Tim Cook: Apple Won't Create 'Backdoor' to Help FBI Access San Bernardino Shooter's iPhone

[nt5672]

Sorry Tim , I think you draw the wrong line. Supporting terrorism is just plain wrong. Any righteous person has nothing to hide from the government.

This is not supporting terrorism! There is no need for the phone data. They (the FBI) know who did it and they need to develop traditional methods (that admittedly are harder) to handle these crimes and not invade our privacy. Law abiding citizens should not have to give up their rights to help the government fight crime.

You are also wrong, they are not asking for this one phone, they are asking that Apple insert code that makes all phone open to government inspection on demand.

What rights are we giving up? The right to have have our phone protected from hackers. That is the issue! if you make it so the government can look inside, you make so anyone with a little knowledge can look inside. Encryption is either secure or not.

 

[leroypants]

Dear Tim,

You position annoys me. Perhaps you forget that I am the first U. S. president to carry out the extrajudicial assassination of American citizens.

Watch your back, homie.

Love,
Obama

Except he wasn't the first but don't let fact get in your way.

 

[Ghost31]

Completely support this. And those scared by terrorists and saying the government is "trying to help", wake up. You don't need to believe in conspiracy theories to understand that most terrorist groups are US-founded to begin with.

Remember how we couldn't close Guantanamo because if we moved the prisoners to the US, we would all be in danger somehow? As if these people had some kind of magical superhero powers to kill people? This is the problem we have. We don't understand people. Or threats. We use hypothetical scenarios to draft legislation which only leads to the disappearance of our rights. I hate the way things work. I wish there was rational discussion by some of the most brilliant minds in the world over this. What you get are emotional reactions by uninformed citizens and politicians trying to use this as a wedge issue for future political games

 

[Abazigal]

No they shouldn't, and if one of your family members was killed and unlocking an Iphone would solve their murder I, like Tim Cook, would protect the rights of the killer and help them get away with murder.

You might want to look up what the word "capitulate" means before you use it again.

capitulate - cease to resist an unwelcome demand

How am I using it wrong again?

 

[echo44]

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Another case involves an Jessica Chambers who was burned alive. Police believe that her texts would immediately provide more evidence to catch and convict her killer.


I agree, if your entire family was violently murdered and unlocking an iphone would solve the case, I would the killers go free than have the chance for someone to see pictures of my cats.

don't be so egocentric that just because your phone has cat pictures as its most sensitive info, that others don't have incredibly sensitive info on their phone!!!

What do I mean by sensitive? Company trade secrets such as chemical structures of new products being developed. On my phone I have patient health data. Would you like your future employer doing a background check to find out that you have been seeing a psychiatrist? Most fortune 500 companies use iOS on their mobile devices. There have been companies already that have gone broke from trade secrets stolen off electronic devices.

In a perfect world with a totally non corrupt government access wouldn't be an issue. Unfortunately we do not live in such a world!!

 

[gugy]

Well done Tim and Apple. Don't bend over for the government. Our personal freedoms are more important than terrorism.

 

[Moyank24]

Bravo, Apple.

 

[Bubba Satori]

Well done Tim and Apple. Don't bend over for the government. Our personal freedoms are more important than terrorism.

The dead have no personal freedoms.

 

[cdmoore74]

Phone, car, house, whatever. It's all personal property housing private information.

But I can break into your car or house if I'm a good guy or bad guy. Thieves don't need search warrants to take "personal property". STOP DUMPING PHONES IN THE SAME BUCKET. The same argument is not applicable.

 

[Ghost31]

leroypants seems pretty ready to give up any and all rights in the name of terrorism. (something that is so statistically improbable it's not even worth having a discussion about)

I really hope he's in the minority and that most everybody else is well informed on this issue. I fear if more people get emotional over this and have the opinion "rights? Who needs rights. I don't have anything to hide anyway" then the ride will turn and at some point there will be a culture shift. And when that happens, corporations might actually just give in and give up our privacy and security. How many times in history have the stupid gotten their way?

This is more serious than a lot of people even realize. One commenter on here even said Tim Cook just said this to sell iPhones because iPhone sales are going down. Wtf? How someone with the intelligence to type could draw that conclusions, I'll never know. But I do know if there's ever been a time to pull out the "slippery slope" card, this is the one

 

[RiddlaBronc]

The stupidity in this thread is mind boggling! If you support the fbi or anyone for that matter, trumping your privacy then go ahead and just leave your house unlocked and everything you owe as well. I mean you will be helping the fight against terrorism just in case the government needs to be sure.

Some people should not breed at all.

Famous words to live by "those who are willingly givingup freedom for a little bit of security deserve neither" -something along those lines.

Use your brain for a change

 

[gugy]

The dead have no personal freedoms.

It doesn't matter. A lot of people from all over the world died for freedom.
I see the point of helping the FBI against terrorism but there is no guarantees they can't or wouldn't use this to spy and prosecutes anybody at their desire.

 

[RogerWilco]

A question for all who think that Apple should cooperate and help create the back door to iOS: what happens when the "bad guys" use the newly-minted technology against us?

 

[Binarymix]

Ok, let's just give the FBI the backdoor. They are totally secure and it will NEVER fall into the wrong hands. /s


Just last week 1000's (20+) of FBI agents personal info was leaked.

This backdoor, or 'key' will eventually fall into the wrong hands (not that the gov't wouldn't use it wrongfully ?) if Apple is forced to allow it.

 

[SuperMatt]

Sorry Tim , I think you draw the wrong line. Supporting terrorism is just plain wrong. Any righteous person has nothing to hide from the government.

As far as I understood the FBI needs access to just this phone. I think Apple blew this for marketing reasons entirely out of proportion. If they (Apple) are able to access the data on that phone they should just help the FBI in a way that this is a one time only event. The FBI can deliver this phone to apple and they could have pulled the data off the phone in one of their secret labs and then hand back the phone and separately the data. No need to give the FBI a general key.

To quote the article:

You have literally zero understanding of how iPhone security works. Also, how can they order Apple to create an entirely new version of iOS just for one investigation? Can they compel MS to make a new version of Windows?

 

[MacHiavelli]

Forcing people to disclose info they don't want to disclose is torturous, irrespective of how that torture is carried out.

In a free society, no government should ever force (torture) anyone. Forcing Apple to act through a legal judgment against its will is no different to waterboarding or zapping Tim and other staff with electric shocks. Wrong on every level.

Not in my name.

 

[leroypants]

leroypants seems pretty ready to give up any and all rights in the name of terrorism. (something that is so statistically improbable it's not even worth having a discussion about)

You've got it wrong, I would rather the murder of Jessica Chambers go unsolved or possible further terrorist than have the possibility of my cat videos being exposed.

 

[DEMinSoCAL]

So it's come down to this. Pitting hypothetical scenario against hypothetical scenario.

You mean a hypothetical scendario like the one you gave earlier about anyone taking your iPhone and uploading all your photos to Facebook?

 

[Ghost31]

You've got it wrong, I would rather the murder of Jessica Chambers go unsolved or possible further terrorist than have the possibility of my cat videos being exposed.

This post is when I decided you were just messing with us and aren't here for a real discussion

 

[AFDoc]

I have a feeling the FBI has been waiting for something like the San Bernardino situation to bring up a lawsuit against Apple. We have known for years (thanks Snowden) that that FBI has been frustrated with the security on the iPhone. Now they finally got their chance to force Apple to create a backdoor.

This will most likely end up being a Supreme Court court. From a business POV, I don't think Apple could ever comply with this demand. The bad publicity around "Apple creates backdoor for the FBI" could easily destroy their sales. I don't know if the FBI is going to fine Tim Cook or sentence him to prison, idk, but he really really cannot comply with this demand. It's just too damaging to Apple.

Wow you need to learn how things work..... The FBI can neither fine or sentence anyone to prison.... It's almost scary that you don't know this. (If you're an American).

I say hell yeah Apple!! I didn't plan on switching but now you have a life long customer. Protecting your customers and politely telling the FBI to go f themselves... Double awesomeness!!

 

[leroypants]

Forcing people to disclose info they don't want to disclose is torturous, irrespective of how that torture is carried out.

In a free society, no government should ever force (torture) anyone. Forcing Apple to act through a legal judgment against its will is no different to waterboarding or zapping Tim and other staff with electric shocks. Wrong on every level.

Not in my name.

You should look up what torture is before you post again, and maybe after you find out what torture is you will delete your post.

 

[duffman9000]

Sorry Tim , I think you draw the wrong line. Supporting terrorism is just plain wrong. Any righteous person has nothing to hide from the government.

As far as I understood the FBI needs access to just this phone. I think Apple blew this for marketing reasons entirely out of proportion. If they (Apple) are able to access the data on that phone they should just help the FBI in a way that this is a one time only event. The FBI can deliver this phone to apple and they could have pulled the data off the phone in one of their secret labs and then hand back the phone and separately the data. No need to give the FBI a general key.

To quote the article:

If you think this is a one time thing you're being foolish. In other fairy tale news the mafia will begin asking for one time favors.

 

[echo44]

Myself being naive and trusting believe the current government and even the last administration make correct choices to protect the public and not abuse their authority. That being said creating a universal back door giving the government potential access to our privacy would be a grave mistake. What if the next government wants to prosecute people based on their religious beliefs or sexual practices? It may seem absurd that this could happen here. Don't be so sure; other countries with democratic governments have turned into dictatorships. If Donald Trump becomes the first dictator of the US would you feel comfortable knowing he could access any information about you? How would a dictator such as Hitler use data on citizens phones. Learn from history.

 

[AFDoc]

It is the principals behind this defiance that has me sold. A company that will fight for my right to privacy is a company I am happy to support. I will rid my android device and buy an iPhone 7 just because I know my data is secured even the almighty US government cannot access.

Tim Cook has my vote for man of the year 2016.

Exactly what I said!!

 

[NT1440]

The dead have no personal freedoms.

Is that a threat?