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Just because I have nothing to hide doesn't mean I appreciate people poking their noses into my affairs. There are no sensitive photos on my iPhone that I have qualms about sharing online, but that doesn't mean I will allow anyone to just take my phone like that and upload my entire photo library to Facebook.

Simply put, I don't have to, so why should I?
You really think that it would be that easy? A search and seizure warrant requires a judges approval..you really think just anyone would have access to your iPhone or do you think that it would require a warrant, meaning that you're doing something wrong in the first place? Don't take it to unreasonable extremes.
 
And your an expert on "how it works"? There are many ways it could work. It doesn't have to be a tool. It could be a process, or software that only works one time on one phone. Of course the intelligence exists to create a backdoor (at least to bypass the brute force password lock). There can certainly be a way to make it less "universal" and more "one time". Just like a search warrant, if one is issued to Apple to unlock a criminals phone, what's the difference?

Are you so naive to believe in a single use "backdoor"? It would be exploited in SECONDS not days, not minutes... SECONDS. There is nothing short of 100% secure that isn't 0%. Did you even read what Tim Cook wrote? He addressed that there is no such thing as a single use back door and it would be exploited for sure.
What back door in life do you know of that has only lets 1 person in? Find me that door and I'll send 10 people through it.
 
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Just like a search warrant, if one is issued to Apple to unlock a criminals phone, what's the difference?
When was the last time when NSA had warrant to tap peoples phones?
That's right they didn't , but that don't stop them. It's naiive to think that they would use it according the law. That's not how they work.
 
Again because this is no longer theoretical. In theory most people probably agree with Apple but then when it's applied to a specific case opinion shifts. That's why I say if this is a hill Tim Cook is willing to die on just a letter to customers on Apple's website won't be enough.

Another case involves an Jessica Chambers who was burned alive. Police believe that her texts would immediately provide more evidence to catch and convict her killer.
Not to sound harsh, but if 1000 people were killed by this guy, I would STILL want Apple NOT to comply. You can't take rights away from billions, even at the expense of 1000. The loss of any life is something that anyone with a conscious doesn't wish to endure. However, giving the government complete access to our private lives is simply out of the question for me. North Korea, yes. United States of America? Hell no!!!

Remember, once you lose a freedom, it's never coming back. When people tell you loss of liberty will lead to a better and safer life, make a run for the border as fast as you can!

EDIT: Before anyone complains about my use of "billions." I know there are not billions of people in the US. But this could affect everyone on the planet who has any type of device, not just Apple. Where would it end?

I agree, if your entire family was violently murdered and unlocking an iphone would solve the case, I would the killers go free than have the chance for someone to see pictures of my cats.
 
It's tricky I know.
Of course, like everyone here I am all for privacy.

On the other hand, those here saying how much they support this.
If they had just had photo's sent to them of their 8 year old daughter raped, and being told she is being held until killed, I wonder how much these same people would say, YES these people should be protected by Apple.

It's a tricky one, that's easy to say when it's not you that's affected.

Would america back Apple if America was under threat.... I suspect not.

It's not tricky at all, we should be able to encrypt and hide things. If someone is suspected of doing something wrong, your just going to have to do some good old fashion police work and catch them in the act some other way. A simple camera recording of someone using their phone with illegal pictures will do it.

This is a country for the people, not a country that makes things easy for the government or for the police. Any law designed to make things easier to police is total BS. People are scared of cops, the FBI is killing ranchers, BLM is seizing lands, their are whole anti cop movements, militarization of police forces, nationwide police forces (homeland security). This crap needs to be reigned in because we are giving all sorts of power to the government and who is going to be at the helm of that power in 20 years? Can you trust that power in their hands? No surveillance, no backdoors, no blanket data theft.
 
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Just because I have nothing to hide doesn't mean I appreciate people poking their noses into my affairs. There are no sensitive photos on my iPhone that I have qualms about sharing online, but that doesn't mean I will allow anyone to just take my phone like that and upload my entire photo library to Facebook.

Simply put, I don't have to, so why should I?

Yes because people are advocating that "anyone at anytime" should be able to browse the entire contents of anyone's phone...
 
Honestly, it's a hard issue because both sides are actually kinda right. Apple wants privacy and values that while the FBI is concerned with getting into a terrorists' phone to hopefully find out how to save more people. I don't think anyone's intentions on this are wrong...I wish there was a way to make it so we could open phones on a phone per phone basis, but if you create a way for one, you create a way for all. It's an all or nothing proposition so we really have to decide what's more important here and what we value. Because we can't just think in the short term about this terrorist attack. We also have to think about what Edward Snowden warned the world about and the government abuses. The government isn't really good or bad. They're just people. And to trust people with that kind of power....no

I agree with your statements. I feel the problem with this is the people who want access (Government/ FBI) are humans. They are not almighty truth hunters. With only pure motives. I remember seeing an interview with Snowden where he specifically remembered coworkers sitting around laughing and joking looking at nude photos taken from emails. I'm not sure how that directly thwarted a terrorist attack.
 
Completely support this. And those scared by terrorists and saying the government is "trying to help", wake up. You don't need to believe in conspiracy theories to understand that most terrorist groups are US-founded to begin with.
 
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You really think that it would be that easy? A search and seizure warrant requires a judges approval..you really think just anyone would have access to your iPhone or do you think that it would require a warrant, meaning that you're doing something wrong in the first place? Don't take it to unreasonable extremes.
Who knows how the law will evolve in the future. The best precaution one can take now is to ensure what my data remains encrypted and inaccessible regardless of what new-fangled scenario may arise in the future.

I agree, if your entire family was violently murdered and unlocking an iphone would solve the case, I would the killers go free than have the chance for someone to see pictures of my cats.
So it's come down to this. Pitting hypothetical scenario against hypothetical scenario.

But yeah, pretty much. For one, it's not just about me and my needs alone. I still believe that when it comes to an issue like this, the pros vastly outweigh the cons.

Yes because people are advocating that "anyone at anytime" should be able to browse the entire contents of anyone's phone...
Should Apple actually capitulate to the FBI's demands, I see this as a possible long-term outcome.
 
I disagree with Cook. Given a valid search warrant - and only with a search warrant - there should be a way to open a phone so that it can be used within a criminal investigation. It is no different than obtaining a search warrant for entering someone's house because there is reason to believe there is incriminating evidence inside.
Apple should simply design there software (both the lockout and the unlocking) in special ways that prevent missuse/abuse. How about it requiring a bespoke piece of hardware encased in concrete that weighs 50 tonnes and is only present in a few secure locations in the world?

Tim is simply being lazy in my opinion.

Lazy by opposing a government that has already violated the law and was caught doing things it shouldn't? No, Tim is right on here.
 
I'll be one of the many who will LINE UP for an iPhone 7.

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Interestingly serendipitous, this issue, esp. to go all "open letter" at a time of a predicted decline in iPhone sales. As former Obama Chief of Staff and current Chicago capo Mayor Rahm Emmanuel said, "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." The stockholder question is though, will Timmy be able to ride this wave of boldly fierce integrity until the next iPhone release?

Hopefully the next terrorist attack isn't in Cupertino.

Fat chance of that. That's akin to biting the hand that feeds you, or at least the hand that allows you to safely encrypt your terrorist plans. The iPhone is going to be as ubiquitous in certain organizations as the Toyota Hilux.


I, on the other hand, wish he would reign in the current phone design anorexia and include a phone battery that would last all day.
 
Dear Tim,

Keep up the good work.

Love,

ISIS

PS We decapitate, incinerate and crucify homosexuals.
For your efforts to protect our intel from the infidel FBI
we will give you your choice of departure when it is your turn.

xoxo

The above is sarcastic satire.
 
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I was going to say the same! :p

I've had this over a month....or at least since Apple starting pissing me off royally with their Cook corporate culture.
Had mine almost a year. Same reason but will save that for a different thread. :)
 
It's a harsh reminder how ignorant most Americans are when I see the numerous comments in here about Apple supporting terrorism. Apple is supporting American freedom, not terrorism. Nice straw man argument being presented by these individuals. Life is risky and this attempt to shackle everyone in digital bonds to make the risk as small as possible is overstepping bounds.
 
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Interestingly serendipitous, this issue, esp. to go all "open letter" at a time of a predicted decline in iPhone sales. As former Obama Chief of Staff and current Chicago capo Mayor Rahm Emmanuel said, "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." The stockholder question is though, will Timmy be able to ride this wave of boldly fierce integrity until the next iPhone release?



Fat chance of that. That's akin to biting the hand that feeds you, or at least the hand that allows you to safely encrypt your terrorist plans. The iPhone is going to be as ubiquitous in certain organizations as the Toyota Hilux.


I, on the other hand, wish he would reign in the current phone design anorexia and include a phone battery that would last all day.
I knew someone was gonna come in and say it's all just to sell more iPhones and that companies aren't allowed to actually have values. Thanks for coming along and proving my point!

YES. People that work at companies and even heads of companies are just mindless drones who only see dollar signs and who hate, let me emphasize, HATE everybody because something something money.

Ugh...people
 
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It's OK, all the smart normal people have an iPhone.

It's the terrorists who all own a Samsung, because they want to be 'different'
 
Fantastic Apple..now you become the preferred communication supplier for terrorists.
Again - I think there is no need for a generic back door key for the FBI or any other authority. Once a federal agency has physical access to a suspects phone and they do have a legal warrant from a judge to search this Apple should support the authorities by access the data on their site and handing back data and phone as separate entities without giving a generic key.

As if terrorist can't come up with better ideas to avoid a backdoor. Pretty naive to even think that. And even more naive would be the idea that terrorist would avoid iPhones because they are not protected... I mean, seriously?
 
If it's a four digit passcode like I suspect it is, they can just brute force it.

If this is the case they they are simply using this one case as leverage to get a backdoor into iOS, in which case they can shove it up their ****.

Not sure if anyone answered this already, but it's not. You can DFU boot and restore an iPhone to get around a passcode lock. You cannot get around the iOS Activation Lock, however, which is what the FBI is trying to do.

EDIT: What a stupid comment. I am totally wrong. They want to be able to brute force the passcode lock to view the data on the phone. It is not possible currently because the phone locks after so many tries. Sorry for the failed comment.
 
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It's a harsh reminder how ignorant most Americans are when I see the numerous comments in here about Apple supporting terrorism. Apple is supporting American freedom, not terrorism. Nice straw man argument being presented by these individuals. Life is risky and this attempt to shackle everyone in digital bonds to make the risk as small as possible is overstepping bounds.
We are a Fox News nation. We gather a small amount of information, form a strong emotional opinion and fight to the death to defend that opinion. It's surprising the number of people who probably know they hold incorrect opinions but keep fighting anyway just so they don't have to admit they're wrong
 
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Should Apple actually capitulate to the FBI's demands, I see this as a possible long-term outcome.

No they shouldn't, and if one of your family members was killed and unlocking an Iphone would solve their murder I, like Tim Cook, would protect the rights of the killer and help them get away with murder.

You might want to look up what the word "capitulate" means before you use it again.
 
It's surprising the number of people who probably know they hold incorrect opinions but keep fighting anyway just so they don't have to admit they're wrong

leroypants seems pretty ready to give up any and all rights in the name of terrorism. (something that is so statistically improbable it's not even worth having a discussion about)
 
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