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I agree. The opposite of love is not hatred but indifference.

But Steve Jobs backed up his complaining with real action. He wasn't just whining for the sake of whining. He listened to his customers, but listening doesn't mean you bend over backwards to accede to their every demand.

And if you want to be pedantic about it, the Mac was also placed on the back burner while they focused their energies on the iPhone. So it's not as though "Steve Jobs would have never allowed the Mac to languish." He did, when it suited the needs of the company to.

I mean it when I find that this place is turning into an echo chamber of negativity and toxicity. Yeah, so people get to exercise their "freedom of speech" and vent and make themselves heard.

My response then is - at what price? What is the cost of that?

I think this is constructive for both sides seeing and trying to understand the other.
 
I agree. The opposite of love is not hatred but indifference.

But Steve Jobs backed up his complaining with real action. He wasn't just whining for the sake of whining. He listened to his customers, but listening doesn't mean you bend over backwards to accede to their every demand.

And if you want to be pedantic about it, the Mac was also placed on the back burner while they focused their energies on the iPhone. So it's not as though "Steve Jobs would have never allowed the Mac to languish." He did, when it suited the needs of the company to.

I mean it when I find that this place is turning into an echo chamber of negativity and toxicity. Yeah, so people get to exercise their "freedom of speech" and vent and make themselves heard.

My response then is - at what price? What is the cost of that?
Say what? The Mac was in a huge transition to intel at the time of the iPhone launch and there was ALWAYS great effort to keep the Mac current under Jobs. I've been on the Mac for over thirty years and whats happening now is nothing short of pathetic.
The opposite of love is NOT indifference and I do plan to take action. If this is the new Mac, I'm out.
Oh, and by the way, Steve was famous for telling customers what they needed before they knew it, not seeing how far they could be squeezed for cash before they squealed.
 
The opposite of love is NOT indifference and I do plan to take action. If this is the new Mac, I'm out.

That's precisely my point. Love and hate are two sides of the same coin called "passion" here. Regardless of whether we love or hate Apple, we remain passionate about all things Apple and just can't ignore it.

The worst thing that could possibly happen to Apple would be if people were simply ambivalent to whatever Apple was doing and left quietly for greener pastures.
 
That's precisely my point. Love and hate are two sides of the same coin called "passion" here. Regardless of whether we love or hate Apple, we remain passionate about all things Apple and just can't ignore it.

The worst thing that could possibly happen to Apple would be if people were simply ambivalent to whatever Apple was doing and left quietly for greener pastures.

FWIW, I don't think there are people here that "hate" Apple. But there are plenty of angry ones, myself included.

After all, anger is rooted in disappointment, which in turn is rooted in expectation.

Thus Apple love has turned to anger, given the constant disappointment many of us feel regarding the current state of Apple products and their apparent trajectory.

In many ways, I believe Apple has changed and it feels like a long-time wife who begins to chase younger men.

It's us who don't enjoy getting cuckolded that need to learn to walk away, painful as it may be, instead of remaining angry at "what could have been".
 
how are product pieline/R&D the same category?
Completely different things. Design and test is much different from shipping in volume. You can suck a R&D and be great at JIT supply chain.
If product pipeline is meant to indicate nascent stuff due to come out, that is a joke. Nobody knows, because unlike other computer companies, Apple does not preview its tech.
See Intel for a dominating company that does.
innovation/R&D, C-
consistent design language across brand, C-
 
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Supply. Chain. Genius. That’s the moniker regularly applied to him. What it means is that he should have products on the shelves to prevent customers going elsewhere.
He’s been a Supply. Chain. Genius., for years. Thought he’d have mastered it by now.


He's not running the supply chain anymore. He's the CEO.
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how are product pieline/R&D the same category?
Completely different things. Design and test is much different from shipping in volume. You can suck a R&D and be great at JIT supply chain.
If product pipeline is meant to indicate nascent stuff due to come out, that is a joke. Nobody knows, because unlike other computer companies, Apple does not preview its tech.
See Intel for a dominating company that does.
innovation/R&D, C-
consistent design language across brand, C-


"Product pipeline" is a standard term in the industry. It refers to new product models ("designs") that come to market or are coming to market. It has nothing to do with inventory or supply chain. It has everything to do with R&D.

Apple does in fact preview its tech, under NDA, to select journalists and analysts.
 
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