So the Boston bombing didn't happen?
Please explain the point you're trying to make. I'm not following you.
So the Boston bombing didn't happen?
Homeowners had nonrecourse loans and walked away from underwater houses and began renting. Except the stupid ones.nothing to provide relief to the homeowners.
The deficit has been cut in half during Obama's presidency, there's no imminent threat there. The problem is unemployment which remains at historic highs.
Were those attacks prevented because of the NSA spying? Wasn't that the whole point of your rant there.Please explain the point you're trying to make. I'm not following you.
So the Boston bombing didn't happen?
Or it means no matter how much of out privacy we give up it won't make a difference so why bother.Though I've heard it said a lot, I have no idea what that means as an argument. No system of Early Warning is, or has to be, 100% perfect for it to be worthwhile. In fact, nothing came up when the FBI checked out Tamerlan and family. They could have monitored his parents, who according to a story in the Boston Globe today, are a really dysfunctional family, and the fact that Tamerlan was hearing voices telling him to do things, and younger brother really was the organizer. And the family may have been dysfunctional enough that they produced weird kids.
This is all internally-generated, probably motivated by needy parents and great dysfunction. The fact that the NSA didn't come up with this guy is proof that they are not the massive internal snoop agency/Stasi that The Greenwald alleges is the case.
I'm glad they are concerned about my privacy...
Mr. Cook, please keep your eye on Apple's business instead.
So the Boston bombing didn't happen?
The deficit has been cut in half during Obama's presidency, there's no imminent threat there. The problem is unemployment which remains at historic highs.
Were those attacks prevented because of the NSA spying? Wasn't that the whole point of your rant there.
…..To be clear, in a stable society you willingly give up SOME freedom in order to get SOME security. If you do not, you have a chaotic society where everyone is "free" to do anything. The opposite of extreme is being locked in a box where no harm can touch you. There is a middle ground that every society must come to an agreement on.
Trouble arises when a few people make the decision about where that point is, instead of the society as a whole. Make no mistake that even if the society decides, there will always be people on the fringe that think too much freedom has been lost, or not enough security exists.
I personally think we are too far into the security, and not close enough to the freedom. But it's unlikely that society will settle on the same point on the spectrum that I wish it to be. I would however not like that point decided behind closed doors without the backing of society. In this way, I can choose a different country/society to live in if this one no longer suits me.
After watching 60 Minutes yesterday, I actually feel a little better about the whole NSA/Prism situation.
With proper oversight and accountability, we need to allow the government certain tools to protect us, or another 9/11, or much worse, could be here sooner rather than later.
I guess Stephenson is there to represent what the US Navy refers to as the "open kimono" contingent?- Randall Stephenson, Chairman & CEO, AT&T
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Tim Cook and other tech executives will meet with President Obama tomorrow to discuss the Healthcare.gov website, as well as "national security and the economic impacts of unauthorized intelligence disclosures". In addition, the group will discuss ways the Obama administration can partner with the tech sector to grow the economy and create new jobs.
According to a report from Time:
According to the report, the following executives will attend:
- Tim Cook, CEO, Apple
- Dick Costolo, CEO, Twitter
- Chad Dickerson, CEO, Etsy
- Reed Hastings, Co-Founder & CEO, Netflix
- Drew Houston, Founder & CEO, Dropbox
- Marissa Mayer, President and CEO, Yahoo!
- Burke Norton, Chief Legal Officer, Salesforce
- Mark Pincus, Founder, Chief Product Officer & Chairman, Zynga
- Shervin Pishevar, Co-Founder & Co-CEO, Sherpa Global
- Brian Roberts, Chairman & CEO, Comcast
- Erika Rottenberg, Vice President, General Counsel and Secretary, LinkedIn
- Sheryl Sandberg, COO, Facebook
- Eric Schmidt, Executive Chairman, Google
What red tape, they suck up every piece of data on the internet. There is no red tape but there needs to be, a lot of it.Of course they happened, and that's precisely why these surveillance programs are a necessary evil. Don't get me wrong, I'm not willing to give carte-blanche permission to the NSA, to do as they please.
What I am saying is, let them do their jobs without being ham-strung by a myriad of paralyzing red tape (inflicted upon them by well-meaning but misinformed 'absolute freedom' proponents), but with a definite chain of oversight and accountability to prevent abuses.
Earendil below said it very well.
Where is the straw man, you mean the NSA saying they are stalking us to protect us from terrorists that still managed to kill people? Or is that the excuse they are using to track our every move?Straw man argument.
After watching 60 Minutes yesterday, I actually feel a little better about the whole NSA/Prism situation.
With proper oversight and accountability, we need to allow the government certain tools to protect us, or another 9/11, or much worse, could be here sooner rather than later.
So Erich Schmidt is there at the conference? Was he sent by the NSA as their clandestine representative?
Rocketman said:In half from where? Bush had a $450B budget deficit and that was with two raging wars. Obama ramped that to $1.5T right away
Mr. Cook, please keep your eye on Apple's business instead.
Well, they are concerned about their privacy. Yours? Not so much.
They want it to themselves.
Bush gave Obama TARP authority of hundreds of billions of dollars and in 2009 Obama got the stimulus bill (amendment to FY09 months after Bush was gone March 11) which added to the budget baseline by over $850B in addition. Don't forget Bush was cooperating with Obama during the transition. The "stimulus" was the so-called shovel ready stuff, massive transfer payments to states, every pork program Pelosi could find x 2, and some other stuff thrown in including the ACORN stuff which was reversed after a legal gotcha. That's the $850B in a single year.How exactly was Obama responsible for the FY2009 budget which was agreed in October 2008 before he was even elected?
Bush gave Obama TARP authority of hundreds of billions of dollars and in 2009 Obama got the stimulus bill (amendment to FY08 months after Bush was gone) which added to the budget baseline by over $850B in addition. Don't forget Bush was cooperating with Obama during the transition. The "stimulus" was the so-called shovel ready stuff, massive transfer payments to states, every pork program Pelosi could find x 2, and some other stuff thrown in including the ACORN stuff which was reversed after a legal gotcha. That's the $850B in a single year.
The approximately $350B TARP Bush handed Obama was used for the GM thing, Chrysler, and the suppliers and finance companies including GE. The only funds that will never be paid back are the approximately $20B Obama gave to the auto worker's unions unfunded pensions which would have been wiped in BK, but were not. Also $24B of the GM BK financing.
The numbers are pretty close. There are plenty of books on the details.
The key takeaway is since the 2009 budget (FY 08 edit) with the $850B increase in the budget baseline, the D Senate has NEVER passed a budget and sent it for reconciliation with the R House, despite the house passing budgets each and every year. By dragging their feet on the budget which requires only 51 votes and the D has 55, the increased budget baseline stayed in place through Continuing Resolutions (CR) with the associated fights each time. That's what happened and why the $1T annual deficit persisted for 5 years now. Only sequestration reduced it to about $650B right now as an annual addition to debt this year alone. FY 08-13 is 5 budget years without a budget and only CR's and debt limit increases to track the $1T per year new debt on average.
President Barak Obama has never passed a budget. Think about that. That's how Presidents usually govern.
All that government concentration reduced GDP and employment and labor participation and zeroed out savers with the resulting Fed action, further reducing GDP.
Rocketman
It seems very odd to me that people are still relying on healthcare.gov to purchase health insurance...other websites, like ehealthinsurance.com have been fully functional since October 1st and have provided a working means to purchase ACA approved plans within minutes and no glitches whatsoever. What a shock that a website run by profit-driven entrepreneurs works easily without a hitch, whereas a website run by the government is completely broken.
Bush gave Obama TARP authority of hundreds of billions of dollars and in 2009 Obama got the stimulus bill (amendment to FY08 months after Bush was gone) which added to the budget baseline by over $850B in addition. Don't forget Bush was cooperating with Obama during the transition. The "stimulus" was the so-called shovel ready stuff, massive transfer payments to states, every pork program Pelosi could find x 2, and some other stuff thrown in including the ACORN stuff which was reversed after a legal gotcha. That's the $850B in a single year.
The approximately $350B TARP Bush handed Obama was used for the GM thing, Chrysler, and the suppliers and finance companies including GE. The only funds that will never be paid back are the approximately $20B Obama gave to the auto worker's unions unfunded pensions which would have been wiped in BK, but were not. Also $24B of the GM BK financing.
The numbers are pretty close. There are plenty of books on the details.
The key takeaway is since the 2009 stimulus bill (FY 08 edit D House, D Senate, D President) with the $850B increase in the budget baseline, the D Senate has NEVER passed a budget and sent it for reconciliation with the R House, despite the house passing budgets each and every year. By dragging their feet on the budget which requires only 51 votes and the D has 55, the increased budget baseline stayed in place through Continuing Resolutions (CR) with the associated fights each time. That's what happened and why the $1T annual deficit persisted for 5 years now. Only sequestration reduced it to about $650B right now as an annual addition to debt this year alone. FY 08-13 is 5 budget years without a budget and only CR's and debt limit increases to track the $1T per year new debt on average.
President Barak Obama has never passed a budget. Think about that. That's how Presidents usually govern.
All that government concentration reduced GDP and employment and labor participation and zeroed out savers with the resulting Fed action, further reducing GDP.