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Tim Cook Cashes in $3.6 Million in Stock as Respected Analyst Gives Him Passing Grades
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Because those cries for updated Macs invariably lead to all manner of personal attacks and petty insults, ranging from "Fire Tim Cook" to "Apple is doomed" that serve no purpose save to make the forums that much more acerbic and toxic. Which does, in turn, have a very direct and real impact on how I enjoy my time here at Macrumours.
I am not attacking the person. I am attacking the argument itself and the unfortunate manner in which it has been made. This, I feel, has to improve.
So you will fight against any calls to release products that customers want? Because that is what I see you doing in numerous threads.
I will fight any call to do so at the expense of the harmony and the atmosphere of the forums here.
That Reddit post is against freedom of speech . There is no law that says that being on an Apple forum implies I should be an Apple cheerleader
It's rule number one of being a decent human being - don't be a dick.
Being in a public forum means that everything we do and say will have an impact on the user experience of everyone else who visits the forum as well. As such, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect that certain basic tenets of human decency are respected and observed.
We can agree to disagree, but not to the point of creating such an unpleasant and toxic environment for everyone else to be in. We can spam vapid memes like "courage" but to what end, and for what purpose precisely? No more pointless negativity disguised as constructive criticism because honestly, because what does that accomplish besides turning the whole thread into one giant echo chamber of pointless negativity? Absolutely nothing.
Basically everything which has been outlined in that Reddit thread I linked to above.
From the Reddit...
"The Elephant in the Room
There are a lot of negative attitudes in the subreddit. More than we've ever seen. The mod team is watching this place slowly devolve, and it's disheartening to say the least. Apple is a very polarizing company, and we should be able to both praise them and hold them to a high standard without turning on one another. We do understand Apple will get (and sometimes deserves) criticism. We just want it to be in a more constructive way so it isn’t just constant circlejerking, arguing, and complaining..."
I think we can all back this up here. But when facts are laid out, whether it is historical precedence over the past decades and past trends, or facts based on technology, components, then the apologists can take a deep breath as opposed to jumping in with frivolous opines. Yes both 'factions' have opinions and when they are supported by evidence all the better. But we don't need any more pissing matches. We have a faction clamoring for a new powerful macs and others saying 32GB RAM is overkill for a portable... seriously?! Yeah we all have differing perspectives, but can't we all broaden our views and at least try to understand what each other is trying to convey? I think why so many people here love Apple is because it has created these amazing tools for creation and consumption, tools that are incredibly easy to use and manipulate and process information. From the indie bloggers and podcasters, art students, to the DJ, audio engineer, film studio, designer and architect studio, music producer and everything else in between, including the great coding and app writers that make all that possible. Is it difficult to really appreciate a tool and the desire for tools to continue to be refined, updated, made more powerful and capable? And to get back on point, as was stated in the reddit article "to hold them to a high standard" includes Cook and his leadership, which as evidenced by this thread has many different perspectives on his performance, much of that is up for discussion-there are valid arguments on both sides. It's worth it to look outside our isolated echo chamber and really try to understand another's point of view.
I'm sure this will be reported, we'll see if the lucky mod has the balls to keep it up.
"The Elephant in the Room
There are a lot of negative attitudes in the subreddit. More than we've ever seen. The mod team is watching this place slowly devolve, and it's disheartening to say the least. Apple is a very polarizing company, and we should be able to both praise them and hold them to a high standard without turning on one another. We do understand Apple will get (and sometimes deserves) criticism. We just want it to be in a more constructive way so it isn’t just constant circlejerking, arguing, and complaining..."
I think we can all back this up here. But when facts are laid out, whether it is historical precedence over the past decades and past trends, or facts based on technology, components, then the apologists can take a deep breath as opposed to jumping in with frivolous opines. Yes both 'factions' have opinions and when they are supported by evidence all the better. But we don't need any more pissing matches. We have a faction clamoring for a new powerful macs and others saying 32GB RAM is overkill for a portable... seriously?! Yeah we all have differing perspectives, but can't we all broaden our views and at least try to understand what each other is trying to convey? I think why so many people here love Apple is because it has created these amazing tools for creation and consumption, tools that are incredibly easy to use and manipulate and process information. From the indie bloggers and podcasters, art students, to the DJ, audio engineer, film studio, designer and architect studio, music producer and everything else in between, including the great coding and app writers that make all that possible. Is it difficult to really appreciate a tool and the desire for tools to continue to be refined, updated, made more powerful and capable? And to get back on point, as was stated in the reddit article "to hold them to a high standard" includes Cook and his leadership, which as evidenced by this thread has many different perspectives on his performance, much of that is up for discussion-there are valid arguments on both sides. It's worth it to look outside our isolated echo chamber and really try to understand another's point of view.
I'm sure this will be reported, we'll see if the lucky mod has the balls to keep it up.
Why should it get reported? Seems to state things pretty clearly.
I know I've spouted off a lot, and I think that after a couple years of constant disappointment, I've started planning my Apple exit strategy. So I promise to calm down. But I also promise to air my disappointment, in a more respectful way.
The calls for Tim to leave are from the passionate Apple fans who feel very betrayed by Tim. And while Abazigel is correct that Apple can do whatever they want, I have a lot of sympathy for those who have been left out to dry by Tim. I can't blame them for expressing their anger/disappointment.
I hope all those who feel betrayed, are able to find a better fit, be it a hackintosh, Linux or even Microsoft. It's a shame it's had to come to this.
I know I've spouted off a lot, and I think that after a couple years of constant disappointment, I've started planning my Apple exit strategy. So I promise to calm down. But I also promise to air my disappointment, in a more respectful way.
The calls for Tim to leave are from the passionate Apple fans who feel very betrayed by Tim. And while Abazigel is correct that Apple can do whatever they want, I have a lot of sympathy for those who have been left out to dry by Tim. I can't blame them for expressing their anger/disappointment.
I hope all those who feel betrayed, are able to find a better fit, be it a hackintosh, Linux or even Microsoft. It's a shame it's had to come to this.
Oh yes. The God Steve jobs did it. He was all things good. Worship him.
Who's the blind one now lol
And here is a good example of it being thrown from the other end of the spectrum. Abezigal, if you want to be the police of these forums, please call out folks like these as well
Baby steps.
I am just one guy, and I am very cognizant of my own capabilities and limitations (mostly time and energy). I can't "police" them all, so for now, I will focus my energies on the most vocal critics that are clearly causing the biggest ruckus and the most disruption.
Maybe you don't understand that while Apple stopped referring to itself as a computer company, it used to still make great computers. But the lineup I posted is crap, regardless of MacRumor's "Buy/Don't Buy" status. It is ALL under Timmy C.
Nobody here wants to go to Windows, to all the BS we left in the first place. But that is the source of the frustration. Timmy is literally killing the computer side of Apple, while keeping the mobile side (iOS) from becoming a true replacement.
Thus, I disagree with his "grades".
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1. I disagree on Tim being an idiot, in a John Sculley kind-of-way.
2. It's not "fear". The iPad really is not as capable. It could become that, but see #1.
3. The Mac lineup is weak and or ignored. Long-time fans are either leaving or waiting. Either way, they're not buying. But let's see sales numbers. Still, back to #1.
4. If the updates to the MacBook Pro are the baseline, Apple will move to an all-soldered-throwaways lineup, which is a non-starter, at least for me. Again, let's see what the sales numbers say in the future.
So it all adds up to early 90's Apple. It's starting to feel like that, at least.
It is the same bit of legislation that prevents others from posting their frustration against Apple.
'Sez you. If someone wants to rag on Apple on these forums that's his business. At least they are on topic--which is Apple and its products--unlike others who seem to post about other posters!
Yeah. We know.
You can't make this stuff up. Let's see... about that critical thinking... If I or anyone else here wants a new Mac, who the Hell cares about whatever else Apple may or may not be doing right? What bloody difference would it make to me if Apple were producing the best damn emojis or watch bands in the world if what I'm interested in are Macs? Show us an example of this critical thinking you're talking about.
QED.
You're not calling anything out. You're complaining about complainers. Sheesh.
LMAO! Reddit as an authority. Just when you thought you'd seen it all! LOL!
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Well, at least you're honest about it being all about you. Others shouldn't complain here because it will upset you. Gotcha.
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Oh, brother!
So in other words, you will simply complain about the complainers.
And the value add is what, exactly?
Abezigal?
Clearly you are blind to the forums. There are many who actually say bad about Apple when they call for it but praise them when they deserve it. Unlike you, who looks to criticize at any opportunity. I'm done with idiocy.
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When there's a short list it's easy to make a claim like that. I agree. But not because of Steve jobs. Because of the lack of saturated markets, unrefined softwares, development of emerging technologies... you're blind to not see Cook as going a good job, given the conditions presented to him.
I don't think you or I will get anywhere discussing the fate of the Mac. However regarding the iPad: I feel that for a lot of people, they just don't need a Mac. Truly, they don't. They won't even push up to the limits of what iPad can do. Tim Cook's statement served as marketing for those people.
I do wish that they would improve iPad, though. With iPad 2 and iPad 3 the iPad events felt like they pushed the iPad forward - presumably because Apple released some great first-party software which made you realise just what the iPad could do. We went from "no one will edit video on a tablet" to iPad 2 and iMovie.
I now want Apple to answer the critics of "you'll never build an app on an iPad" and "you'll never do animation on an iPad", etc, even if it means partnering with Adobe for a proper version of Adobe After Effects for iOS.
I wish they'd jigger Mac OS into a software product that runs on x86 platform and call it a day.
Complainers are the very reason that Apple rose above the rest. If Steve had not complained and bitched about every detail that he wanted modified or changed in every product during his career, Apple would not exist or would be a vanilla company like Microsoft. A CEO that doesn't have the vision of Steve Jobs could do well to listen to his or her customers and incorporate their wants and needs. If conflict of ideas is so difficult for you, your in for a rough existence.
Passion about a product indicates great love, and its hard to loose something you love.
I agree. The opposite of love is not hatred but indifference.
But Steve Jobs backed up his complaining with real action. He wasn't just whining for the sake of whining. He listened to his customers, but listening doesn't mean you bend over backwards to accede to their every demand.
And if you want to be pedantic about it, the Mac was also placed on the back burner while they focused their energies on the iPhone. So it's not as though "Steve Jobs would have never allowed the Mac to languish." He did, when it suited the needs of the company to.
I mean it when I find that this place is turning into an echo chamber of negativity and toxicity. Yeah, so people get to exercise their "freedom of speech" and vent and make themselves heard.
My response then is - at what price? What is the cost of that?