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Tim Cook: 'Android is Like Europe', Many Different Things Under One Name

fermat-au said:
I agree that Nokia nostalgia could be part of WP's growth, but I haven't seen any data to show that WP sales are dropping. The Kantar number that I posted suggest that WP sales are still growing. Do you have any data?
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The last quarter Nokia drop is in the news. Several percentage points.

Even the Nokia diehards who settled for Windows don't care about a 100% Microsoft phone.
 
Dear Lord people. Although not the greatest analogy, you guys are just getting butt hurt for no reason.

1)I'm pretty sure he was referring to the European Union specifically.
2)He never said anything bad about the EU. What is all the fuss is about?
3)If you are European and got offended because he compared EU to Android, I guess the reflects on what you all really think of Android? Doesn't it?

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4)He didn't even say anything bad about Android. His analysis was pretty accurate. Samsung's Touch Wiz, Kindle OS, and stock(Nexus) android all fall under...Android.
 
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fertilized-egg said:
Seriously how do you attain such twisted sense of logic? Cook is referring to a word being used to refer to a group of countries as opposed to a single country to describe the fragmentation of the Android ecosystem and you twist that to equate Apple with dictatorship? In almost any other forum that'd be counted as outright trolling.
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Seriously, you should try a sense of humor.
 
vrDrew said:
No. But every US state they speak English. Or Spanish. They all use the US dollar. Which is kinda like the EU euro. They all are subject to US Federal Law. EU Law. And they all have the same stores, restaurants, and TV stations. Can you say the same thing about Germany and Britain?
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Yes you can. Here you go. :p
 
KPOM said:
Not really. It's pretty apt, particularly if he's using "Europe" as a metonomy for EU countries. In some respects, the EU functions much the same way the federal government does here. In other respects, the EU is but a facade on top of 27 independent countries each doing their own thing. The EU presents itself as a "common market" (its original purpose), but it's a lot easier to treat the US as a "single" economic market than it is the EU. Each of the 27 member states has a different culture, many have their own language, and there are greater differences in the law.

That's Cook's point about Android. Yes, "Android" has a large market share, but it's difficult to say that a $100 phone running Android 2.2 is part of the same "ecosystem" as a Galaxy S4 or Nexus 5.
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Exactly.

"Android" is the name of some software that happens to be installed on a lot of phones from many manufacturers. But those manufacturers have nothing to do with each other.

I've always found it odd that people compare a single company like Apple to "Android"

"Android" market share makes a great headline... but there's no compelling story after that.
 
SimonDK said:
And we seem to be copying it in England now...
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Well, at least the UK doesn't have the additional handicap of consisting of a bunch of wildly divergent immigrant populations with little shared history, making continuous demonstration of national pride necessary for social cohesion...

I kid of course.
 
Gudi said:
He wasn't making a point about Europe being like Android, but about Android being like Europe. You are supposed to know how Europe is, to understand how Android is. For Americans, who are spoiled with a perfect working democracy under a bipartisan leadership of results-oriented politicians, the multitude of political parties, parliaments and elections in Europe must look like a mess. In Europe everything is a compromise and nothing is a decision. Like a bunch of cowboys meeting at high-noon on the middle of the street to discuss the issue.
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Oh the irony!

You mean the America that is a non-working quasi-democracy that is in reality controlled by lobbyists, corporations, and polarized political parties? With the blockade-oriented politicians?

In Europe, we have more parties to more fairly represent the people's opinion. In the US, you have many moderates. These people are a sizable part of the population but don't really have a party. In Europe, they would, and they do.

You need to get out and open your eyes. The US government is by far the most dysfunctional democracy of the modern countries.
 
Michael Scrip said:
Exactly.

"Android" is the name of some software that happens to be installed on a lot of phones from many manufacturers. But those manufacturers have nothing to do with each other.

I've always found it odd that people compare a single company like Apple to "Android"

"Android" market share makes a great headline... but there's no compelling story after that.
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No, core Android are the EU directives.

System customisations are what local laws mandate going beyond what is specified by the EU.

Bilateral agreements and Schengen membership of non-EU countries are BB10's Android Runtime
 
Gudi said:
Are you kidding me? Germany alone is more diverse than the whole of North America. I can't even count the opposing mindsets in my own hometown.
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Have you lived in the US? I have, for over a decade, and each state is totally different. Republicans are so far right, they are beyond anything present in Germany. I'm from Austria by the way.

In terms of ideology, Germany and other social democracies share some common political and social values (for the most part). In the US, you have a sizable junk of the population who wants to essentially to keep government only for defense.
 
vrDrew said:
The EU is great in theory. But the reality is that it (Europe) is a collection of wildly divergent peoples, cultures, political systems, and economies. In a way that the USA fundamentally isn't.

Thats the point Mr Cook was trying to make. Sorry so many people are too sensitive to understand that.
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First of all, EU has nothing to do with Europe. Europe was there long before EU and will be there long after its gone. But that's besides the point. As I wrote before, I understand very well what Cook meant. Still, it was not a very smart thing to say, because for many people it sounded as if he said 'Europe is s***t'. And then of course, MacRumors, who absolutely have to post an EU flag with the story. This whole things is simply not a good style. Not polite.
 
WilliamG said:
Except, of course, you can leave North Korea, if you choose to, at least in this example. :)
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It's a bitch to because you have to start anew and they hold onto your imessage in case you forgot to turn it off. Damn North Korea.
 
cube said:
The last quarter Nokia drop is in the news. Several percentage points.

Even the Nokia diehards who settled for Windows don't care about a 100% Microsoft phone.
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Are we talking about Nokia or WindowsPhone market share?
Obviously Symbian market share have dropped over then past few years, but in the data I have seen shows WindowsPhone growing, particular in Europe over the last few years.
 
Klae17 said:
It's a bitch to because you have to start anew and they hold onto your imessage in case you forgot to turn it off. Damn North Korea.
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Damn iMessage!

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fermat-au said:
Are we talking about Nokia or WindowsPhone market share?
Obviously Symbian market share have dropped over then past few years, but in the data I have seen shows WindowsPhone growing, particular in Europe over the last few years.
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Lumia sales dropped in the last quarter. And the vast majority of WP sales are Nokia's.
 
cube said:
No, core Android are the EU directives.

System customisations are what local laws mandate going beyond what is specified by the EU.

Bilateral agreements and Schengen membership of non-EU countries are BB10's Android Runtime
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And it's those system customizations that can make one "Android" phone totally unlike another "Android" phone.

Tim Cook agrees: "And you see what Samsung is doing by putting more and more software on top."

You're right... there is a core Android.

But the "Android" you hold in your hands can be any number of different experiences depending on the manufacturer.

Or as Tim Cook said: "Many Different Things Under One Name"
 
Michael Scrip said:
And it's those system customizations that can make one "Android" phone totally unlike another "Android" phone.

Tim Cook agrees: "And you see what Samsung is doing by putting more and more software on top."

You're right... there is a core Android.

But the "Android" you hold in your hands can be any number of different experiences depending on the manufacturer.

Or as Tim Cook said: "Many Different Things Under One Name"
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Yes, so can choose to move to a different Android if you prefer.
 
Not Impressed

I haven't been impressed with Cook from Day 1 of his lackluster CEO leadership role. He has done more talking than producing.

Stock price aside, how many 3 trick ponies can you ride before you fall off.

For the first time in 30 years I purchased a none Apple product, a Nexus 7 2013 version and love it.
 
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