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"Can you tell me about your job?"

Cook - "Yes, my job is to make sure we re-use the same tech years and years over, but continue to charge premium prices. Also, I'll continue to come out with more watch bands"

He seems to think media interviews are a substitute for new products.

Quite frankly I don't give a **** what he does all day, I just want a new MBP.
 
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2. Please read the actual article before responding. It is important to respond intelligently on these forums.

I will grant you that most do not follow either one of these two points, so I understand why you may have overlooked this.


Hey - I'll insert my comments where I decide to. The article was read entirely - my comments were about your comments which were rubbish concerning the financials - that shows your lack of experience / knowledge on investing / ROI / $130,000,000,000 wasted on buybacks.
 
The fact that people pay these prices for rubber watch bands made in china just amazes me. Either people think that apple has some type of special rubber that is handcrafted or they just "hate money". I bought several watch bands from the same people in china for less than $4. In all fairness, I tell my wife all the time that she "hates money". Really there is no other explanation for paying $49 for a watch band. Of course this is why Tim keeps focusing on it, the profit margin is outstanding. Why would you want to slave over making new macs when you can just get sheep to pay $49 for a watch band. Sorry rant over.
They're NOT rubber! They're Fluoroelastomer! ;):D

Well you've got a great point but I've got a lot of chemical sensitivities due to autoimmune disease, so I've been wary of cheap products from China. Sometimes they're great and sometimes they give a nasty rash.

When I read about and saw the pictures of the horrible rashes some Fitbit wearers were getting from their bands I decided to err on the side of caution and go with Apple's version since they seemed to make a pretty thorough study of allergic reactions like mine when coming up with their materials specifications. They also have a reputation to protect. The vendor in China may or may not care. That's a gamble I don't like to take very often.

When I get a bad reaction from a product, sometimes I recover quickly and sometimes I suffer and need topical steroids. It's not something I take lightly.

Let me say something in defense of your wife. I grew up with very modest means. I really didn't have any money to spare on luxuries until my mid 30's. I'm 50 now. I've lived a very frugal life most of my life. I bought the off brands. I wore hand me downs from people outside of my family since I was an only child. I was the kid in the cheap dime store shoes that I wore until they fell off of my feet...same as all the other kids in my neighborhood and in my schools.

I felt as you did. I met my husband and he came from a family that believed you get what you pay for and bought name brands. Hubby and I clashed quite a bit with me taking your position and accusing my husband of wasting money. Over the twenty years of our marriage and thirty years of our acquaintance it is I who have come to see his point of view. I've seen myself go through several cheap shoes that fall apart or are uncomfortable while he enjoys one comfortable pair of shoes for several years.

Even my parents became converts and learned to invest in a few quality name brand items instead of many cheap off brand items.

Actually it would not surprise me that so much exposure to cheap off brands over so many decades (the chemical smell of some of my tennis shoes was pretty intense) is the reason my sensitivities are as bad as they are.
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Does it feel like it was scripted?
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Would it be a pet peeve if Tim says to you: "It's incredible," "it's the most exciting time," "It's amazing" when you thought some things are not all that appealing to you?
Nah. He can say what he wants. I appreciate his ability to muster up so much enthusiasm when the crickets are chirping in the audience. I wish I had that kind of energy.

It's not the bashing or mentioning of watch bands that's a pet peeve of mine. It's the irony that the joke is that watch bands are what Apple seems to specialize in these days, when in my experience I have to say if that's their focus...it is not working out all that well. Pet peeve probably is not the expression I was looking for. It's probably more along the lines of "the irony of it all slaps me upside the head really hard until I'm irritated."
 
Hey - I'll insert my comments where I decide to. The article was read entirely - my comments were about your comments which were rubbish concerning the financials - that shows your lack of experience / knowledge on investing / ROI / $130,000,000,000 wasted on buybacks.
I see I forgot to include -

3. Please do not include personal attacks or insults
4. Please do not assume you know another person on the forum, their intelligence or any other attribute about them

There is an old adage that I am reminded of that states - any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain; and most fools do.

(please note that I am not directly stating anything about you, I am simply reminded of this adage; not sure why)
 
They're NOT rubber! They're Fluoroelastomer! ;):D

Well you've got a great point but I've got a lot of chemical sensitivities due to autoimmune disease, so I've been wary of cheap products from China. Sometimes they're great and sometimes they give a nasty rash.

When I read about and saw the pictures of the horrible rashes some Fitbit wearers were getting from their bands I decided to err on the side of caution and go with Apple's version since they seemed to make a pretty thorough study of allergic reactions like mine when coming up with their materials specifications. They also have a reputation to protect. The vendor in China may or may not care. That's a gamble I don't like to take very often.

When I get a bad reaction from a product, sometimes I recover quickly and sometimes I suffer and need topical steroids. It's not something I take lightly.

Let me say something in defense of your wife. I grew up with very modest means. I really didn't have any money to spare on luxuries until my mid 30's. I'm 50 now. I've lived a very frugal life most of my life. I bought the off brands. I wore hand me downs from people outside of my family since I was an only child. I was the kid in the cheap dime store shoes that I wore until they fell off of my feet...same as all the other kids in my neighborhood and in my schools.

I felt as you did. I met my husband and he came from a family that believed you get what you pay for and bought name brands. Hubby and I clashed quite a bit with me taking your position and accusing my husband of wasting money. Over the twenty years of our marriage and thirty years of our acquaintance it is I who have come to see his point of view. I've seen myself go through several cheap shoes that fall apart or are uncomfortable while he enjoys one comfortable pair of shoes for several years.

Even my parents became converts and learned to invest in a few quality name brand items instead of many cheap off brand items.

Actually it would not surprise me that so much exposure to cheap off brands over so many decades (the chemical smell of some of my tennis shoes was pretty intense) is the reason my sensitivities are as bad as they are.
I agree there are times when it makes good sense to go with a name brand product.

My point and what should worry apple loyalist is a growing trend to be concerned with soft goods over hardware. Look a Nike as a recent example. Sure it's not a perfect example but real similar. Nike is stopping making hardware in golf because soft goods is so much more profitable. Plus with soft goods you get fewer customer complaints and less follow up support. Think about it watch bands keep coming out and less computers being made. No one has to security patch a watch band. If you break a watch band you just replace. If your mac breaks you go ask for warranty fix.

Personally I see apple moving to a state of laziness, happy to sell watch bands, headphones and waiting on iTunes music and app sales. Kind of the we made it now lets enjoy the spoils of victory philosophy. Think Motorola with the Razr.

Let me say I hope this is not the case. Maybe I'm wrong and apple is planning on using all of these profits to R&D
 
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I agree there are times when it makes good sense to go with a name brand product.

My point and what should worry apple loyalist is a growing trend to be concerned with soft goods over hardware. Look a Nike as a recent example. Sure it's not a perfect example but real similar. Nike is stopping making hardware in golf because soft goods is so much more profitable. Plus with soft goods you get fewer customer complaints and less follow up support. Think about it watch bands keep coming out and less computers being made. No one has to security patch a watch band. If you break a watch band you just replace. If your mac breaks you go ask for warranty fix.

Personally I see apple moving to a state of laziness, happy to sell watch bands, headphones and waiting on iTunes music and app sales. Kind of the we made it now lets enjoy the spoils of victory philosophy. Think Motorola with the Razr.

Let me say I hope this is not the case. Maybe I'm wrong and apple is planning on using all of these profits to R&D
No arguments from me there. You're preaching to the choir. I'm even more old school about the hardware and think they stripped down too many of their laptops to extreme anorexia levels.
 
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They're NOT rubber! They're Fluoroelastomer! ;):D

Well you've got a great point but I've got a lot of chemical sensitivities due to autoimmune disease, so I've been wary of cheap products from China. Sometimes they're great and sometimes they give a nasty rash.

When I read about and saw the pictures of the horrible rashes some Fitbit wearers were getting from their bands I decided to err on the side of caution and go with Apple's version since they seemed to make a pretty thorough study of allergic reactions like mine when coming up with their materials specifications. They also have a reputation to protect. The vendor in China may or may not care. That's a gamble I don't like to take very often.

When I get a bad reaction from a product, sometimes I recover quickly and sometimes I suffer and need topical steroids. It's not something I take lightly.

Let me say something in defense of your wife. I grew up with very modest means. I really didn't have any money to spare on luxuries until my mid 30's. I'm 50 now. I've lived a very frugal life most of my life. I bought the off brands. I wore hand me downs from people outside of my family since I was an only child. I was the kid in the cheap dime store shoes that I wore until they fell off of my feet...same as all the other kids in my neighborhood and in my schools.

I felt as you did. I met my husband and he came from a family that believed you get what you pay for and bought name brands. Hubby and I clashed quite a bit with me taking your position and accusing my husband of wasting money. Over the twenty years of our marriage and thirty years of our acquaintance it is I who have come to see his point of view. I've seen myself go through several cheap shoes that fall apart or are uncomfortable while he enjoys one comfortable pair of shoes for several years.

Even my parents became converts and learned to invest in a few quality name brand items instead of many cheap off brand items.

Actually it would not surprise me that so much exposure to cheap off brands over so many decades (the chemical smell of some of my tennis shoes was pretty intense) is the reason my sensitivities are as bad as they are.
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Nah. He can say what he wants. I appreciate his ability to muster up so much enthusiasm when the crickets are chirping in the audience. I wish I had that kind of energy.

It's not the bashing or mentioning of watch bands that's a pet peeve of mine. It's the irony that the joke is that watch bands are what Apple seems to specialize in these days, when in my experience I have to say if that's their focus...it is not working out all that well. Pet peeve probably is not the expression I was looking for. It's probably more along the lines of "the irony of it all slaps me upside the head really hard until I'm irritated."
lol slaps me upside the head really hard until i'm irritated.
 
Cue the Cook hate in 3...2..1

And then after that, you can cue the Cook apologists who can't face blatant, objective fact
that Apple's where it's at now because it's running on Steve's iMac/iPod/iPhone/iPad fumes
and that Apple remains where it's at now in spite of Cook, not because of Cook.

Critics of Cook don't hate him.
That's what you're alluding to but it's just plain wrong.
WE want things done the proper way, the Apple way.
Not this half-assed lack of vision and focus that destroys Steve Jobs's legacy.

This, dammit. T-H-I-S.
I don't know Tim Cook from a can of paint, so I can't hate him, personally.
What I do despise is his being CEO.
What is it that you people just don't seem to be able to understand, for God's sake?
Best-In-The-Business supply-chain chief/horrible CEO. Got it now?

And having your phone locked instead a VR case is a rather stupid idea in terms of usability.
If you are interested in VR, you are looking at the Oculus Rift or the HTC Vive, and not the Gear VR.

Bless you, Sir ....

Apple could build an easy to use 3D-copier.

Yep: iFab.
 
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Cue the Cook hate in 3...2..1

Cue the stupid responses.

It's hilarious to watch the iFanBoys prat about this forum pretending they are 'original' Apple fans. No, 90% of this forum became Apple fans in 2007.

Fact is, Steve was wrong about Tim, as much as I hate to admit that. We are slowly but surely watching a tower crumble that Steve fought so hard to erect; & is it all Tim's fault? No, but he isn't doing a damned thing to stop it.
 
Fact is, Steve was wrong about Tim, as much as I hate to admit that.
We are slowly but surely watching a tower crumble that Steve fought so hard to erect; & is it all Tim's fault?
No, but he isn't doing a damned thing to stop it.

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes!
I loved Steve, so it absolutely pains me to say this, but the truth is the truth:
Steve's last big move was also the biggest blunder of his Apple career: tapping Cook as successor.

Perhaps it may be also painful to say that in his waning days,
Steve was not in 100% possession of his mental acuity while making this choice.
But the Apple board, fully aware of where they are & who bought them there,
understandably gave Steve the benefit of the doubt anyway and honored his wishes.
 
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In fact, IMO, they should really purge the entire Board, and bring-in 5-7 Outsiders to shake things up.

Apple needs to re-focus & re-prioritize.

And Apple Upper Mgmt needs to fear the (new) Board; I seriously doubt that is the case now.
Unfortunately, in corporate America, when a company gets at a very profitable level, the board and top exec team starts to become very cliquish with hidden standards concerning who is at upper management positions.

You can be the best producer and have raving performance reviews, if you do not make that hidden standard, you hit a glass ceiling. I have known people or groups of people hire private investigators to look into the private lives of upper executives to discover the hidden standard of their company.

For a lot of foreign companies, if you are not of their ethnicity or national origin, you will not get any further than middle manager. Many times it is political leaning or a "big school name." To this day, there are law firms that only recruit from Ivy League. For some, it is a specific religious faith or lack of religion (which is illegal.) Sometimes it is as dumb as a common sport recreation -- that quick question, "Do you ski?" or "Do you sail?" may mean a lot more than a casual conversation.

One start-up I knew in Los Gatos, the hidden standard was the entire executive team were heavy gamblers with weekly big money poker nights and monthly trips to Las Vegas "business retreats." Thus, if you didn't drink, gamble and whore like they did, you didn't make VP. Another one was a membership in a local Country Club. Seen this time and time again in the Valley.
 
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It's actually pretty easy. Just take the songs in your iTunes folder, and drag them over to the "Music" folder on your Android. Since pretty much all music on iTunes is DRM-free now, that should not be an issue and assuming that all of your metadata is correct, that should transfer over as well.

Alternatively, you can upload all of your music to Google Play Music--it should transfer all of your playlists and such from iTunes, as well.

And SMS shouldn't be a problem, as long as iMessage is disabled on your old iPhone! ;)

You will need to unregister your phone number for iMessage on Apple's site or your texts will go into a black hole by only turning it off.
 
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They're NOT rubber! They're Fluoroelastomer! ;):D

Well you've got a great point but I've got a lot of chemical sensitivities due to autoimmune disease, so I've been wary of cheap products from China. Sometimes they're great and sometimes they give a nasty rash.

When I read about and saw the pictures of the horrible rashes some Fitbit wearers were getting from their bands I decided to err on the side of caution and go with Apple's version since they seemed to make a pretty thorough study of allergic reactions like mine when coming up with their materials specifications. They also have a reputation to protect. The vendor in China may or may not care. That's a gamble I don't like to take very often.
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So does this still justify the insane price of $49 for a "high" quality watch band that is not made from rubber?
 
I'm going to agree with your statement.

I'm too deep in the ecosystem to leave.

Mac, apple watch, iPhones, iPad

If just one item was removed, it'd cause issues for me across my devices.

The Samsung Note does intrigue me, but I'm jailed in the walled garden

I'm in a similar boat. There are some terrific apps for macos that I would find too difficult to leave behind, and cant find equivalents on linux otherwise I'd make a switch soon. As it is I'm waiting it out, hoping mac hardware becomes reasonable some time in the near future. I mean reasonable both in price and specs.
 
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That's up to each individual to decide for himself/herself.

Im just saying cause aside individual opinions, going from $4 to $49 for a watch band that is supposed to be made from a better material than rubber is illogical and insane. It is just pure marketing strategy that has nothing to do with the materials that are being used.

And yes I know that Apple charges premium prices for all its products. But I will never in my life understand how a person who earns an average salary chooses to spend his hard earned money on a fashionable watch band.
 
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Tim keeps talking to the press about nothing.

release a new mac mini with 8 & 16 cores with easily upgradable ram and HD

release a new mac book pro

release a new mac pro with space INSIDE for HDs and expansion cards

release a new iMac with with easily upgradable 3.5" 7200 rpm drives

release a new apple monitor

only THEN you seat down and talk to the press
 
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Im just saying cause aside individual opinions, going from $4 to $49 for a watch band that is supposed to be made from a better material than rubber is illogical and insane. It is just pure marketing strategy that has nothing to do with the materials that are being used.

And yes I know that Apple charges premium prices for all its products. But I will never in my life understand how an person who earns an average salary chooses to spend his hard earned money on a fashionable watch band.
In our economy, products are priced at what the market will bear, or they don't sell and either prices get adjusted or the product simply gets discontinued. That's all I'm saying. And each person justifies the price they are willing to pay for anything to themselves.

What's insane to one consumer is reasonable to another depending on each person's individual circumstance and yes, marketing does play a role in influencing customer perceptions of value to an extent that is very irritating to some people. No argument from me there.

As for what Apple priced these bands at and why, that's been discussed to death when the watch was first released. Basically the points in their favor beyond anything that can be called greed or arrogance is that they did have some R&D (formulating a band that won't leach toxic plasticizers into your skin or cause inflammation or fall apart on your wrist or do any number of the things that earn one star ratings from customers on Amazon) and costs of doing business (employee benefits, salaries in "first world"economies, patent and trademark costs, legal fees, etc) to recoup that knockoff manufacturers don't. That's always true of any product and I won't take my train of thought any further into PRSI territory about the destruction of businesses by the knockoff industry.

What I wonder is if price is so important and buying anything at prices more than a few dollars above what it takes to manufacturer any item with the cheapest materials possible in a low cost plant in Asia is insane, why doesn't everyone shop exclusively at Walmart?
 
In our economy, products are priced at what the market will bear, or they don't sell and either prices get adjusted or the product simply gets discontinued. That's all I'm saying. And each person justifies the price they are willing to pay for anything to themselves.

What's insane to one consumer is reasonable to another depending on each person's individual circumstance and yes, marketing does play a role in influencing customer perceptions of value to an extent that is very irritating to some people. No argument from me there.

As for what Apple priced these bands at and why, that's been discussed to death when the watch was first released. Basically the points in their favor beyond anything that can be called greed or arrogance is that they did have some R&D (formulating a band that won't leach toxic plasticizers into your skin or cause inflammation or fall apart on your wrist or do any number of the things that earn one star ratings from customers on Amazon) and costs of doing business (employee benefits, salaries in "first world"economies, patent and trademark costs, legal fees, etc) to recoup that knockoff manufacturers don't. That's always true of any product and I won't take my train of thought any further into PRSI territory about the destruction of businesses by the knockoff industry.

What I wonder is if price is so important and buying anything at prices more than a few dollars above what it takes to manufacturer any item with the cheapest materials possible in a low cost plant in Asia is insane, why doesn't everyone shop exclusively at Walmart?

Problem with Apple is it`s sheer greed; as much as possible is outsourced, vendors are literally crushed by Apple`s scale of economy, as much as possible tax is avoided, albeit legally (barely), deliberately engineered product lines that result in buy up`s, and or forced in house upgrades, purposely designed to scalp the customer. In short; as much as possible, charge the customer as much as possible. That worked when Apple product was top tier, now it`s way off the mark.

It`s not so much the cost, rather the intrinsic value that is now lacking, certainly cost is not. This is why many I perceive are walking away from Apple, as with all, their should be a balance. As another member posted Apple has been rudderless for some time. As a business owner I no longer trust Apple to do the right thing, as they will twist & turn to empower themselves not the customer, this no one needs.

I tire of Apple and it`s execs hubris and false promises, most of all I tire of Apple`s pathetic attempts to manipulate, with a lacklustre line up. I have no issue with Apple diversifying into new product lines, however I do strongly and very obviously have issue with Apple virtually abandoning products it simply see`s as not being worthy, as stated there is no balance or direction with Apple these days...

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I didn't think of that but this is what I was worried about regarding iMessage and standard SMS not being compatible.

This is something that gets into my nerves all the time. Whenever the Internet on my phone is off I cannot send or receive iMessages. What I don't understand is why can't the message be sent or be received as a simple sms every time the Internet is offline. Why are we forced to choose iMessage or SMS while we could have both automatically?
 
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Problem with Apple is it`s sheer greed; as much as possible is outsourced, vendors are literally crushed by Apple`s scale of economy, as much as possible tax is avoided, albeit legally (barely), deliberately engineered product lines that result in buy up`s, and or forced in house upgrades, purposely designed to scalp the customer. In short; as much as possible, charge the customer as much as possible. That worked when Apple product was top tier, now it`s way off the mark.

It`s not so much the cost, rather the intrinsic value that is now lacking, certainly cost is not. This is why many I perceive are walking away from Apple, as with all, their should be a balance. As another member posted Apple has been rudderless for some time. As a business owner I no longer trust Apple to do the right thing, as they will twist & turn to empower themselves not the customer, this no one needs.

I tire of Apple and it`s execs hubris and false promises, most of all I tire of Apple`s pathetic attempts to manipulate, with a lacklustre line up. I have no issue with Apple diversifying into new product lines, however I do strongly and very obviously have issue with Apple virtually abandoning products it simply see`s as not being worthy, as stated there is no balance or direction with Apple these days...

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I can't argue with you. I just bought a Note 7 myself and am transitioning to cross platform apps so that I'm no longer bound within any one ecosystem. I'm not giving up entirely on Apple. I will wait and see what they do and meanwhile evaluate what their competitors have to offer me.
 
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I can't argue with you. I just bought a Note 7 myself and am transitioning to cross platform apps so that I'm no longer bound within any one ecosystem. I'm not giving up entirely on Apple. I will wait and see what they do and meanwhile evaluate what their competitors have to offer me.

Same, we have moved our business model off reliance on Apple due to the lack of long term commitment. Apple is welcome to continue to build it`s walled garden, equally Apple may well find the circumference of the same wall will diminish the more Apple strives to control and restrict it`s users.

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When I read about and saw the pictures of the horrible rashes some Fitbit wearers were getting from their bands I decided to err on the side of caution and go with Apple's version since they seemed to make a pretty thorough study of allergic reactions like mine when coming up with their materials specifications. They also have a reputation to protect. The vendor in China may or may not care. That's a gamble I don't like to take very often.

Apple Watch has had its share of rash issues too.

http://www.yourdoctorsorders.com/2016/01/apple-watch-they-need-to-fix-the-rash
 
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