wait for the latest and greatest I would end up never owning anything.

Updates are meant to be an added bonus, but I bought a device that promised me 7.5 Mango and thats what I will continue to have (I was never promised an update to Apollo, so I have no reason to get mad when the time comes around and I can't update).

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I would like to add that Target had the Nokia Lumia 900 on ad for $29 as an upgrade, which I was eligible but they didn't have the white model, so AT&T matched Target's ad price and waived the activation fee, so yeah I got a Nokia Lumia 900 white model for $29+ tax.

So I'm OK having spent all that money on a device that I can not update in the future.
 
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BC2009 said:
Agreed. As a shareholder of AAPL, I would love it Apple and Google achieved a cross-licensing agreement with a "no-cloning" clause with Apple getting revenue from every Android device sold.

An agreement like this would do more to help Apple maintain their uniqueness in the market than a dozen lawsuit wins on two-year-old smartphones. It would also make Apple some serious extra revenue.
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Yep, sounds like the best solution... for apple... and the sanity of the internet...lol.
 
BRLawyer said:
Feeling the heat now, Larry? But I thought Android and your lackey Schmidt had nothing to do with stealing IP from Apple, right?

Android is DEAD. And so is Google.
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No offence but....are you completely deluded? Neither Google or Android are anywhere near dead....and if you seriously think they will be after a phone conversation, or even a lawsuit, you clearly know bugger all about...well...anything!
 
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