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Tim Cook Calls Chromebooks 'Test Machines', Discusses Testing at Hour of Code Event
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He/she said NOTHING has worked right. You can't give an example of nothing, now can you? Jeez, you should have bought an iPad to learn good back in school.
Yes. That's the simple answer. ;-)
Connectivity certainly - appleTV so unreliable it is no longer ever used, ruined far to many a lesson. Apps managed through an MDM solution don't install properly, I.e. Only 80% iPads download them (a different 80% each time) plus the fact you have to enter the appleID password TWICE for every app on every iPad. Never been able to get VPP working so have never managed to get any paid apps. Additionally iOS upgrades also took forever having to be done 1 by 1 on each iPads. All iPads have been wiped and restored with MDM solutions and Apple configuration setups twice by a proper education Apple company to no avail. iMacs less of an issue and issues with them more to do with 3rd party security things wiping any new apps installed.
I guess charging has never been a fault.
I would probably say the same when downplaying a disruptive technology that is overrunning our schools.
Spill proof on certain models and easily replaceable screens are another great factor on Chromebooks.
Spill proof on certain models and easily replaceable screens are another great factor on Chromebooks.
Not only that: I also don't see Apple hiring developers that do NOT have an academic education. According to Cook, these people have not learned about creativity and only studied to pass some tests. Something doesn't feel right here.
It's sad that most people only care about the cheapest solution for education.
Especially when that solution is provided by the worlds largest advertising company. A company that will do anything to get you and your data into their system.
Especially when that solution is provided by the worlds largest advertising company. A company that will do anything to get you and your data into their system.
All the other mentions like Netflix are distractions in school setting not a plus.You must be mistaken... They're only for for taking tests
I first saw a video clip of Tim's comments on my wide-screen... I noticed a slight green cast in the color but couldn't adjust it out.
Then I realized it's Tim, Green with Envy at just how useful, fast, fun a Google Chromebook is!
I absolutely love my 13" Google Chromebook!
But the big difference between Tim's views and mine is that I have no reason to bad mouth products that compete with Apple. And quite frankly Apple doesn't either.
Then I realized it's Tim, Green with Envy at just how useful, fast, fun a Google Chromebook is!
I absolutely love my 13" Google Chromebook!
But the big difference between Tim's views and mine is that I have no reason to bad mouth products that compete with Apple. And quite frankly Apple doesn't either.
Very true. I'd expect apple has very high standards for recruitment, which includes proficiency tests in relation to coding.
Because the devices are not used the same. Even android devices are used differently because developers support them differently. The direction Apple pushes makes iPads an evolution in teaching. Using a chrome book is just replacing the useless PCs that have been tried for years. It's not about cheap devices. The cheapest device is none. Then you don't need a support staff that will be working overtime when you race to the bottom on price, because you get what you pay for. Hell you can skip wifi to. Just have a dial up connection and a fax machine. Chrome books are not an improvement, they just represent the ceding of children's personal information to google and making them subject to Googles relatively common but rarely talked about mass outages.
And yes, they are already being sued by a group from a school district where the vowed they were no collecting data on the kids but were caught doing it anyway thinking no-one was smart enough to catch them.
If that were the case, chromebooks wouldn't be as popular as they are now would they.
Apple has a one size fits many philosophy in some respects. Chromebooks and the likes address specific needs.
You don't need to spend $799+ on a MacBook if a $150 device can get the job done.
Cook's right about the overemphasis on tests, but that's just a diversion from his argument against Chromebooks. If he truly believes the reason why schools are choosing Chromebooks over iPads and Macs is due to testing, he's ignorant. Chromebooks are cheap, durable, and super reliable. I use a Chromebook all the time at home (and not to take tests!) and it quickly proved to live up to the old Apple mantra "It just works." THAT is why schools are choosing Chromebooks.
Yeah I have to agree. There is not currently a good way to use this Tech. I installed countless lab carts and in room labs a decade ago and that is exactly how they were used then. This is a very big hole in education chain. I suspect one reason it is far harder to test a student on can they think there way out of this issue vs can they check the right box on the online quiz or bubble on there scantron. One day I think Tim will be proven right. The education you are getting now was designed before there was a glimmer of what a computer might even be. I will say I loved working in education but they desperately need a core values change that they are legally not allowed to make at least in my state.
He's trying to distort reality very hard. Never will acknowledge his mistakes.
This could be easily said a hundred years ago: "In a world where you’ve got all the information you’ve got right here,” Cook gestured to my Encyclopaedia Britannica, “your ability to memorize what year a war was won and all this kind of stuff isn’t very relevant.”
Tests can't replace proper education but creativity without any tests can't do it either. There're Americans in 2015 who believe that Martian movie is based on a true story. Probably they didn't learn dates or anything like that in school, hoping that iPhone one day will get them "all the information".
This could be easily said a hundred years ago: "In a world where you’ve got all the information you’ve got right here,” Cook gestured to my Encyclopaedia Britannica, “your ability to memorize what year a war was won and all this kind of stuff isn’t very relevant.”
Tests can't replace proper education but creativity without any tests can't do it either. There're Americans in 2015 who believe that Martian movie is based on a true story. Probably they didn't learn dates or anything like that in school, hoping that iPhone one day will get them "all the information".
Tim, in his typical slow speaking style, has dumbed down a very important point that could use further elucidation -- maybe more than can be done in this forum. There are things where rote learning approaches are necessary and the most efficient. In sports, for example we practice over and over to get what is referred to as muscle memory. Of course this is only one part of what is needed and any system that relies solely on rote learning will be deficient. Creativity is important in that it allows the mind to wander and wonder. This is less efficient but can produce unexpectedly positive results. Remove the rote acquired knowledge and it becomes less predictable or efficient. Bottom line is that we need to memorize things like our multiplication tables (which so few seem to be capable of these days); we need to understand the principles involved in things; we need to understand the history of things so we know what has been tried, what has succeeded, what has failed and why. With all of this, we need to allow creativity to flourish; without all this, I would argue that creativity diminishes.
I work in construction. Most of the guys building bridges barely made it through high school and half don't even speak english which is what everything is written in on the plans.
In my line of work you have to have creativity as well as smarts to design a DWV system that will work alongside all the Ducting and electrical lines running through a building. Testing doesn't help any of that.
Chromebooks sell well -- exceptionally well. well beyond their forecast volumes, and mostly to education.
It's not about making cheap computers just to be cheap, either. It's about toeing the fine line between affordability and customer satisfaction. The Net Promoter Score is used by the big companies to see how well their products fare in terms of user experience, what the detractors to the experience are (i.e. battery life not as long as advertised), and what the promoters are (i.e. touch screen extremely responsive), and so on.
Apple, btw, absolutely leads in NPS in the consumer space (with Lenovo breathing down their neck). But they have zero presence in the low-cost space. That's where Chromebooks come in.
It's not about making cheap computers just to be cheap, either. It's about toeing the fine line between affordability and customer satisfaction. The Net Promoter Score is used by the big companies to see how well their products fare in terms of user experience, what the detractors to the experience are (i.e. battery life not as long as advertised), and what the promoters are (i.e. touch screen extremely responsive), and so on.
Apple, btw, absolutely leads in NPS in the consumer space (with Lenovo breathing down their neck). But they have zero presence in the low-cost space. That's where Chromebooks come in.
Well, I wouldn't say suffer. Most of my kid's school classes use interactive website where teachers can keep a watch on student's progress from K-middle school. Chromebook is perfect for that and no virus and crap to take care of. If it's high school and higher education, you'd want a mac/pc depending on your major.
In web development, I know many developers use chromebooks because chrome's web developer tools are really good. It's cheap and developers can install linux on it if they want. So Chrombooks serves a purpose.
For the chrombook pixel, Google basically developed it for internal employee use, they simply opens it up for outside purchases if the public wants it.
I generally like Cook. As a CEO, he's turned making huge profits into an art form. That's why this BS he's pushing about education is so disappointing. I understand he's doing his job of putting Apple in the best light. But denigrating Chromebooks as "test machines" is a disingenuous ploy to avoid the truth about iPads and education. Creativity is not the answer to education. It's one part; just as testing plays a part. So does nutrition and physical fitness. Most of all, good teachers and administration. Educating is multifaceted process. A singular focus on one facet, be it creativity or testing, is a recipe for failure. Even if creativity was the only answer, the iPad isn't the "be all, end all" of creativity. Last I checked, creativity didn't start and stop with Apple. It's pretty simple to me. Chromebooks surpassed iPads in education because of a combination of cost, keyboard, and to the dismay of some in this thread, capability. Also, Google actually make Chrome for Education a priority.
Nope. Not possible. School can't be free to its students. My politicians told me so.
(to the sound of Thos. Jefferson rolling over)