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Yes, USA's left is a lot more conservative than Canada's right-wing government.

I hear that a lot, but it is too simplistic. Yes, Canada has a single payer health care system, but they didn't bail out a single bank or industry during the last crisis. They also have no qualms about drilling for oil, and their biggest beef with us right now is that we are dithering on whether or not to allow a Canadian company to build an oil pipeline through our country.
 
They label themselves as conservative.


Their browser header on this website includes "A conservative think tank".

There is no editorialising by macrumors whatsoever.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply MacRumors was editorializing. The person had said NC whatever was giving conservatives everywhere a bad name, and I just wanted to point out the C didn't stand for conservative.

But yes it is incredibly retarded of this person to suggest that just because Apple doesn't have a strict ROI rule means they aren't profitable. No, solar plants on their own don't produce money, but it can contribute to propelling you to be the most valuable brand in the world, which then generates free publicity, which lowers how much you have to spend on advertising and increases how much you bring in.

More than conservatives what angers me though is all the people that contribute to the 2 party system we have in the US. This is basically the worst form of government you could possibly have, having neither the power of a dictatorship nor the representation of a proper demoncracy. Instead we end up with people either ludicrously liberal or conservative with few if any rational minds within the beltway (or basically any state government, either. The two party system has systematically screwed up pretty much every government organization in the US except maybe a few small towns like the one I live in, where we vote for people we know and not for parties or platforms that we hate, but at least they're not quite as bad as the other one.)
 
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Tim Cook, I salute you for telling those idiots to take a flying leap.

Those idiots.. are from another era.
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They are what is wrong with a mentally skewed percentage of the U.S.


Climate change is real, and if more companies do their part to focus not just on profits but their moral obligations as being part of humanity then we would all be better off.
 
Not all conservatives are that narrow-minded. And not all of them are the same cookie-cutter mold.


I consider myself a fiscal conservative, but I also (occasionally) find myself siding with social progressives (e.g. human rights, social freedoms, environmental causes, etc). It's a hard balancing act at times, but mainly because the USA is so politically bi-polar (most people side with either the hard right, or the hard left, the pragmatic moderates are ignored or marginalized).

Kudos for a well stated position.
 
It's a perfect way of sinking a company too. Focusing on profits and shareholder value over focusing on the attributes that make a company remain successful over the long term.

Companies that have explosive growth and then flame-out are better?

If Apple plateaus and remains profitable, that's great for its customers. But, shareholders get all pissy. They want continuous stock growth, which isn't sustainable.
 
The idea that a company should be focused exclusively on growth and increasing shareholder value is exactly what's ruining everything.

I disagree. Apple is more focused than many other companies. The results prove it.

What's really "ruining everything" is how most companies go about making their money. Many just want to pick low-hanging fruit. Basically' they're lazy and not terribly decent citizens. You can't accuse Apple of either.

I imagine Apple is a bit of a thorn in their sides. Showing them up, and all.
 
Human behavior induced (i.e.: factories, cars, too many cows due to human consumption so more cows farting, etc) climate change is complete and utter BS, so I applaud the NCPPR.

We need more liberal tree huggers slapped around when it comes to this junk science.

Congrats: you are willfully ignorant.
 
I guess the person from National Center for Public Policy Research or NCPPR doesn't pay any attention to Apple's balance sheets then? If there's one company that does not need to concentrate on profits first it's Apple, because IMO they already do this to an extent with their huge mark ups and deals stopping their products being discounted.
 
LOL, how so?

Let me guess you don't have any idea at all what the atmosphere of Venus is like. It has a CO2 concentration of around 97%. On earth the density is about 0.039%.

It is simply foolish to look towards Venus as an indicator of what is happening on earth. The two planets are very different. This is just one very questionable ethical problems of the global warming community, that is grasping at examples that have nothing to do with the problems here on earth.

Beyond that we have yet to see a direct link to the carbon in the atmosphere and the recent temperature shifts.
 
Cook's response: ++++++
The Moron who walked right into this: +++++++++++++

Why? He marginalized his idiot cause and it will be in the news.
 
Let me guess you don't have any idea at all what the atmosphere of Venus is like. It has a CO2 concentration of around 97%. On earth the density is about 0.039%.

It is simply foolish to look towards Venus as an indicator of what is happening on earth. The two planets are very different. This is just one very questionable ethical problems of the global warming community, that is grasping at examples that have nothing to do with the problems here on earth.

Beyond that we have yet to see a direct link to the carbon in the atmosphere and the recent temperature shifts.

Haha, actually i did know that, regardless of the extremely obvious fact that it is more extreme on Venus due to it being so hot, that doesn't change the fact that co2 warms up the planet.:p
 
While it is probably an extreme libertarian view to do things only for profit as a corporation, I side with Tim that in various senses "doing the right thing" should take precedence. Human values are real things. That's not political, conservative or even progressive. It's humanistic centric.

Not according to conservatives. Only corporations are people in their eyes and only profits matter, everything else be damned.
 
Let me guess you don't have any idea at all what the atmosphere of Venus is like. It has a CO2 concentration of around 97%. On earth the density is about 0.039%.

It is simply foolish to look towards Venus as an indicator of what is happening on earth. The two planets are very different. This is just one very questionable ethical problems of the global warming community, that is grasping at examples that have nothing to do with the problems here on earth.

Any official head of anything remotely resembling a global warming community has never claimed that runaway climate change will eventually change the atmosphere into something resembling Venus. Only that CO2 is a potent greenhouse gas, and our industry is contributing quite a bit of it to the atmosphere.

The absolute worst case global warming scenario would be an environment somewhat similar to what the Earth had during the Jurassic period, when the CO2 content of the atmosphere was roughly 6 times higher than what it is today.
 
Do a true cradle to grave analysis on things like solar and wind and see how it stacks up. I'm talking all the inputs, from the raw materials to the installation of the finished product. I think you'd find many of these things are not so "green" after all.

Think about Solar. Huge inputs to get the panels made and since they are relatively inefficient you need lots of them. Lots of manufacturing, transportation, and installation cost. And the world record for efficiency is 44.7%. Compare that to a gas turbine at over 60%.

I'm all for reducing pollution but some of the alternatives just shift the pollution somewhere else.

Had the group examined the overall efficiency of these projects, I might have some respect for them. Their demands were that Apple be required to consider net cost over everything else on a given project. I wasn't trying to champion one type of technology over another. I was having fun with the other post, because it was complete hackery. He went from whether Apple's executives should have the authority to weigh factors other than ROI in their decisions to a rant about the science behind climate change.

Anyway I wanted them to still be able to consider environmental impact, which would mean considering your points about cradle to grave efficiency. The proposal was that they only be able to consider ROI.
 
It takes real guts to tell an organization to dump their stock if they don't like how they do business. But it was the right thing to say, I'm glad he put these jerkoffs in their place.

Although the larger picture is that someone telling Apple how to make more profits it's about as absurd as it gets. Because yeah, lack of profits is clearly what's been holding Apple back... :rolleyes:
 
No. But it is a good that the scientists are trying to rewrite history.




You do know the Earth wobbles on it's axis and also never takes the same path around the Sun, right? Also the Sun's output varies, as does sunspot activity.

But a manufactured Climate Crisis is great to get us all in a tizzy. Hopefully people will use their heads and think and see what BS it really is.

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Interesting. I'm glad I only got through 4 years of college. And I'm from the generation where critical thinking was actually taught in schools.

I truly feel as a nation we have "grown" a generation of idiots that cannot think for themselves. And it scares me. Hopefully I'll be dead long before they ruin this great nation.

You have an incorrect ideology.

The proper ideology you should have is that climate change is caused by humans, due to the greenhouse effect.

If you feel the world's scientists are mistaken, then feel free to publish your data disproving them.

Scientists are waiting to find out if your most awesome theories are true.

Do not fall victim to your ego. Right now, your ego tells you that you are somehow smarter than the world's top scientists.

Are you smarter than the world's top scientists? Do you have critical thinking skills that they do not have?

If you are the genius that you think you are, then prove it to the world.

This is the biggest mistake of libertarianism, that they think they are intelligent.

You guys are the opposite of intelligent, but you don't know that because dumb people do not know that they are dumb and their egos protect them from this view.
 
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