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Tim Cook Cashes in $3.6 Million in Stock as Respected Analyst Gives Him Passing Grades
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Glad to see another irrational anti-Apple forum member. I see it as it is. As a consumer I don't really enjoy it but looking at R&D, you're blind to not see that they've done well.
You're unhappy with Apple, that is fine, you have the right to be disgruntled. The fact that you think your opinion is the only one that counts and outweighs everyone else is pure comedy though. How do you not run your own competitor to Apple yet since you seem to know more than everyone there?
Of course we should judge him based on our individual needs! Who gives a crap whether or not Cook's Apple provides products and services someone else wants or needs? Not I! Do you? Does anyone?
I couldn't care less. I'm interested in certain products and if Apple can provide them then I will financially support the company, at which point I'd only be concerned they remain in business to continue to provide me with what I want. If they can't or won't then I don't give a damn if, for example, they are providing you with what you need or are turning over 1% profit or 500% or losing piles of money. This is a company, not some cultural institution with some sort of intrinsic value.
Most of us here have or had a soft spot for Apple, but ultimately the company must be able to provide products that we personally want or it becomes simply irrelevant.
False interpretation. I am not saying my opinion is the only one. I am saying every Apple customer pays a 200/400% premium for other things than spaceship buildings, crazy bonuses, overpaid music execs, overdesigned luxury in shops, malls, 20k unused patents, unused billions on the bank, tax evasion, pedantic environment promotion amidst depletion of the world's rare earth reserves, etc. etc. that you apparently approve/applaud.
As a customer, I paid for maintaining the (once) competitive advantage. So I may demand better products to be developed (battery, failproof, fallproof, elementary things like cables that keep working) and a company that listens to its customers. I expect the Mac division to flourish, not to be orphaned. I expect the premier PC company of the world to be headed by something better than lunatic butt-talk about a PostPC era to sell professionals a PhoneOS on a tablet.
Luckily, I am myself in another business than consumer IT, effectively monopolized by behemots like Samsung/Apple - a despicable conspiracy of so-called competitors merely cooperating. So thanks for the suggestion, but these have made market entry fairly unattractive.
It is not that professionals at Apple are worse than "me", as there is soo much talent out there, it's that the mgt. style effectively kills creativity and innovation. Some of the most talented are leaving now.
So please stop reading/citing things that aren't there. And by approving/ignoring all these things, you only stimulate further Ballmerisation.
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He doesn't. He's not an idiot. He said 'why would you buy a PC' for a maerketing thing. I think there are lots of PC users who would be more than happy with iPad but don't for fear it's not as capable.
As for the Mac lineup... the MacBook Air exists to hit a price point. With time the 12" MacBook and the 13" MacBook Pro (non touch bar) will replace it.
The Mac mini exists also to hit a price point.
As for the iMac. Presumably that's getting an update this Spring. Then you'll have an iMac, MacBook Pro and MacBook which are all new.
The Mac Pro is a wildcard. A massive update in 2013 and then silence? You'd have thought they would just discontinue it. John Gruber said he things something went badly wrong within Apple to stop them updating the product.
Every fortune 500 has a similar laundry list of items.
Of course, if you at the breaking point you could:
- organize a shareholder revolt
- write the board and ceo
- divest of the stock
- move on to another company
I get a competitive advantage because the products "just work" for me and what needs to get done. As you noted, that is not the case for you. However, that is not to say there are things that could always be improved.
I think this is an accurate breakdown. Apple is great because of their marketing, first and foremost. Products have been weak for innovation, relying mostly on previous design qualities that still can't be beat by competitors which says a lot about the competition. Features and innovation might be where they are weak. Tim Cook and Marketing get the highest rating possible because of the stock price with the products not that impressive. They hook me... I bought two new MB Pro's, iPhones and more.
Cook easily gets a passing grade. The stock has more than doubled in the past 3 1/2 years even while it is the top 3 largest (market cap) companies already. Microsoft was once in this position before dropping for a decade of no growth. They hired/fired CEO's and still no movement. Hopefully Microsoft keeps growing for competition.
To rip Cook is common here on MR and it is based on "we don't like it" while the stock keeps going up and that is why Cook gets a passing grade. By the end of 2017, Apple might have record sales and record profits and many people here will still hate him, want him fired, mock Ivy and every product Apple makes... just because. Well, probably because they love Samsung/Google.
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You do understand what those Buy/Don't Buy is based on - right? One, it is MacRumors opinion which isn't that great and Two, it is posted as "We think a new release is coming soon, so don't pay full price. MR doesn't have any marketing and sales executives or purchasing experts working for them, just regular people with little experience at all other than an opinion. It doesn't mean "Don't buy Apple Products" By this spring, the iPhone will say Don't Buy because a new one is coming in a few months.
Apple isn't a computer only company anymore. You should buy a Windows PC and start hating Microsoft again... then reboot your computer daily with patches and updates to protect the over bloated O/S from hackers and viruses that still make up 90+% of all attacks.
Don't Buy is a perpetual rating for Microsoft's O/S... who says that? Me! My opinion is equal to MR Buy/Don't buy on any product.
Done well? They've spent a lot of money. Big difference between the two, as we sit here with lagging tech, and a Mickey Mouse watch that can't survive away from the mother ship.
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If Steve had abandoned the Mac the way Tim has, we would be up in arms, all the same. But since Steve actually cared about the Mac, even with a highly profitable iPhone, we never had to deal with the idiocy we are currently dealing with.
Yep. Done well.
My fitbit also gets an "F" if I can't sync it to my iphone. What's the point of it other than a wristwatch?
As far as lagging tech, when the competition designs innards/SOCs as good as apple, I'll agree to the lagging tech comment.
Divested stock already, got written responses ignored and not eager for Ballmerised fortune500 corpses. Shareholder revolts from another continent seems difficult (but not impossible)
Who cares?!
The hardware inside my early-2008 Mac Pro WILL become obsolete or wear out over time (heat takes a toll on electronics - already had to replace my graphics card). WHERE IS THE REPLACEMENT? And I do NOT intend to replace it with another Mac Pro currently available since they already are at least 3 years old.
The hardware inside my early-2008 Mac Pro WILL become obsolete or wear out over time (heat takes a toll on electronics - already had to replace my graphics card
). WHERE IS THE REPLACEMENT? And I do NOT intend to replace it with another Mac Pro currently available since they already are at least 3 years old.
Most companies would give their figurative right arm to be in the scrap heap that Microsoft was after ballmer left.
I find it nothing short of amazing that when an analyst says something negative about apple they are full of it. When they give glowing praise, the same folks are here to agree with them. And the only credible analysts seem to be the ones doling out the accolades.
I have no real opinions about the ratings either way, but I've been around long enough to notice the same players in these "debates" here on MR. Not unlike the US political climate, I guess.
I have no real opinions about the ratings either way, but I've been around long enough to notice the same players in these "debates" here on MR. Not unlike the US political climate, I guess.
Yeah, because suppl chain constraints on things like OLED would never be a factor.
Supply chain genius now means he can change reality?
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I think this is an accurate breakdown. Apple is great because of their marketing, first and foremost. Products have been weak for innovation, relying mostly on previous design qualities that still can't be beat by competitors which says a lot about the competition. Features and innovation might be where they are weak. Tim Cook and Marketing get the highest rating possible because of the stock price with the products not that impressive. They hook me... I bought two new MB Pro's, iPhones and more.
Cook easily gets a passing grade. The stock has more than doubled in the past 3 1/2 years even while it is the top 3 largest (market cap) companies already. Microsoft was once in this position before dropping for a decade of no growth. They hired/fired CEO's and still no movement. Hopefully Microsoft keeps growing for competition.
To rip Cook is common here on MR and it is based on "we don't like it" while the stock keeps going up and that is why Cook gets a passing grade. By the end of 2017, Apple might have record sales and record profits and many people here will still hate him, want him fired, mock Ivy and every product Apple makes... just because. Well, probably because they love Samsung/Google.
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You do understand what those Buy/Don't Buy is based on - right? One, it is MacRumors opinion which isn't that great and Two, it is posted as "We think a new release is coming soon, so don't pay full price. MR doesn't have any marketing and sales executives or purchasing experts working for them, just regular people with little experience at all other than an opinion. It doesn't mean "Don't buy Apple Products" By this spring, the iPhone will say Don't Buy because a new one is coming in a few months.
Apple isn't a computer only company anymore. You should buy a Windows PC and start hating Microsoft again... then reboot your computer daily with patches and updates to protect the over bloated O/S from hackers and viruses that still make up 90+% of all attacks.
Don't Buy is a perpetual rating for Microsoft's O/S... who says that? Me! My opinion is equal to MR Buy/Don't buy on any product.
Who has to reboot daily?
Like I said. Someone who wants something Apple doesn't give so he whines and complains about deems products nobody makes.
Ok, I get it that you don't get it.
Run a procuring chain beginning to end and you may get it. The report back what you learned.
But Apple USED to make those products. At least they did before Timmy took over. Abandoning the Mac is certain to anger the blood of those on MACrumors, why would you think otherwise? Just because you seem to refuse apply critical thinking to Apple's lineup, does not preclude others from doing such.
You call it whining, others call it holding Apple accountable.
Accountable for what? Where's the legislation which states that Apple is obligated to keep selling Macs every year?
It is well within Apple's right to sell whatever products they want, whenever they want. As a consumer, you vote with your wallet. Nothing more, nothing less. I know I certainly voted in spades last year.
These critics are the ones who aren't thinking critically. They want new Macs, are upset that Apple isn't giving them exactly what they want, and their rage and frustration blinds them to everything else that Apple is doing right. They aren't capable of seeing beyond their own noses. What would you call this, if not the textbook case of short-sightedness?
This is what we are calling out.
And I think it says a lot when even other forums are specifically calling out Macrumours as an example of what they do not want to devolve into.
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comm...a_fireside_chat_with/?st=IY7ZMAZA&sh=50d97df1
The Law of Prior Precedent.
It's well within Apple's right to sell what they want, that is 100%. But why are you, and many other Apple apologist, constantly berating those of us asking for updated Macs? It's like we are personally attacking you, when we ask for Apple to release updated computers.
I don't care about watches, I don't care about Watch Bands, I don't care about Apple Music, nor self driving cars, etc...
I care about Macs, I only wish Apple did as well.