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Tim Cook and Other Tech Executives Meet with President Obama to Discuss Government Surveillance
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I have nothing to hide from people I trust.
And here's a bonus quote for you.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
- Benjamin Franklin
This is the attitude that has allowed the rot to set in. In a free society government should be there to serve the people not the other way round.
And we're making it considerably less perfect if we don't keep our privacy from the government.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin
By moving the company out of the US. They already have offices and employees all over the world, start moving the important parts of the company as well if they are serious about it. It's not easy to get whole departments to move, indeed nearly impossible, but it is doable. It is not only in the US that smart people are born/educated etc. I bet lots of the researchers and product designers have moved to California from outside of the states.
Maybe Ive can move back to UK
In a perfect world, we could trust the authorities with all our "private" data. Trouble is, we don't live in a perfect world.
Not once did he say he knew "millions of laws" or said that they are all good laws.
He said "The true danger is one that doesn't know their rights"
He did not say "The true danger is one that doesn't know the law"
And just in case it's not clear, I think he means our unalienable rights as defined in the "Bill of Rights"
Where does tyranny start? How does a nation become one where it's citizens lose their freedom?
It starts with control. It happens when the government can identify people who are willing to stand up for themselves and who are willing to fight them to preserve freedom. We US citizens cling to our guns and our rights because we would rather die than not be free. We individually are more important than our government and we come before them. Every time we see them trample on our rights it stirs us up like a hornets nest because you have to remind your government that they belong to us, not us to them. So EVERY time we see them meddling in our lives we get pissed.
It has nothing to do with us not doing anything wrong and it has everything to do with us seeing the government doing something wrong by moving in the direction of controlling us.
Well one things is for certain. The government is no longer representative of the people. I wonder what will happen next.
So they met in secret (no surprise) and there is no meat or potatoes in the article.
I want to know WTF was said, and who made a call for action.
I want to know WTF was said, and who made a call for action.
I always see this quotation used in these type of discussions. Just want to mention that this quotation doesn't mean what everyone thinks it does. The idea that liberty and security are in some sort of balance was never intended by Franklin. This quotation is taken completely out of context.
Here's the story behind the real meaning of the quotation: http://www.lawfareblog.com/2011/07/what-ben-franklin-really-said/
I'm with you 100% on the dynamic of people looking to government to solve everything. However, you have to know that when the next act of terrorism happens the FIRST thing the MSM will do is ask "where's the government in all of this? Why didn't they have our back?" Happens every single time. And the intelligence-impaired perrenial head-nodders will nod their fool heads off in agreement.
Awesome! Your are the 27-billionth and 27-billion-and- first people to put this quote into a forum discussion!
I do have to wonder after reading threads like this...how many of these people spend large parts of every day stressing about what they feel is the direct loss of rights they feel they once had? How much do they talk about it with others? How much does it actually affect them?
By moving the company out of the US. They already have offices and employees all over the world, start moving the important parts of the company as well if they are serious about it. It's not easy to get whole departments to move, indeed nearly impossible, but it is doable. It is not only in the US that smart people are born/educated etc. I bet lots of the researchers and product designers have moved to California from outside of the states.
Maybe Ive can move back to UK
And this is i suspect the only reason the government is meeting with the Apples and Googles of the world.
If apple for example were to remove large portions of their business from the US, and de-list from the US exchange, there would be a MASSIVE dent in the US economy.
I bet Benjamin Franklin is spinning so fast in his grave you could use him as an electricity generator.
Glassed Silver:mac
Julian Assange
Bradley Manning
Edward Snowden
And they are just the recent ones. Talking to obama is like talking to a brick wall. Obama already has punished the innocent and made heroes of the guilty. And the Tech CEOs want transparent surveillance from the US government? That's a joke. I hope the Tech CEO's understand this.
Bradley Manning
Edward Snowden
And they are just the recent ones. Talking to obama is like talking to a brick wall. Obama already has punished the innocent and made heroes of the guilty. And the Tech CEOs want transparent surveillance from the US government? That's a joke. I hope the Tech CEO's understand this.
You're joking, right?
"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" is the most ******** line of reasoning ever.
Warrants are legally required for a reason, a constitutional reason.
If the government has nothing to fear about all of this illegal and unconstitutional spying on it's citizens, why is it hiding it from us?
OH RIGHT.
They can resist wealthy interests. They can't resist suggestions that their families might be in horrific car crashes unless they comply with the government.
You would think so but Apple has not exactly cultivated Washington interests. And they probably haven't not bent to anyone's will - yet. I'd imagine threat is in not being able to continue to make their billions.
By moving the company out of the US. They already have offices and employees all over the world, start moving the important parts of the company as well if they are serious about it. It's not easy to get whole departments to move, indeed nearly impossible, but it is doable. It is not only in the US that smart people are born/educated etc. I bet lots of the researchers and product designers have moved to California from outside of the states.
Maybe Ive can move back to UK
Where can Apple move? Isn't the UK as bad or worse than the US when it comes to surveillance? Maybe they should move to Mexico? It may be riskier but it sure is more free than the US. This is sarcastic but there is some truth to it on an individual level.
Oh, you've done it now. "Goat" is one of those words on the NSA watch list the server-bots are harvesting.
Nice knowin' you!
For all we know, during this meeting the company heads were served with National Security Letters instructing them that the only public comment they can make about the talks is to say there was "productive dialogue" - but privately informing them that nothing would change.
