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Those same scientists that, in the 70's said we were heading for an ice age?
No they didn't. The claim that we were heading for an ice age was never supported by scientists. You have been mislead.

How do they explain the effects of the Sun and the Earth's not exact rotation around the Sun that also affect climate?
Scientists call these "the seasons".
 
Those same scientists that, in the 70's said we were heading for an ice age?

How do we/they explain the previous times in Earth's history when we were warmer than now without human involvement?

How do they explain the effects of the Sun and the Earth's not exact rotation around the Sun that also affect climate?

How about addressing the single biggest thereat to the planet - exploding population. The Earth can barely support the current level of Humans. How to address de-population?

How can 130 some years predict climate when the Earth is billions of years old?

How do they explain the "cooking of the books" that went on a couple years ago.

When you get anyone chasing free money they will skew the data to get more of that money.

Do you really think if they examined "climate change" and came out that man had no effect they would still be employed?

We are moving towards an ice age, climate change happens very slowly naturally, which only proves that this is all our fault.
 
This is really great to see I'm proud to make the minor contributions I do towards Apple!

I feel Microsoft also lives by this it's clear the company has kind of taken a back seat to gates charitable efforts as well. While msft had been flat for a while they still make a large impact on the tech world and even more so on world issues.
 
No Apple doesnt care about profilts then maybe get rid of that 160B mound of dust in the basement.

Your reading comprehension needs work.

No one, certainly not Tim Cook, said that Apple doesn't care about profits. Certainly profits is important for any company. Cook's response simply implies that profits is not 100% of the company's raison d'être
 
A large percentage of Macintosh/Apple consumers are statistically.... college educated, they have good jobs, higher salaries (than the general PC population), many have professional degrees (medicine, law, etc), etc.

The wealthier people are also statistically more (fiscally) conservative.

The ultra-wealthiest (like the Hollywood celebrities) will embrace Apple because it is perceived as the de facto "premium brand" of electronics in the USA. These same people will also be driving BMWs and Mercedes and Teslas.... but they would never be caught dead driving a Toyota Corolla.

Yeah but if you want to talk statistics...the more education you have, the more you tend to skew to the left.
 
You make it sound like the only argument against pollution is climate change. The best possible time to consider cleaner results is when building new infrastructure. It's a big leap to go from that to "tree hugger". Congratulations on your affinity for mental acrobatics:D.

Do a true cradle to grave analysis on things like solar and wind and see how it stacks up. I'm talking all the inputs, from the raw materials to the installation of the finished product. I think you'd find many of these things are not so "green" after all.

Think about Solar. Huge inputs to get the panels made and since they are relatively inefficient you need lots of them. Lots of manufacturing, transportation, and installation cost. And the world record for efficiency is 44.7%. Compare that to a gas turbine at over 60%.

I'm all for reducing pollution but some of the alternatives just shift the pollution somewhere else.
 
From the NCPPR's website:

...the National Center for public policy research is a non-profit, tax-exempt charitable or- ganization under Section 501(c)(3) of the internal revenue Code.

So this insignificant little non-profit reckons it's qualified to lecture one of America's most profitable companies on how to - get this - make profits! Priceless :)

An eye roll from Tim would've sufficed.
 
No they didn't. The claim that we were heading for an ice age was never supported by scientists. You have been mislead.

No. But it is a good that the scientists are trying to rewrite history.


Scientists call these "the seasons".

You do know the Earth wobbles on it's axis and also never takes the same path around the Sun, right? Also the Sun's output varies, as does sunspot activity.

But a manufactured Climate Crisis is great to get us all in a tizzy. Hopefully people will use their heads and think and see what BS it really is.

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Yeah but if you want to talk statistics...the more education you have, the more you tend to skew to the left.

Interesting. I'm glad I only got through 4 years of college. And I'm from the generation where critical thinking was actually taught in schools.

I truly feel as a nation we have "grown" a generation of idiots that cannot think for themselves. And it scares me. Hopefully I'll be dead long before they ruin this great nation.
 
No. But it is a good that the scientists are trying to rewrite history.




You do know the Earth wobbles on it's axis and also never takes the same path around the Sun, right? Also the Sun's output varies, as does sunspot activity.

But a manufactured Climate Crisis is great to get us all in a tizzy. Hopefully people will use their heads and think and see what BS it really is.

Really? You don't even need to make a prediction to figure out what co2 does to climate, wana know why? Because we can look at a living proof of it next door, Venus, it is hotter than mercury even tho mercury is right in the sun's face. Wana know why? Because it has lots of co2.
 
The NCPRR are a wholly awful organisation. They are an embarrassment to the conservative name.


Everyone to NCPRR: Drop Dead.

Agree. ncprr drop dead.

Conservatives in the us: muck every body. Me first. Forget the rest.
 
There is a body that thinks this? May as well call themselves "Money Grabbers of Doom" if they're going to be so blasé about their motives.

I can't say I agree 100% with these guys but Apple is wasting money on these projects. Frankly it is wishful thinking to believe that covering hundreds of acres with solar arrays is good for the environment. This especially considering their server buildings have plenty of roof space for solar arrays. Frankly I see these large installations of solar arrays as irresponsible but that has nothing to do with profits.

I do believe Tim has the right attitude with respect to the fact that not every thing a company does has to be profitable or should be profitable. It is common in the medical industry that non profitable but critical drugs are supported by companies when no alternatives exist. Further people grossly underestimate just how much many companies do for their communities and charities. The problem with Apples solar fixation right now is that there are as many negatives as there are positives. The big problem being the massive waste of land space.
 
Those same scientists that, in the 70's said we were heading for an ice age?
the same scientists that gave us electricity, computers, nuclear power, antibiotics and microwaves.
If you don't want to believe them go live in a cave somewhere.
I'll take their word on the matter over that of the nutjobs who believe that earth is flat and was created 5 thousand years ago any day of the week. I don't know if the current scientific consensus on climate change is right or wrong. maybe it's wrong. but it's the best we've got to go on. and yeh, it may change in the future. that's how science works. it's certainly better than believing people with no expertise on the subject whose position on the issue is based purely on ideology and economic interests.
 
Really? You don't even need to make a prediction to figure out what co2 does to climate, wana know why? Because we can look at a living proof of it next door, Venus, it is hotter than mercury even tho mercury is right in the sun's face. Wana know why? Because it has lots of co2.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what is happening on earth.
 
Good for Mr. Cook. This group baited him into this response (read their press report) and then wrote a typo-filled response on their website.

This group are ultra-conservative, climate-change deniers that will be of no big loss if they sell their Apple stock. They probably aren't interested in investing in such a left-leaning company that hires homosexuals (gasp!) and whose CEO is one too! :rolleyes:

Putting forth a proposal for ROI above all else is hardly a conservative or liberal virtue.

A true conservative position only cares about having an open and free market where Apple can handle its business as it sees fit.

This so called-conserative group was advocating nothing really. It wasn't even an ROI matter as far as I am concerned. It was trolling Tim Cook (and certain Apple board members) and Tim Cook knew it. Or worse advocating scorched earth money making that has killed the American middle class, cause crisis after crisis, and consolidated lots of wealth into as few hands as possible.
 
From the NCPPR's website:



So this insignificant little non-profit reckons it's qualified to lecture one of America's most profitable companies on how to - get this - make profits! Priceless :)

An eye roll from Tim would've sufficed.


Well spotted. And making a big stink towards Apple, a company that is quite successful is hardly the right way of going about things.

How successful is the NCPPR in comparison? What have they achieved that has been world dominating or changing?
 
Good for Tim Cook. Channeling a bit of Steve Jobs there.

The idea that a company should be focused exclusively on growth and increasing shareholder value is exactly what's ruining everything.
 
The NCPRR are a wholly awful organisation. They are an embarrassment to the conservative name.


Everyone to NCPRR: Drop Dead.

I don't consider myself a conservative, but I do agree TBA organizations like this make conservatives look worse than most really are.

Apple is a very profitable organization, and I don't think that any supposed lack of innovation recently is a result of sustainability efforts or anything else they are doing regarding social issues. The thing to remember is that a large part of their customer base wants or expects them to "do the right thing." Whole Foods is run by a liberal-turned-libertarian. It is one of the most profitable grocery chains in the world.

Plus, like it or not, we are in a world where there is a heavy hand of government. We attach conflict mineral disclosure requirements onto laws supposedly focused on banking/finance reform. Maximizing ROI in this environment means making at least some effort to address social concerns.
 
Good for Tim Cook. Channeling a bit of Steve Jobs there.

The idea that a company should be focused exclusively on growth and increasing shareholder value is exactly what's ruining everything.

It's a perfect way of sinking a company too. Focusing on profits and shareholder value over focusing on the attributes that make a company remain successful over the long term.
 
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