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When comparing the iPad Pro to Surface Pro 4 recently I've noticed something interesting. The iPad's Smart Keyboard is lacking a track pad, which is a departure from Steve Jobs famous comments that touch screen devices are not a good solution and that the user should never have to reach up to touch the screen.

In fact, I just googled the comments and here is what he said:

"We've done tons of user testing on this, and it turns out it doesn't work. Touch surfaces don't want to be vertical.

It gives great demo but after a short period of time, you start to fatigue and after an extended period of time, your arm wants to fall off. it doesn't work, it's ergonomically terrible.

Touch surfaces want to be horizontal, hence pads."

iPad Pro with the Apple keyboard and no track pad delivers the kind of user experience Steve Jobs wanted to avoid after "tons of user testing" and yet here we are... So, maybe the thinking about user experience isn't where it used to be. Just saying.
 
When comparing the iPad Pro to Surface Pro 4 recently I've noticed something interesting. The iPad's Smart Keyboard is lacking a track pad, which is a departure from Steve Jobs famous comments that touch screen devices are not a good solution and that the user should never have to reach up to touch the screen.

In fact, I just googled the comments and here is what he said:

"We've done tons of user testing on this, and it turns out it doesn't work. Touch surfaces don't want to be vertical.

It gives great demo but after a short period of time, you start to fatigue and after an extended period of time, your arm wants to fall off. it doesn't work, it's ergonomically terrible.

Touch surfaces want to be horizontal, hence pads."

iPad Pro with the Apple keyboard and no track pad delivers the kind of user experience Steve Jobs wanted to avoid after "tons of user testing" and yet here we are... So, maybe the thinking about user experience isn't where it used to be. Just saying.

Apple want to push the IPP as a PC replacement, as it`s cheaper to design, cheaper to manufacture, Apple has full control of IOS applications and most importantly is far more profitable for Apple, the user experience is very far down the list...

IPP may work for some, for me it`s just another IOS consumption device, better the compromises of a Windows 2 in 1, which are lessening on each revision. Microsoft and the OEM`s are making significant progress, while Apple lets it`s PC line fall in into what can only best be described as stagnation.

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Is Tim Cook a Better CEO than Steve Jobs?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinom...ok-a-better-ceo-than-steve-jobs/#3ff3d4b94e44

I miss Steve very very much but any good leader, as Steve was, knew his strengths and weaknesses.

Steve Picked Tim As His Successor

Tim is the future of apple 10 - 15 years+, Steve would be proud of what Tim has done, so far, and Tim's vision.
While that is one successor story, there is another one that's been floating around the Apple campuses since Steve's funeral. Steve was very concerned about the place getting comfortable with noting new originating at the core of the company. From this, he suggested outsiders that never worked at Apple to be at the board level. Supposedly, that was rejected.
 
And I'm guessing that Apple counts on that to a degree. They can get away with more than other companies because people feel locked in to the ecosystem. If people started to leave in significant numbers, they'd change quicker.

exactly. I hate Windows and love Mac software, but I do want new hardware on my Mac, iPhone, and even iPad at this point.

My friends who are not into Apple make fun of me for sticking with Apple even though some things disappoint me. They just don't understand I can't get a Samsung Note/Galaxy because then my Watch will be useless. Then, my iPad (Wifi) can't be tethered to my iPhone wirelessly. Then, I can't use Continuity on my Mac.

See how I'm 'stuck?' lol
 
While that is one successor story, there is another one that's been floating around the Apple campuses since Steve's funeral. Steve was very concerned about the place getting comfortable with noting new originating at the core of the company. From this, he suggested outsiders that never worked at Apple to be at the board level. Supposedly, that was rejected.

Thats an absolutely excellent idea !

In fact, IMO, they should really purge the entire Board, and bring-in 5-7 Outsiders to shake things up.

Apple needs to re-focus & re-prioritize.

And Apple Upper Mgmt needs to fear the (new) Board; I seriously doubt that is the case now.
 
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Apple's AI is well behind Google and Amazon. It's because they take privacy so seriously. Apple's dictation doesn't remember words I fixed or said in the past, and Siri is just plain dumb compared to Google.

I'm not sure how Apple will catch up without the big data collection.
Thank Tim they take it so seriously! I just spent the past half hour setting up my Surface 4 and Cortana and reading through ALL of the privacy documentation.:eek: It is creepy as hell! :confused:

I'm taking my first tentative footsteps out of the walled garden (I'm a longtime Windows user but last used it before Cortana. I'm halfway tempted to cancel my Note 7 order and run back into the security and privacy of my walled garden. When Tim says in the interview that people have no idea what is being stored about them, he was not speaking lightly. :confused:

I've got renewed respect for Apple's slow, plodding methodical approach that respects me as a person and my right to privacy and tries to put as much of this AI stuff as it can locally on my device.

Long live Tim and may he continue watch the curbs he steps off! I don't agree with everything he does but as I set myself up further to be able to function across platforms I gain a better respect for what Apple has done under his direction and the standards they are trying to maintain.
 
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Thank Tim they take it so seriously! I just spent the past half hour setting up my Surface 4 and Cortana and reading through ALL of the privacy documentation.:eek: It is creepy as hell! :confused:

I'm taking my first tentative footsteps out of the walled garden (I'm a longtime Windows user but last used it before Cortana. I'm halfway tempted to cancel my Note 7 order and run back into the security and privacy of my walled garden. When Tim says in the interview that people have no idea what is being stored about them, he was not speaking lightly. :confused:

I've got renewed respect for Apple's slow, plodding methodical approach that respects me as a person and my right to privacy and tries to put as much of this AI stuff as it can locally on my device.

Long live Tim and may he continue watch the curbs he steps off! I don't agree with everything he does but as I set myself up further to be able to function across platforms I gain a better respect for what Apple has done under his direction and the standards they are trying to maintain.

Soon as Apple releases Sierra with Siri, MacOS is going to need to gather much the same user/location data as W10 & Cortana. Apple has being doing the same for years on IOS. Same as Microsoft, Apple needs the date to deliver and improve the user experience.

My own observations are that year on year OS X is sending evermore data to Apple`s servers, nor do I considerate it malicious, rather being a function of improving the OS. Tim Cook is just playing the privacy card as it`s politically expedient, it also neatly derails people from asking just exactly what data is Apple acquiring about/from it`s customers.

The only difference I see is one company is more upfront about the data it acquires from it`s users...

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This is Apple, they should care about they Mac even if it's not the best return on investment. That's the whole problem with Cook, he only cares about figures, Apple was special and that resulted in the gigantic fanbase, but me as a fan find their currents products to be boring and outdated, and if it wasn't for TouchWiz I would immediatelely get myself a Galaxy Note 7.

Touchwiz is not bad anymore, it's improved so much it's not a bad thing like it once was. But, even still you can easily use a different launcher like Nova and not use Touchwiz. AMOLED > LCD
 
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So many words and opinions - so little substance. The short rebuttal: show us, don't tell us !!
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This is called a forum, on a forum you share opinions, thoughts, ideas, comments...

So don't post stupid statements in bold and red trying to make out you are right and others are wrong. I believe my post has a lot more substance than what you are offering anyone. Im not sure how you think I can 'show you' I'm pretending I'm part of the company - I don't name myself 'Apple' or anything - I'm giving an opinion. If you don't like it block me - I've blocked you already.

Keep smiling :)
 
When comparing the iPad Pro to Surface Pro 4 recently I've noticed something interesting. The iPad's Smart Keyboard is lacking a track pad, which is a departure from Steve Jobs famous comments that touch screen devices are not a good solution and that the user should never have to reach up to touch the screen.

In fact, I just googled the comments and here is what he said:

"We've done tons of user testing on this, and it turns out it doesn't work. Touch surfaces don't want to be vertical.

It gives great demo but after a short period of time, you start to fatigue and after an extended period of time, your arm wants to fall off. it doesn't work, it's ergonomically terrible.

Touch surfaces want to be horizontal, hence pads."

iPad Pro with the Apple keyboard and no track pad delivers the kind of user experience Steve Jobs wanted to avoid after "tons of user testing" and yet here we are... So, maybe the thinking about user experience isn't where it used to be. Just saying.

Its like in trying to reinvent the wheel they came up with a square and are trying to market it as a new thing via the pen.
 
When comparing the iPad Pro to Surface Pro 4 recently I've noticed something interesting. The iPad's Smart Keyboard is lacking a track pad, which is a departure from Steve Jobs famous comments that touch screen devices are not a good solution and that the user should never have to reach up to touch the screen.

In fact, I just googled the comments and here is what he said:

"We've done tons of user testing on this, and it turns out it doesn't work. Touch surfaces don't want to be vertical.

It gives great demo but after a short period of time, you start to fatigue and after an extended period of time, your arm wants to fall off. it doesn't work, it's ergonomically terrible.

Touch surfaces want to be horizontal, hence pads."

iPad Pro with the Apple keyboard and no track pad delivers the kind of user experience Steve Jobs wanted to avoid after "tons of user testing" and yet here we are... So, maybe the thinking about user experience isn't where it used to be. Just saying.

That's an excellent point of view there! I didn't notice that even though I was looking into getting a SP4 for my professional creative work ( I have to in order to use the desktop apps and native files with layers intact in high res ).

But yes, the iPad Pro with keyboard is a contradiction to what Jobs was trying to convey.
 
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Siri? Sorry Tim, but go ask her: "How old is Michael Phelps?" Unless it has been adjusted since this morning, you will learn he is 54 years old and used to play for the LA Clippers. Technically, this is absolutely correct. But if you ask Google the exact same question, you will see he (the Olympic swimmer) is 31, and even get nice pic's of his lovely wife and child. Somehow, Google is able to add the necessary contextual awareness to 'know' that I was asking about the swimmer, not the more obscure basketball player. Some may say this a trivial question, but I would respond by saying that these are the kind of simple, trivial questions that Siri (and anything calling itself 'AI') should be able to answer easily. At this point in its development, one should expect it to 'just work'.

Peace be with you.
 
Soon as Apple releases Sierra with Siri, MacOS is going to need to gather much the same user/location data as W10 & Cortana. Apple has being doing the same for years on IOS. Same as Microsoft, Apple needs the date to deliver and improve the user experience.

My own observations are that year on year OS X is sending evermore data to Apple`s servers, nor do I considerate it malicious, rather being a function of improving the OS. Tim Cook is just playing the privacy card as it`s politically expedient, it also neatly derails people from asking just exactly what data is Apple acquiring about/from it`s customers.

The only difference I see is one company is more upfront about the data it acquires from it`s users...

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Do you think Apple's "differential privacy" methodology doesn't really add any extra layer of security or privacy to the data that's collected over the way Microsoft and Google collect and use data?
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Siri? Sorry Tim, but go ask her: "How old is Michael Phelps?" Unless it has been adjusted since this morning, you will learn he is 54 years old and used to play for the LA Clippers. Technically, this is absolutely correct. But if you ask Google the exact same question, you will see he (the Olympic swimmer) is 31, and even get nice pic's of his lovely wife and child. Somehow, Google is able to add the necessary contextual awareness to 'know' that I was asking about the swimmer, not the more obscure basketball player. Some may say this a trivial question, but I would respond by saying that these are the kind of simple, trivial questions that Siri (and anything calling itself 'AI') should be able to answer easily. At this point in its development, one should expect it to 'just work'.

Peace be with you.
I asked Siri "How old is Michael Phelps the Olympic swimmer?" She said she did not know. :eek: Siri is usually able to tell me the age of any celebrity I've asked about in the past. Whoa. :confused:

Edit to update. I asked Cortana "How old is Michael Phelps?" She said he is 31 years old. But dammit, I wanted to know how old the guy from the Clippers team was! Stupid Cortana ;):D
 
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Wow, reading these comments reminds me of how loud soccer (european football) fans tends to react and behave as soon as their team is underperforming for a few matches. Everyone starts to scream about how the trainer / manager needs to get fired because he is doing a horrible job with the team and how the team needs to replace pretty much the entire team with new and better players.

Two months later, the team is back on track and noone is complaining anymore. But as soon as you lose a few, the ********* starts all over again...


There is no point in firing Tim Cook at this stage. He has not done anything wrong after taking over as a CEO of the company. When we look at Apple's overall market value and profit, Tim has managed to make the tree grow even further into heaven something that in and of itself is impressive considering he took over a company that as already at an all time high.

But that's Tim Cook's biggest problem. He took over a company that was already skyrocketing towards heaven. And he took over for what must be the most popular CEO of any company of all time? The status that Steve Jobs had within the company was next to none, and I don't think the world has ever seen a CEO of a consumer products company like Apple having a CEO with such a enormous amount of fans out there.

There is simply no way Tim Cook could ever "deliver" what people want as a successor to Steve Jobs. No matter what he does, there will also be a large number of people complaining.



With that said, he has yet to really prove himself as a visionary. Apple has yet to release anything new after he took over as CEO of Apple. The only thing we've got so far is the new MacBook 12-inch and the Apple Watch and that's pretty much it. Both are great devices, but none of them are any marvels of the industry.


The Apple Watch is a great devices and arguably the best smart watch on the market. And it became the most popular one right away. The problem for Apple is that smart watches a market does not seem to be taking off, so having the best product in this category is always nice but it won't really give Apple much of anything in the long run unless something fundamental changes and smart watches suddenly become a thing that most consumers want to have on their wrist.

The MacBook 12-inch is a great notebook, it's my personal favorite of the whole line-up at the moment and it's yet again Apple delivering something that is perhaps the best on the market in its size and weight category. But it's nothing really that special, it's just a really great looking and well-built notebook that is really thin and lightweight due to the Intel Core M not requiring active cooling.



All the other products have not seen much of an improvement other than spec bumps. We still have the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro line-up that has yet to see any re-design for a couple of years now. They still look and works great, but the Air really needs to get better displays and the Pro's did take a awkward turn when they never got updated to Intel Skylake and Apple suddenly decided to ditch NVIDIA graphics for AMD in a time where NVIDIA is simply superior in every way. Both in terms of performance and power usage.


The iPhone did see a real upswing in sales with the iPhone 6, and that's a model that got released under Tim Cook. But the release didn't bring anything special other than increasing in size, something the market was demanding resulting in a huge spike in sales. And now rumours has it that we are going to get the third iPhone release with basically the same design, so that's two years with simply a spec bump and nothing else done to the phone.



People are asking for Apple to reinvent the wheel. And that is just not going to happen anything soon. It's not like new, revolutionary products and new groundbreaking product categories are created every few years. When looking at Apple's past, it's not like Steve Jobs walked on stage every two or three years and revolutionised the world.

So why people seem to expect and demand that Tim Cook should bring forth the "next-big-thing" already is beyond me. That's not how it works, and that's not how Apple did it under Steve Jobs either.



But it might seem like Tim Cook is being too much of "that nice guy". Where Steve Jobs was known to be ruthless, it seems like Tim tries to be a "buddy". If he lets all the others go rampant and do whatever they want it will cause a mess down the line. And he seems to be taking this "nice guy" approach towards the board as well, focusing on maximising profits of each product line.

Decisions like sticking with 16GB iPhones and iPads doesn't really make much sense. It starts hurting Apple when consumers gets frustrated by the lack of space on their devices. And tossing a "Pro" name onto the new iPad 9,7-inch just to be able to increase its price even though it features the exact same hardware as one would expect a iPad Air 3 to feature just feels dumb.

And the prices for Apple's first-party accessory have also increased to hideous levels under Tim Cook. Take that charing cryb/stand for the Apple Watch. Or the prices for case and smart cover for the iPad Pro.

All we're asking is to update the way overdue product line.... I don't think that's too much to ask nor is that high expectations. Heck a little vision would be nice too.

Tim is rehortic with his "exciting product pipeline", "insanely great" comments all lead you to believe that something awesome is coming out this year, but it never does. It's the same product with a few extra incremental updates to the same old thing. It's boring and slow.

And Jives is just a mediocre designer that was great with Jobs ideas but on his own lacks vision or true passion. The whole exec team is no longer hungry and are soaking up big paychecks with nothing to show for it (except Craig Fer..)

It's not only sad to see this happening to Apple again, but even sadder for those who don't see the problem yet. There's still time to correct the course but will take a huge step up from the board or another act of higher power.
 
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I think this is spot-on. Angela has made changes and not for the better. Hiring her was a mistake but firing her would be admitting it. She may be far more responsible for turning Apple into a fashion company than anyone else. I will never understand why selling watch bands is better than selling top notch Mac's. Real computers are what put Apple on the map.
Ugh, I hate jumping on the bashing bandwagon but even in jest, this "watchbands thing" is a pet peeve of mine.

Because I actually like the watch bands and wanted to collect a few, but I found to my dismay that I don't think they are even that great at selling watch bands. I stopped collecting them because so often when I went to order a certain color or style they were unavailable or sold out or not available yet. Just for a test I tried four different colors of 38 mm sport bands on the site and got those results. Our store is being redone so I will have to withhold judgement until after the remodel. But it was something of a mess in the accessories section the last time I was there.
 
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Do you think Apple's "differential privacy" methodology doesn't really add any extra layer of security or privacy to the data that's collected over the way Microsoft and Google collect and use data?

Just another strategy, or possibly terminology, all the majors gather user data for their own purpose, nor will it do them any good to be considered to be leaky. Microsoft has been put in the spotlight with Windows 10, equally they are reasonably clear on the data gathered and it`s purpose. Much of W10`s telemetry can be shutdown, equally it will clearly also reduce the functionality of the OS.

Apple to me wants to be seen to be caring about your privacy, yet like many of Apple strategies it`s more related to manipulation; they make you feel good and at ease, so no need for the user to question. Yet logically Apple has been gathering user data for many years on IOS devices, and will intensify the same on the Mac come Sierra, how else can the likes of Siri or Cortana be of use without an element of your personal information.

For the most the data acquired is randomised and or meta data. Bottom line if you have privacy concerns then the only solution is encryption, nor should it be provided by the vendor of the OS with an independent third party provider being the preferred solution. It`s also worth considering the origin and whose legislation the provider falls under. If you really want a level of anonymity on the web, then one of the varieties of Linux or FreeBSD is the solution, equally don't expect what you get with OS X or Windows 10 out the box, if ever.

Apple greatest strength has always been selling Apple, call me cynical; to me Apple is just coming across as using the ongoing public privacy concern for it`s own needs in the face of flagging sales. With some recent events I would have far more respected Apple if they agreed to extract the data, yet refused to divulge the methodology, than have Tim Cook speaking from on high as our guardian of privacy...

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When Siri works, it feels almost magical, but about half of the time, Siri drives me nutty.

Example from last week while driving:

Me: Hey Siri, find an urogist near me.

Siri: Okay, I found one near you, should I call it?
The one she looked up was over 400 miles away.

Me: Hey Siri, look up Doctor Hoofnagle in Bel Air, Maryland.

Siri: Okay, I found Dr Nagle, should I call it?

I tried a bunch more combos of urogist, Hoofnagle, and others with no luck.
This went on for about 15 minutes until I got home and just did a search myself on safari.

I know this is just one example, but stuff like this happens all the time.

Using Siri to send a text, I end up telling my ex-wife not to let my girls putside of her house because there is a big pimple loose running around. It was suppose to be pit bull.
Oh goodness I about died laughing! Siri does remind me of my mom these days. Mom needs to get hearing aids but she's got that "I hear just fine" attitude going on that my father-in-law had for a couple of years before he got fed up with realizing he was having completely different conversations from the rest of us. I have got tinnitus so I often mishear things to comic effect myself when the whistling is particularly loud on some days.
 
Just another strategy, or possibly terminology, all the majors gather user data for their own purpose, nor will it do them any good to be considered to be leaky. Microsoft has been put in the spotlight with Windows 10, equally they are reasonably clear on the data gathered and it`s purpose. Much of W10`s telemetry can be shutdown, equally it will clearly also reduce the functionality of the OS.

Apple to me wants to be seen to be caring about your privacy, yet like many of Apple strategies it`s more related to manipulation; they make you feel good and at ease, so no need for the user to question. Yet logically Apple has been gathering user data for many years on IOS devices, and will intensify the same on the Mac come Sierra, how else can the likes of Siri or Cortana be of use without an element of your personal information.

For the most the data acquired is randomised and or meta data. Bottom line if you have privacy concerns then the only solution is encryption, nor should it be provided by the vendor of the OS with an independent third part provider being the preferred solution. It`s also worth considering the origin and whose legislation the provider falls under. If you really want a level of anonymity on the web, then one of the varieties of Linux or FreeBSD is the solution, equally don't expect what you get with OS X or Windows 10 out the box, if ever.

Apple greatest strength has always been selling Apple, call me cynical; to me Apple is just coming across as using the ongoing public privacy concern for it`s own needs in the face of flagging sales. With some recent events I would have far more respected Apple if they agreed to extract the data, yet refused to divulge the method, than have Tim Cook speaking from on high as our guardian of privacy...

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My view is that even if Tim cares about privacy rights, I can understand that especially in this time and age of the world being paranoid. BUT using privacy as a scare tactic to make people stay on iOS or the walled garden is also very manipulative, shaming Android as unsafe.

Reminds me a bit of how the Bush administration created Homeland Security over 9/11 fears. As if they want people to give up their rights in the name of security, fingering terrorism as the point of blame.

So Apple is kind of doing something like that saying " Bad Android! Bad! iOS good! iOS safe! Stay away from the red berries and stay in The Village! ".
 
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What in the world are you thinking??? The cash is built upon Steve's vision and creativity - not anything Timmy has created. At best he has been a caretaker and implementer of incrementalism. The share buyback has been a huge waste of money, a useless effort to prop up the stock. Cook has overseen one of the largest losses of shareholder value in history. The dividend is low at 2% - meh.
1. Please do not insert your response within my quote. It is important to respond correctly on these forums.
2. Please read the actual article before responding. It is important to respond intelligently on these forums.

I will grant you that most do not follow either one of these two points, so I understand why you may have overlooked this.
 
And as usual, the reporter fails to ask the one question Mac people really wanted to know.
"WTF is going on with Apple computers? Are they dead to you? If not, when can we expect new units?"
Does it feel like it was scripted?
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Ugh, I hate jumping on the bashing bandwagon but even in jest, this "watchbands thing" is a pet peeve of mine.

Because I actually like the watch bands and wanted to collect a few, but I found to my dismay that I don't think they are even that great at selling watch bands. I stopped collecting them because so often when I went to order a certain color or style they were unavailable or sold out or not available yet. Just for a test I tried four different colors of 38 mm sport bands on the site and got those results. Our store is being redone so I will have to withhold judgement until after the remodel. But it was something of a mess in the accessories section the last time I was there.
Would it be a pet peeve if Tim says to you: "It's incredible," "it's the most exciting time," "It's amazing" when you thought some things are not all that appealing to you?
 
My view is that even if Tim cares about privacy rights, I can understand that especially in this time and age of the world being paranoid. BUT using privacy as a scare tactic to make people sty on iOS or the walled garden is also very manipulative, shaming Android as unsafe.

Reminds me a bit of how the Bush administration created Homeland Security over 9/11 fears. As if they want people to give up their rights in the name of security, fingering terrorism as the point of blame.

So Apple is kind of doing something like that saying " Bad Android! Bad! iOS good! iOS safe! Stay away from the red berries and stay in The Village! ".

Unfortunately this is how I see it with Apple; endless law suits over something that adds up to nothing, all about control and manipulation with little to no innovation. Apple is just becoming evermore typical corporate America, where money & numbers are the only defining factors.

If Apple got back to delivering great product, then nobody would care about the rest, nor would Apple need too. Right now Apple delivers mediocre product at a premium price point, therefore interest is waining....

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Oh goodness I about died laughing! Siri does remind me of my mom these days. Mom needs to get hearing aids but she's got that "I hear just fine" attitude going on that my father-in-law had for a couple of years before he got fed up with realizing he was having completely different conversations from the rest of us. I have got tinnitus so I often mishear things to comic effect myself when the whistling is particularly loud on some days.
The fact that people pay these prices for rubber watch bands made in china just amazes me. Either people think that apple has some type of special rubber that is handcrafted or they just "hate money". I bought several watch bands from the same people in china for less than $4. In all fairness, I tell my wife all the time that she "hates money". Really there is no other explanation for paying $49 for a watch band. Of course this is why Tim keeps focusing on it, the profit margin is outstanding. Why would you want to slave over making new macs when you can just get sheep to pay $49 for a watch band. Sorry rant over.
 
Well you have to give him credit because he did mention the word Mac once in the article. It's just time to realize that Apple doesn't really care about the Mac that much anymore because they see the traditional PC market in decline. That doesn't mean you or I feel that way, but Apple just isn't that interested in this market (especially pro stuff) anymore. Return on investment is much lower then the consumer mobile products.

The tablet market is in decline but that doesn't stop them churning out new iPads. They would sell a lot more Macs if they put the same effort into the Mac line-up as stupid watch bands.
 
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