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They have. It's called an iMac.

Configurable with up to:
- 3.5 GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz).
- 32 GB RAM
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M with 4GB of GDDR5 memory.
- Two thunderbolt ports (yeah, they need an update to thunderbolt 2)

But he wants his Mac in a good looking trash can.
 
They have. It's called an iMac.

Configurable with up to:
- 3.5 GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz).
- 32 GB RAM
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M with 4GB of GDDR5 memory.
- Two thunderbolt ports (yeah, they need an update to thunderbolt 2)

Stop being deliberately obtuse. You know very well what the poster meant is a machine:

  • That does not have a built in monitor.
  • Has a discrete graphics card that is user upgradeable after purchase.
I'll even leave off the PCI expansion slot business that normally is part of this type of request.

They want a machine that is a regular desktop computer but without the expensive professional graphics cards, Server processor, or ECC RAM the new Mac Pro has. The iMac is not a traditional desktop computer, it's an All-in-One (i.e. a laptop computer built on the back of a monitor too big to be portable). The main market for the AIO is consumers who would be perfectly suited with a laptop performance-wise, but don't really plan on taking the computer anywhere to start with. It also has the added benefits of being easy to set up since you don't have to connect the computer and other components together (it's pretty much the same as the original iMac in this regard), and it takes up less space than a desktop machine. It's an "appliance computer", a "mom computer", but it's not a replacement for what the poster is asking for.

I like it when folks try to pretend this type of machine has no market simply because Apple does not offer it. A desktop mini-tower is the most popular form factor of Windows PC, which is still what 80%+ of people are buying when it comes to computers. Stop trying to explain away this form factor's popularity and funnel these users into a Mac Mini, or an iMac, instead claiming that it's the machine they really want. It's not. And to say otherwise makes you look like a bunch of kool-aid drinkers with no balls to ask for what you really want in a PC because Apple must Know Best.
 
We're still spending an enormous amount on really great talent and people on the Macs of the future.
You don't use the word "spend" if it's an investment. And you don't neglect to call it an investment if you're serious about what you're doing.
 
Who cares? AAPL stock holders like me.

Why? If an "ultra-slim 12-inch Retina MacBook" is what Apple considers to be a new product category when it's really not, Wall St is going to slam the stock again. It's in Apple's best interest to not allow that to happen.

It's in Apple's best interest to focus on making great products that they believe people will love, rather than trying to mindlessly appease Wall Street analysts and armchair analysts. Yes, investors in the company are important, but if Apple's focuses on the aforementioned activities and hits the ball out of the park with great products, the stock price will skyrocket. Apple, keep doing what you are doing, and don't mind the naysayers...
 
so much ignorance, so little time.

- do you have access to MBP 17" sales stats? nope.

- rMBP is terrifically exciting.

- nMP is an amazing machine.

- OS X (not "Mac OS") is my favorite desktop OS and still beats the pants of Windows, which by all accounts is awful.

- annual versions of OS X are a delight. that they're now free is even better.

- OS X sandboxing only applies to MAS releases, nothing stopping you from using non-sandboxed apps. you know that, right?

- using terms like "laziness" and "incompetence" to describe apple software just outs you as someone who has no idea what he's talking about. I'm certain you dont even write software. i do for a living, so take it from me -- you have no idea what you're talking about.

Annual version of OS X are a buggy mess. I don't know where you were on earlier version of OS X (Windows, I presume) but I've never had so many incompatibilities upgrading from the previous version - ranging from Mail not working with gmail down to a reworked network stack that was just different enough to give me all sorts of grief.

And another thing you're missing is that the 17" was a pros dream machine. Just like they pissed off any Mac Pro users, they also pissed off the MacBook Pro users who actually used it like a pro machine.

And the sad reality is, the "pros" are usually the geeks who tell others what to buy. It's how it's been for years. And when your geeks no longer think Apple's in your interests, you lose them. Even if they still buy your stuff, the brand loyalty is gone, and if keeping the 17" around for brand loyalty is what it takes, they should have.

And really, can you explain what makes the rMBP "terrifically exciting"? Because all I see is a thinner spec bump'd version of the same laptop I had in 2006. And missing a few features since 2006.
 
I think Apple's more interested in products they can make a profit on.

I still have a vague hope they will bring it back as a halo product. i.e a product that improves brand image by its awesomeness even if not many buy it.

They sold 50,000 17" per quarter (before it was cancelled) which is a drop in the ocean compared to other apple products but still justifies itself as a product line.

(To be honest I fear you may be right but my inner Andy Dufresne is telling me to hope ;) )
 
I still have a vague hope they will bring it back as a halo product. i.e a product that improves brand image by its awesomeness even if not many buy it.

Each of the products that could be called "halo" products (iPod, iPhone) were and are highly profitable products. The 17" can hardly be called a halo product, as it is one of the most expensive products in the line-up.

I'm not sure there is a real definition of "halo", but realistically these are cheaper products that serve as a stepping point to the more expensive products in the product line: iPod -> MacBook -> iMac.
 
The real question: can they break truly Intel's desktop/laptop CPU monopoly with innovative solutions?.

Why would Apple even try?

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That the pc market is falling is just because windows and pcs stays crap. Win8 is rebranded 7 with a stupid startup app/skin. And win7 is vista. It's still vista today and the horrible ground layer of horrible ui with a mess of admin tools and system tools, drivers, install clogging, conflicts and virus killers. I just hate everything about windows. It has the same underlying mess as it always had - since the first windows. It's funny how almost every single software on the Mac is better executed. People don't want a pc, they buy if they can't afford a Mac.

News just out, according to Gartner: Samsung PC sales in the UK dropped by 88%. Yes, that's eighty eight percent. Apparently they are leaving the market. (Apple sales increased by 24%).

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Apple needs to recreate legacy support back to MacOS Classic. We need access to our old data to move into the future. To do that we need to be able to run older software that never got upgraded and never will get upgraded. Apple should provide legacy support for software.

This will create how many new customers exactly?
 
Stop being deliberately obtuse. You know very well what the poster meant is a machine:
I like it when folks try to pretend this type of machine has no market simply because Apple does not offer it. A desktop mini-tower is the most popular form factor of Windows PC, which is still what 80%+ of people are buying when it comes to computers.

No, Windows laptops outsell Windows desktops by a comfortable margin.

Mac laptops outsell iMacs, Minis and Pros by a large margin and iMacs outsell Minis and Pros by a large margin.

Apple is not going to put research money into a small, unprofitable niche that appeals to a few hobbyists and doesn't serve their purposes.

People have been arguing about this for YEARS. Face reality - if it made sense for Apple to do it, THEY WOULD BE DOING IT.

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They sold 50,000 17" per quarter (before it was cancelled) which is a drop in the ocean compared to other apple products but still justifies itself as a product line.

Justifies it to who? To you? Perhaps. To Apple? Clearly and obviously not.

They're more likely to introduce a 17-inch iPhone.
 
A Mac as a whole new category? Hm, a Mac home server maybe? Like a breed between Airport Extreme and Mac Mini with the size of the Apple TV? :D
 
Let's hope they start spending more and more on ... OS X. It'd be awesome if we ended up getting better releases.
 
I hope Tim Cook doesn't think an "ultra-slim 12-inch Retina MacBook" = a new product category
What if it is powered by the A7 processor? You would be a fool to think that Apple does not have OS X running on their 64-bit ARM processor. What other reason would Apple have for making OS X Mavericks and iOS7 the minimum OS versions for the latest iLife, iWork, Final Cut Pro X, and Aperture updates? I expect Logic Pro to require OS X Mavericks with its next version/update.

I wonder how soon Apple will eliminate the MacBook Air line after the Retina MacBook gets released.
 
What if it is powered by the A7 processor? You would be a fool to think that Apple does not have OS X running on their 64-bit ARM processor. What other reason would Apple have for making OS X Mavericks and iOS7 the minimum OS versions for the latest iLife, iWork, Final Cut Pro X, and Aperture updates? I expect Logic Pro to require OS X Mavericks with its next version/update.

I wonder how soon Apple will eliminate the MacBook Air line after the Retina MacBook gets released.

Full OS X on ARM...

Why do people want this? What people want this?
 
Wall Street doesn't care about new products as much as they care about beating estimates.

Don't earnings come from new products?

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The number of products wasn't the problem, it was the expensive products and no defined path to a real operating system. Several different operating system initiatives that failed did Apple no favors at all.

By the time Steve came back he had no choice but to cut products drastically to get past the impending bankruptcy. By the time Steve left us Apple had far more viable products than anytime in the past. In business it is products that sell that count.

For the record, only one operating system initiative failed (Copland), during the '90s. The MacOS was quite "real" up to that time, and well after. The clone licensing experiment was also a huge disaster. Apple was essentially competing with itself for several years. No surprise that it didn't work out well.
 
I'm hoping that this will include something more than a flat neon hideous OS X redesign.

Let's hope we get 10.10 that maybe if it gives us a new UI we also get mainly bug fixes. How awesome would that be? Two releases in a row that move to mainly fix bugs.
 
Full OS X on ARM...

Why do people want this?

At least for the time being: battery life. And even (comparatively) non-complicated multi-boot into iOS when needed.

I myself wouldn't get it as I use tons of third-party mostly video transfer / editing apps, some of them very old, that are unlikely to ever get compiled for ARM.

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YES!!!!!!!
Tim, can you hear us?!

Cool username you have :) And, of course, I 100% agree. The current lineup is pathetic for a die-hard MBP 17" fan like myself.
 
At least for the time being: battery life. And even (comparatively) non-complicated multi-boot into iOS when needed.

I myself wouldn't get it as I use tons of third-party mostly video transfer / editing apps, some of them very old, that are unlikely to ever get compiled for ARM.

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Cool username you have :) And, of course, I 100% agree. The current lineup is pathetic for a die-hard MBP 17" fan like myself.

And nobody who uses bootcamp.

I just see the benefit of battery life being outweighed by basically giving up all the apps.
 
Getting out of Wall Street is the only way to deal with Wall Street.

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I'm hoping that this will include something more than a flat neon hideous OS X redesign.

Jony Ive needs to be removed from software authority entirely.
 
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