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This post is when I decided you were just messing with us and aren't here for a real discussion

Not at all, I would rather hundreds or thousands of criminals go free because Apple wants to protect them and hamper law enforcement. I feel a lot safer texting my cocaine dealer knowing we both use IPhones.
 
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So you're saying there is a direct correlation between more guns and less crime? Citation needed for the studies you've read

"The National Academy of Sciences review of possible influences on crime trends said there is good evidence of a link between firearm ownership and firearm homicide at the local level"

http://pewrsr.ch/15A2Gtw
 
Sorry Tim , I think you draw the wrong line. Supporting terrorism is just plain wrong. Any righteous person has nothing to hide from the government.

As far as I understood the FBI needs access to just this phone. I think Apple blew this for marketing reasons entirely out of proportion. If they (Apple) are able to access the data on that phone they should just help the FBI in a way that this is a one time only event. The FBI can deliver this phone to apple and they could have pulled the data off the phone in one of their secret labs and then hand back the phone and separately the data. No need to give the FBI a general key.

To quote the article:

From IOS 8 and above, I believe they no longer had a way to access another person's iPhone. In no line in this letter dies it say he does not support the FBI, on the contrary. What he says is that since they have no way to decrypt an iPhone now, the request to do so by the FBI means that they would need to create a separate IOS version with a backdoor to access said iPhones. And I believe him when he said that although they would only use the backdoor in this case, it's very unlikely this would be the truth (as we can see for example with the NSA, they give you no privacy).

Apple does not oppose to help them bring justice to this case, they only oppose to give them access to every single iPhone in the world through the one used in this case. Can you imagine the kind of information you could have access with this "simple" tool?
 
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Sorry Tim , I think you draw the wrong line. Supporting terrorism is just plain wrong. Any righteous person has nothing to hide from the government.

As far as I understood the FBI needs access to just this phone. I think Apple blew this for marketing reasons entirely out of proportion. If they (Apple) are able to access the data on that phone they should just help the FBI in a way that this is a one time only event. The FBI can deliver this phone to apple and they could have pulled the data off the phone in one of their secret labs and then hand back the phone and separately the data. No need to give the FBI a general key.

To quote the article:
Wow..... You and those that think like you are very dangerous to those that love freedom. Please research what people have given up to ensure your freedom and really contemplate/evaluate what you said and if you truly believe it.
 
Apple need never have to weaken security for the phones in circulation publicly..
That's where the paradox is. You can't make something secure except for access by <fill in your favourite team>. The moment you add *something* that enables bypassing security, it's by definition no longer secure. The jail-break community has shown that they can and will exploit any weakness in the hardware/software.

You can't just decide to be 'ok' with a backdoor for your favourite team. At the same time you also consciously have to be ok that your private data will be vulnerable to the baddest of bad guys. Bottom line you can't have both...
 
What rights are we giving up? The right to have have our phone protected from hackers. That is the issue! if you make it so the government can look inside, you make so anyone with a little knowledge can look inside. Encryption is either secure or not.

That's a right? Where in the constitution would that be? Which amendment? We don't have a right to keep our phone safe from hackers. The phone manufacturers have included a feature to help ensure the data on our phone is secure, but it's not a right.
 
Fantastic Apple..now you become the preferred communication supplier for terrorists.

Again - I think there is no need for a generic back door key for the FBI or any other authority. Once a federal agency has physical access to a suspects phone and they do have a legal warrant from a judge to search this Apple should support the authorities by access the data on their site and handing back data and phone as separate entities without giving a generic key.

I'm surprised you didn't ask us to think of the bloody children.
 
This is exactly the sort of positive word of mouth that Apple can attribute it's success to.

It's exactly that Tim Cook is saying, they will protect the privacy of criminals like me who deal and sell cocaine. I will only text drug deals through IMessage knowing Apple will protect me from law enforcement.
 
I knew someone was gonna come in and say it's all just to sell more iPhones and that companies aren't allowed to actually have values. Thanks for coming along and proving my point!

YES. People that work at companies and even heads of companies are just mindless drones who only see dollar signs and who hate, let me emphasize, HATE everybody because something something money.

Ugh...people

That's quite a coincidence because *I* knew someone was gonna come in and say, "I knew someone was gonna come in and say" something that I didn't say! Like about values and mindless drones! And that they would use the nonsensical phrase, "HATE everybody because something something money"!

Thanks for coming along and proving *my* point! (whatever that may be.)

Ugh...reading
 

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It's tricky I know.
Of course, like everyone here I am all for privacy.

On the other hand, those here saying how much they support this.
If they had just had photo's sent to them of their 8 year old daughter raped, and being told she is being held until killed, I wonder how much these same people would say, YES these people should be protected by Apple.

It's a tricky one, that's easy to say when it's not you that's affected.

Would america back Apple if America was under threat.... I suspect not.
As an American, Veteran, and lover of the Constitution I'll answer your question..... I would back Apple even if the US was under eminent threat..... The Constitution actual means something to some Americans.... Maybe not all and definitely not most of those that have sworn an oath to defend it (not talking about military here).
 
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Wow..... You and those that think like you are very dangerous to those that love freedom. Please research what people have given up to ensure your freedom and really contemplate/evaluate what you said and if you truly believe it.
So you and those like you feel that freedom means criminals and terrorists should be able to commit their crimes with no fear of anyone being able to see or hear what they are doing? In your naive world were everyone is a saint that might work, but in our world, the bad people take advantage of weaknesses in the system and have no conscience.
 
Tim Cook should have cited former US-President Benjamin Franklin at the end:


“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

Benjamin Franklin

That's the guy who at one point in his life owned and used human slaves....
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So you and those like you feel that freedom means criminals and terrorists should be able to commit their crimes with no fear of anyone being able to see or hear what they are doing? In your naive world were everyone is a saint that might work, but in our world, the bad people take advantage of weaknesses in the system and have no conscience.

I only do drug deals through IMessage knowing Apple will protect me from law enforcement.
 
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No they shouldn't, and if one of your family members was killed and unlocking an Iphone would solve their murder I, like Tim Cook, would protect the rights of the killer and help them get away with murder.

Seriously?!? So...if some awful,awful crime was acted on you or your family and the FBI were confident enough to issue a warrant that would enable access to evidence on a phone that would then incriminate the perpetrator...you are saying you'd rather retain your right to privacy than to have a means for the FBI to make a prosecution??!? What on earth do you keep on *your* phone that you don't want the FBI to ever see!?!

I am astounded. Truly truly astounded.
 
We don't. If you're a bit of a nut/conspiracy type, you could say this is a public false flag operation to make people think FBI can't get into your iPhone when they actually can. For all we know, Apple and the government could be working together on this.

But I'll give apple the benefit of the doubt on this. I have no reason to believe the imagined scenario is happening

Why is the FBI wanting Apple to do it then? Are they lazy?
 
This is a battle they will lose, proving someone committed a crime is more important.
The problem is, your have to prove someone committed the crime... Legally. You can not just violate law to show someone is a criminal. And the question is, is demanding someone engineer a tool so that you can violate the design and security of people that use that tool... Well is that ethical, and is it legal?
 
Any righteous person has nothing to hide from the government.

This statement is absolutely false. Let me fix this for you: "Any role model type of person that has gone through his/her life in a manner that is generally considered correct has nothing to hide from the government.".

You see, as long as you are nobody, people will not care about you. Your opionions, notes, e-mails and pictures are meaningless. As soon as you become a nuisance for a person with enough power, you can be quickly silenced and/or compromised. And believe me, there's always something for anybody - sexual preference, lies and so on. This stuff can be leaked somehow, by somebody. It's not something you can go to jail for, but your life can be ruined.

http://www.cnet.com/news/cop-charged-with-stealing-nude-photos-from-suspects-iphone/

Would you really like to give any government means to know anything and everything about you? You realise that these organizations are run by fellow humans.. and these are prone to break rules.
 
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Apple knows a stellar marketing opportunity when they see it.

Considering the predictable, idiotic/amusing "apple is unpatriotic!!1!!!" right winger posts in the comment sections of yahoo & co., I'm not sure if Apple really did perceive this as a "stellar marketing opportunity".
 
Not at all, I would rather hundreds or thousands of criminals go free because Apple wants to protect them and hamper law enforcement. I feel a lot safer texting my cocaine dealer knowing we both use IPhones.

But you are on the side of the FBI for only shady or illegal doings.

If this goes through, ALL information is accessible.

There is corruption in every level of law enforcement right up to the government. They don't need to have access to everyones information, no matter how illegal, or legal.

I don't want my personal texts filtered, as anything, no matter how innocuous, could be twisted into being something the government deems 'illegal'.

Next thing you know talking about your sex life to your spouse, jokes to a friend, or even disagreeing with the government, could land you in jail.


I'm a strong believer that whatever you do in your own home, or on your own cell phone, should be totally private and just between you and the other party, not open to everyone (especially the government) for examination.

Yes, it would be great if only illegal activities could be sought out, but allowing a backdoor to fight illegal activities, also infringes upon everyones privacy, and this should not be allowed.

It's all or nothing.
 
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