I look at Android and see buggy garbage. Android will not be able to hold a candle to the most anticipated phone of the year (iPhone5) or iPad.
*Eagerly waiting for iPhone 5 release*
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Tim Cook and Samsung CEO to Discuss Patent Dispute One Last Time Today Ahead of Jury Deliberations
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I look at Android and see buggy garbage. Android will not be able to hold a candle to the most anticipated phone of the year (iPhone5) or iPad.
*Eagerly waiting for iPhone 5 release*
I look at Android and see buggy garbage. Android will not be able to hold a candle to the most anticipated phone of the year (iPhone5) or iPad.
*Eagerly waiting for iPhone 5 release*
Yeah. I see both OSes and see bugs, quirks, great features and great UI fails.
Oh - "one last thing" - Android is an OS. the iPhone and iPad are devices. So saying that Android can't hold a candle to one or the other is ignorant.
I believe he was referring to the Android ecosystem at large, thus the reference to both smartphones and tablets.
Can't we just express our opinions and not resort to ridiculing one another because we disagree? It's not like the outcome of this case is going to be decided in this thread.
I believe he was referring to the Android ecosystem at large, thus the reference to both smartphones and tablets.
Can't we just express our opinions and not resort to ridiculing one another because we disagree? It's not like the outcome of this case is going to be decided in this thread.
New here? Nitpicking and semantics is the weapon of choice for some here
not sure what the other poster was using but i was using htc tytn in 2006 (windows mobile).
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=1659&idPhone2=1827
take a look. it even had secondary camera for video chat. no gps though.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
If we take your argument that Apple's slight difference in design isn't trivial, then neither are Samsung's slight differences.
Not to mention that Samsung has an order of magnitude more variants too. Just like their patent portfolio, R&D budget and manufacturing capabilities are in each case an order or magnitude greater than Apples.
I was looking for a link elsewhere on this site that shows Samsung's use of the green icon prior to the Apple. If anyone can post that, it would be helpful.
But even the designer that designed the icons for apple "Under cross-examination by Samsung's legal team, Kare conceded that certain individual icons are obvious or universal, such as the use of a retro phone icon on both sets of devices."
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/3...ung-patent-trial-smartphone-design-beyond.htm
But even the designer that designed the icons for apple "Under cross-examination by Samsung's legal team, Kare conceded that certain individual icons are obvious or universal, such as the use of a retro phone icon on both sets of devices."
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/3...ung-patent-trial-smartphone-design-beyond.htm
I look at Android and see buggy garbage. Android will not be able to hold a candle to the most anticipated phone of the year (iPhone5) or iPad.
*Eagerly waiting for iPhone 5 release*
Lets hope not, if the iPhone 5 is everything people hope it is. The Galaxy S3 blew the 4S out of the water, and Jelly bean is much better than iOS6.
Dropping google maps for some in house program thats probably going to suck? No thanks.
During jury selection, you can be sure the lawyers for both sides weeded out jurors who owned any Apple or Samsung products. Goes without saying.
Yes. it is pretty cool. Looks nothing like the iPhone. Only problems are:
1. Almost an inch thick
2. Very small screen with very poor ppi , probably need a stylus to use it.
3. Not made by Apple
I look at Android and see buggy garbage. Android will not be able to hold a candle to the most anticipated phone of the year (iPhone5) or iPad.
*Eagerly waiting for iPhone 5 release*
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomiogeron/2012/02/02/does-ios-crash-more-than-android-a-data-dive/
I'll just let this sink in. =)
Apple apologist fails to see sarcasm. Reading comprehension fail 101.
As I said in my post - I'm labeled as Fandroid or Google sheep thoug I use both platforms and don't side with Apple on this stupid patent nonsense.
Heavily doubt the iOS 6 maps is going to suck. They bought pretty good technologies to replace Google maps. And quite frankly, there is really no sucking more then the current maps we have on iOS. It really hasn't changed much since we first got it.
Pretty well featured phone. And being from the same year (about) from the iPhone. It at least shows that there was another way to do it. But, IMO it sucks. Different type of touch screen used. still needed a physical keyboard. IE (even then) wasn't that great of a browser compared to Safari. 65k colors.
I would have used the phone, and I"m sure it was functional. But, the iPhone just worked better (IMO). And looked WAY better.
Green has always been used for answering calls, and Apple lifted that one off skype. Perhaps everyone should pay skype for the phone icon. The case wasn't made by Samsung. The cables look just as much like PDMI and weren't the subject of any claims. You apparently don't know the definition of minicomputer, but that is rough styling at best. There is really nothing to claim there. On the last one, you chose the app drawer like always. Perhaps people could just stop posting FUD.
What people forget, is that the WHOLE POINT OF AN ICON IS TO BE UNIVERSALLY UNDERSTOOD. That means that if every company had its own set of icons, a large part of the purpose is lost.
Heck, that's why Apple chose a retro phone image in the first place... so that people who were familiar with cell phones would understand the meaning.
And yes, a white on green left leaning phone icon was used by Skype and in Windows Mobile dialer skins, before the iPhone came along and did one as well. Apple had to add stripes in order to get a trademark on their version. The one they used at the iPhone debut in 2007 was too common.
That would likely be hard to do. I believe there's actually one Apple and one Google employee on the jury.
Technology progresses. For example, to many people, the current iPhone is seen as being too chunky and with too small a screen.
I've read a lot of your posts and you seem to be pretty reasonable. My question to you is, what in the world are you doing on a pro-Apple site? You should have realized by now that emotionally-driven people can never fathom reason no matter how many times you try to argue with them.
Back on topic. I used to be an Apple fanbitch, but after getting the S3, I see how much garbage the iphone is. Android is far more stable than iOS and has less crashing. The only advantage that iOS has is smooth UI interface, which won't even be an issue once JellyBean rolls out. But at the cost of smoother UI transitions, you're sacrificing true multitasking, live wallpapers, widgets, etc.
Once Jelly Bean goes public, it's game over. Android will be superior to iOS in every single category.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120821174038966
Closing statements have been made. Samsung's lawyers argue "Natural evolution" like kdarling has shown us multiple times and others have tried to bring reason to this whole debate and take the "Samesung copycats!" accusations a notch down. They also argue validity of design patents and what has been shown by the phone icon by kdarling here.
So really, people that think that some of us who have tried to temper the FUD and accusations against Samsung were speaking of things we didn't understand, it seems that Samsung's counsel went for the same kind of arguments we have presented.
Now it's all up to the jury to see who convinced them of their argument. Don't expect a clear cut decision either, I fully expect both Apple and Samsung to lose some and win some.
Closing statements have been made. Samsung's lawyers argue "Natural evolution" like kdarling has shown us multiple times and others have tried to bring reason to this whole debate and take the "Samesung copycats!" accusations a notch down. They also argue validity of design patents and what has been shown by the phone icon by kdarling here.
So really, people that think that some of us who have tried to temper the FUD and accusations against Samsung were speaking of things we didn't understand, it seems that Samsung's counsel went for the same kind of arguments we have presented.
Now it's all up to the jury to see who convinced them of their argument. Don't expect a clear cut decision either, I fully expect both Apple and Samsung to lose some and win some.
Yep
Btw, I finally took a few minutes to look up info on the jury:- Out of a pool of 74, 18 were chosen. And the end, each side got to dismiss four people without having to cite any reason, leaving 10 total.
- The final jury includes an insurance salesman, an unemployed gamer dude, and an AT&T manager.
- Each was asked what products they owned or planned to buy. Turns out that most potential jurors own both Apple and Samsung products.
- Interestingly, about 1/3 didn't own a smartphone because of the data plan cost (!)
- Reflecting the Silicon Valley location, five jurors have patents in their name.
- Final group was 7 men, 3 women. (Then one woman left before trial began. See below.)
I was wrong about the Apple and Google employees making it onto the final jury:
The judge herself dismissed the Apple employee because he openly said he wanted his company to win.
The Google employee... who has a patent pending on an Android GUI feature... said he could be impartial. The judge said she believed him and overruled Apple's initial objection to him. So Apple used one of their final four dismissal freebies to get rid of him.
Another potential was the father of one of Apple's legal team. He was dimissed early after he said a lot of his family had worked for Apple and they considered themselves "a loyal Apple family".
Anyone else have more info on the jury makeup? Didn't a final choice leave later because of financial hardship? Was she replaced? Edit: yes, she left, leaving 7 men and 2 women.
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- Out of a pool of 74, 18 were chosen. And the end, each side got to dismiss four people without having to cite any reason, leaving 10 total.
- The final jury includes an insurance salesman, an unemployed gamer dude, and an AT&T manager.
- Each was asked what products they owned or planned to buy. Turns out that most potential jurors own both Apple and Samsung products.
- Interestingly, about 1/3 didn't own a smartphone because of the data plan cost (!)
- Reflecting the Silicon Valley location, five jurors have patents in their name. One has 125 patents.
I was wrong about the Apple and Google employees making it onto the final jury:
The judge herself dismissed the Apple employee because he openly said he wanted his company to win.
The Google employee... who has a patent pending on an Android GUI feature... said he could be impartial. The judge said she believed him and overruled Apple's initial objection to him. So Apple used one of their final four dismissal freebies to get rid of him.
Another potential was the father of one of Apple's legal team. He was dimissed early after he said a lot of his family had worked for Apple and he considered them "an Apple family".
Anyone else have more info on the jury makeup?
very interesting facts, especially that five jurors have patents in their name. I was under the impression that most were average joes who couldn't care less, but that's a whole new dynamic there. Sounds like people who may not necessarily be patent experts, but also are not just completely clueless.
Do deliberations start right away?
Yep, jury deliberations start today, I think. Expected to take a week or so.
More info on the jury: besides the salesman, gamer, and AT&T manager... it also includes a social worker, a bicycle store manager, a city worker, a payroll manager, a systems engineer, and a mechanical engineer.
Btw, one potential was dismissed right away because he said he thought the case was no different than the 1990s Apple v Microsoft look-and-feel one, and wondered why such a situation was even in court again.