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Ok I'll bite. What do the "poor guys in China" get from everyone else? And what does that have to do with Apple granting restricted stock to employees? I suppose these people would be so much better off if Apple and other companies manufactured their products someplace else. Because China is just swimming with good high-paying jobs for these "poor guys" once Apple leaves.

Just because they are getting something doesn't make it right. A business built on slave labor should try to share some of those profits. I applaud them for giving something to their own employees though, although they treat them like crap as well. Corporate profits versus employee compensation is at a ridiculous all time high and Apple is leading the way.

I was going to quote out of this article, but it's late and my 3 year old is waiting for me. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-gibson/how-the-iphone_b_5800262.html

For the record I'm an Apple consumer and guilty as well. Also it's not only Apple but lots of companies which do the same, I'm not singling out Apple other than the story in question is about Apple.
 
Apple has always had a stock purchase plan. Now retail employees can get RSU grants. This is great for them. Of course people will be negative about anything, but I can't think of any other retailer in the world that gives them to their low level employees.
Doesn't John Lewis?
 
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Maybe Apple will let the employees hide the money offshore with theirs to avoid taxes.
Do you know how the tax system works? Apple is keeping that money overseas because those earnings were from overseas operations. Money earned in England for example would stay in England. Our corp tax rate is one of the highest in the world so there is no incentive to bring it back. Apple already pays the most taxes of every company on the planet. Lower the rate and watch the money flow back.... If they didn't do everything to increase their profits they would not vbe doing their due diligence for their employees and shareholders.
 
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lol.. $1000-2000 worth of shares over the period of 4 years? do they realize that's like $250 a year. one would get more $$ going to another company.

Idiot. It's over 3 years, not 4, therefore about $700/year, assuming the stock value doesn't increase in the next 3 years, which is very unlikely... RSU stock is usually reserved only for top executives. I don't know of any other corporation out there the size of Apple that give RSU to ALL their employees. That will pay for a brand new iPhone in full every year! How is that not awesome news for their retail employees?

Bravo, Apple!
 
Do you know how the tax system works? Apple is keeping that money overseas because those earnings were from overseas operations. Money earned in England for example would stay in England. Our corp tax rate is one of the highest in the world so there is no incentive to bring it back. Apple already pays the most taxes of every company on the planet. Lower the rate and watch the money flow back.... If they didn't do everything to increase their profits they would not vbe doing their due diligence for their employees and shareholders.

Yep, lower the corporate tax rate and watch those trickle down economics in action. As for the accounting lesson, if I have overseas income as a US citizen you can bet I have to report that and pay taxes on it in the US, heck I have to pay US taxes (minus the foreign tax credit) even if I live in another country, but I'm an individual not a corporation so subject to different laws. While we are exploring "how the tax system works" you'll note that a US corp keeping money overseas is just a "deferral" which is due to be paid sometime in the future, of course this can be deferred indefinitely.

Obviously that money was made outside of the US. Through shell companies, in particular in Ireland, Apple can keep it's billions "deferred" from US taxes indefinitely. I don't mean to say this is unique to Apple, from what I understand there is in excess of 2 trillion dollars indefinitely deferred by corporations. Additionally when you say money made in England stays in England, that's not entirely factual and the EU is not thrilled with losing tax revenue through those Irish shell companies either. In fact the EU is accusing Ireland of unlawfully helping Apple hide this money.

What's interesting is that those Irish subsidiaries where Apple's money is parked, park their money in the US, loan it out, bank it, mortgages, investments, etc, but they can also invest in stocks, treasury bonds, etc with that money and even work out stock exchanges with other corporations enabling them to buy Apple stock with money which isn't taxed because that money is technically not repatriated. Not repatriated, but alive and well in the US and being used to generate more profit.

This isn't meant as an argument for or against corporate tax rates, as that's a HUGE topic and I'd also like to avoid this thread moving to the political section. My comment was half joking and meant to be lighthearted. I understand Apple's allegiance is to it's shareholders, but not its employees or partners employees, nor to this or any other country or it's consumers.
 
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Great way to turn that into something negative smh

That's typical behavior for haters. Nothing positive can come of your mouth if you have **** for brain.

Kids... when you get those, hold on to them.

Imagine if you got them two years ago...

$2000 = $3149 now (10/14/13 stock close was 69.98)

("got them" means they were fully vested at once. The point isn't the math over the vesting, but the holding on to them, rather than "ooooh I got $500 (more or less) just now, what can I blow it on?")

Exactly. If you're smart, you'll hold on to these as long as you can. In 3 years they will most likely be worth twice as much...
 
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Maybe Apple will let the employees hide the money offshore with theirs to avoid taxes.
Very facetious but at the same time, one of the funniest comments in the thread.

Good for Apple employees.

It sucked when steve essentially screwed so many employees out of 'benefits'. If it weren't for the 'other Steve', there wouldn't have been as many 'honored' Apple employees...
Can you just elaborate for me here please;
  • It sucked…… - what sucked?
  • When Steve…….. - which Steve?
  • The other Steve…… - again, which Steve?
 
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No, they're just taxed at your normal tax rate on their value at time of vesting. Your company may withhold at a high rate like they do for bonus payments, overtime, etc., but the actual tax is just the same as your nominal rate and you will get any over-withholding back in your refund.

In my experience the rate isn't normal withholdings. My tax guy explained it once, it's more complicated than just income tax.
 
I re-read that with your response, and I was trying to help others learn from my mistake. I cashed out ESPP shares for silly stuff, and if I had held on to them, I'd have about $500,000 now.

My advice should have been more clear, and been simply, "don't sell them when you get them!"
Or Apple could do an Enron and they will be worthless. You just never know what will happen with the stock market. Therefore, the employees should do what is best for them and their situation. Buy and hold is not as safe as it used to be.
 
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Now THIS is how Mr. Tim Crook spends his time at Apple, finding ways to play with stock and such. Steve Jobs would be spending his time making Apple great new product lines that don't cut every corner and offer sub-standard parts at inflated prices (i.e. 2-year old outdated Mac Pros going UP in price, new expensive 5k iMacs coming with cheap-arse POS 5400 RPM drives, etc.) I'm really turned off by Apple lately.
 
Philip Elmer Dewitt makes an interesting observation. The timing of Cook's announcement is interesting considering Apple reports earnings in less than 2 weeks. Perhaps he's signaling it's going to be a good quarter or they'll be raising guidance for the December quarter. It would be odd to announce this if the management team/board were expecting a big drop in share price. Of course Wall Street never makes any sense when it comes to Apple so Apple could have a great quarter and give good guidance for holiday quarter and the stock still drops 2% the next day.

http://fortune.com/2015/10/15/apple-rsu-earnings-signal/?xid=yahoo_fortune

Now THIS is how Mr. Tim Crook spends his time at Apple, finding ways to play with stock and such. Steve Jobs would be spending his time making Apple great new product lines that don't cut every corner and offer sub-standard parts at inflated prices (i.e. 2-year old outdated Mac Pros going UP in price, new expensive 5k iMacs coming with cheap-arse POS 5400 RPM drives, etc.) I'm really turned off by Apple lately.

You should read this thread. ;)
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-announces-new-macbook-pros-updates-macbook-air.580494/
 
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