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“The Washington Post, The Associated Press, Reuters, and The Wall Street Journal – publications that are traditionallly considered either center outlets or nonpartisan.”
Nonpartisan?? Looks like MR is also pushing left wing propaganda. These are far-left activist organizations, b
First time I've heard The Wall Street Journal called a "far-left activist organization".
 
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When you're on the far right everything seems to your left. Most of what you chose to highlight here is center to center left. Heck, AP and Reuters are the most middle of the road, fact-based reporting around.

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We moderates haven't changed a bit. It's the liberals/left that have gone far left so leftist positions look middle of the road to them, but they're in the minority. Read on and you'll see what I mean...

You can't believe everything you read or in this case, infographic. Rachel Maddow is about as far left as you can get. CBS' 60 minutes edited Kamala's incoherent response into something half intelligent to make her look better before the elections. During the presidential debate, ABC "moderators" fact-checked Trump 5 times (and got some of them wrong) while allowing Kamala to spew lies without a single fact check. I'd say that constitutes left-leaning, wouldn't you?

As for AP, they have become a far left organization. All you need to do is look at their style guide...

- “Avoid abortionist, which connotes a person who performs clandestine abortion.” Merriam-Webster defines an “abortionist” as “one who performs abortions.”

- AP warns its reporters to “be aware of nuances and pitfalls in the use of “female” and “woman/women” as to not confuse sex and gender, yet 99% of the world knows there's only two sexes: male and female. Only extreme leftists believe that a man can be a woman and vice versa.

- Merriam-Webster defines “climate” as “the average course or condition of the weather at a place” – but according to AP, “The climate story goes beyond extreme weather and science.” “It also is about politics, human rights, inequality, international law, biodiversity, society and culture, and many other issues.” This is Greta Thunberg level leftism. Oh wait, she's moved on from climate change and is now all about freeing Palestinians.

- Also from their style guide: "AP’s style is now to capitalize Black in a racial, ethnic or cultural sense, conveying an essential and shared sense of history, identity and community among people who identify as Black, including those in the African diaspora and within Africa." "After a review and period of consultation, we found, at this time, less support for capitalizing white." This is extreme cringe leftist virtue signaling. No normie or conservative would ever even think to come up with something this nonsensical.
 
My opinion: Apple should leave the content business, period. Allow app makers to fill that gap, there are well enough of them.

Focus on building devices and software platforms for developers to build apps for. Focus on improved Pro apps and developer relations and customer experiences.

Make more things cross-platform such as tap-to-share, sending cash and iMessage.

Get rid of half the products you make and make doubly-good the remaining half. Adding an additional display size in many cases. And fix display sizing in general, the laptop display sizes are illogical and confusing, as is iMac.

Simplify product naming across the board. No numbers or childish sub-naming (mini, plus, iPhone 19 Pro Max Extreme Bananas). Just call it iPhone and give it three sizes and make a big fat one called iPhone Ultra in three sizes. No other phones. Apple Display, Apple Display Pro. Simplify.

Address common product complaints. Both hardware and software, including long-time bugs and basic missing and expected features.

Fix the AAA gaming problem.

Create a drag-and-drop design app that also features voice input for shape and gradient generation and manipulation. It’s insane that in 2026 an Apple app developer needs a third party app to make an app icon and branding logo.

After exiting the content businesses, it leaves so much work to do if the focus comes back to being great at the few things you do. It leaves more than enough work.

Tick-tock from software focused year to a hardware focused year, focusing on hardware practicality and functionality and software reliability and delight.

Stop trying to be everything and make everything. Refocus on devices. Double iCloud storage tiers.

Apple should have never entered the content business in the first place. And I agree with software and hardware focus part. I said this in 2014 when Apple pivoted to services revenue. 12 years later it is just as true as it was then.
 
How can Apple be accused of being left when Tim attends Trump's parties? 🤔
Seriously?

I think that people who lead on extreme positions have some great techniques. One of which is to accuse the other side of those things that you have every intention of doing.

Accuse those of being liberal/left/woke/caring/compassionate when you are just about to go in hard in the opposite direction.

@Karma*Police has it with their Breitbart stories. Everyday they read stories of how the enemy left wing press lie to the people. Which in itself is a lie of omission as it rarely mentions how the likes of itself or Fox News lies to the people.

That’s why they accuse the works most successful capitalists of being left wing.
 
Apple should have never entered the content business in the first place. And I agree with software and hardware focus part. I said this in 2014 when Apple pivoted to services revenue. 12 years later it is just as true as it was then.
Apple services generate $110Bn out of $400Bn annual revenue with around 75% being profit.

Have you thought of applying to be their next CEO? They could do with someone that has your insights. 😉
 
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We moderates haven't changed a bit. It's the liberals/left that have gone far left so leftist positions look middle of the road to them, but they're in the minority. Read on and you'll see what I mean...

You can't believe everything you read or in this case, infographic. Rachel Maddow is about as far left as you can get. CBS' 60 minutes edited Kamala's incoherent response into something half intelligent to make her look better before the elections. During the presidential debate, ABC "moderators" fact-checked Trump 5 times (and got some of them wrong) while allowing Kamala to spew lies without a single fact check. I'd say that constitutes left-leaning, wouldn't you?

As for AP, they have become a far left organization. All you need to do is look at their style guide...

- “Avoid abortionist, which connotes a person who performs clandestine abortion.” Merriam-Webster defines an “abortionist” as “one who performs abortions.”

- AP warns its reporters to “be aware of nuances and pitfalls in the use of “female” and “woman/women” as to not confuse sex and gender, yet 99% of the world knows there's only two sexes: male and female. Only extreme leftists believe that a man can be a woman and vice versa.

- Merriam-Webster defines “climate” as “the average course or condition of the weather at a place” – but according to AP, “The climate story goes beyond extreme weather and science.” “It also is about politics, human rights, inequality, international law, biodiversity, society and culture, and many other issues.” This is Greta Thunberg level leftism. Oh wait, she's moved on from climate change and is now all about freeing Palestinians.

- Also from their style guide: "AP’s style is now to capitalize Black in a racial, ethnic or cultural sense, conveying an essential and shared sense of history, identity and community among people who identify as Black, including those in the African diaspora and within Africa." "After a review and period of consultation, we found, at this time, less support for capitalizing white." This is extreme cringe leftist virtue signaling. No normie or conservative would ever even think to come up with something this nonsensical.
Like I said, when you are on the far right, everything seems to your left. And the center seems far away.
 
Conversely, when you have people who are on the far left, everything but themselves seems like "Far Right", which is how the far leftists talk about anyone else but themselves. Very dehumanizing.
Bothsidesism isn't logic. It's lazy black and white thinking. Just because the right has moved to the far right, doesn't mean the left is on the far left.

There are very few "far leftists" in the US. Politically, Democrats are centrists with their progressive wing on the left (not far left.)

Here's a handy description of the political spectrum.
 
Bothsidesism isn't logic. It's lazy black and white thinking. Just because the right has moved to the far right, doesn't mean the left is on the far left.

There are very few "far leftists" in the US. Politically, Democrats are centrists with their progressive wing on the left (not far left.)

Here's a handy description of the political spectrum.
It is lazy black and white thinking when I say that both sides are corrupt and not to be trusted? When you have rioters who are taking to the streets who commit acts of violence against law enforcement, that is definitely "moving to the far left".
 
Also, I think MR is burying the lede with this story; it's not the "FTC" per se, but Trump's and Putin's goons inside of it, which are making these threats. It's a protectionist racket, and it's un-American. America is a constitutional republic, where the people are sovereign and the reigns of power are placed in a temporary trust with every elected representative, up to and including the president. If our representatives usurp that power for their own ends, they have violated their sacred oath and the social contract, and (as far as I'm concerned, since they're essentially deposing the sovereign that is the people) are guilty of high treason.
 
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Also, I think MR is burying the lede with this story; it's not the "FTC" per se, but Trump's and Putin's goons inside of it, which are making these threats. It's a protectionist racket, and it's un-American. America is a constitutional republic, where the people are sovereign and the reigns of power are placed in a temporary trust with every elected representative, up to and including the president. If our representatives usurp that power for their own ends, they have violated their sacred oath and the social contract, and (as far as I'm concerned, since they're essentially deposing the sovereign that is the people) are guilty of high treason.
Our government has been against liberty and the people for decades. It has been that way for many many years, long before most of us have been alive for.
 
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It is lazy black and white thinking when I say that both sides are corrupt and not to be trusted? When you have rioters who are taking to the streets who commit acts of violence against law enforcement, that is definitely "moving to the far left".
No. That’s just changing the topic to avoid admitting that you were wrong.
 
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Our government has been against liberty and the people for decades. It has been that way for many many years, long before most of us have been alive for.
To some degree, yes, but that's mostly been the business interests pulling the strings. It's only with Trump that the masks are off and they're going full fascist.

While the whole system is rotten, I'm not going to fall in to the "both sides" trap. That's actually what's gotten us into this mess in the first place, since so many people erroneously believe that all politicians are equally bad, and all government is inherently evil. That is simply not true. An elected government truly beholden to the people (not the corporations) can be a great good. The so-called "government" we currently suffer under is a perversion of that, and an attempt (quite successful) to poison the well even further.

So while I appreciate and understand your trite response, there's a lot more to unpack. As with most things in life, the truth is complex; but most people wish for simple answers, and they'll grasp onto the simplest answers they can find that make them feel good, even to their own detriment.
 
No. That’s just changing the topic to avoid admitting that you were wrong.
Well, you do you.

In my opinion, both the Republicans and Democrats are extreme left-wing. The scale I use in my mind is that the more power the government has, the more left-wing it is. There haven't been anything close to a "far right" Government in a long time, far-right being more on the "liberty" spectrum, where the Government has less power over the people. To me, Far Right is actually libertarian, not authoritarian. I doubt you will understand, or agree with that assessment though.

I don't personally subscribe to this notion that the Republicans are Far right and Democrats are "Centrist". To me, that doesn't match the reality of the situation.


To some degree, yes, but that's mostly been the business interests pulling the strings. It's only with Trump that the masks are off and they're going full fascist.

While the whole system is rotten, I'm not going to fall in to the "both sides" trap. That's actually what's gotten us into this mess in the first place, since so many people erroneously believe that all politicians are equally bad, and all government is inherently evil. That is simply not true. An elected government truly beholden to the people (not the corporations) can be a great good. The so-called "government" we currently suffer under is a perversion of that, and an attempt (quite successful) to poison the well even further.

So while I appreciate and understand your trite response, there's a lot more to unpack. As with most things in life, the truth is complex; but most people wish for simple answers, and they'll grasp onto the simplest answers they can find that make them feel good, even to their own detriment.
I do personally believe in the "Both Sides" argument, as what have Republicans, or Democrats done for you? Chances are - nothing good. None of them have any good executions of their ideas. I don't like a lot of what Trump has done recently, however I see a lot of this "orange man bad" argument where people hate him so much that they will do or say anything to distance themselves from him, instead of looking at things more objectively. This is a long game. It will take years. I don't think getting freaked out over every single little thing Trump does is worth it. I deeply disagree with the usage of the "Fascist" term for Trump, I do agree that Trump is deeply egotistical, and narcissistic - but whenever I see the term "Fascist" used against Trump I can't help but think of the screaming rioters on the streets who are screaming that while destroying, burning and looting property.

In my view, the uniparty system has existed for decades, and what we are seeing now is a consequence to the creation of this system decades ago - Trump and what we are seeing now is a consequence, not the "cause" of it. People who see "orange man bad" aren't understanding this. They are like a bull when it sees red. People need to calm down a bit and look at things rationally, before just jumping on the bandwagon of hate. No good decisions are made in haste, and no good results come of hateful actions.
 
Well, you do you.

In my opinion, both the Republicans and Democrats are extreme left-wing. The scale I use in my mind is that the more power the government has, the more left-wing it is. There haven't been anything close to a "far right" Government in a long time, far-right being more on the "liberty" spectrum, where the Government has less power over the people. To me, Far Right is actually libertarian, not authoritarian. I doubt you will understand, or agree with that assessment though.

I don't personally subscribe to this notion that the Republicans are Far right and Democrats are "Centrist". To me, that doesn't match the reality of the situation.
Sure, but if you're simply making up your own definition of various terms in your mind, then you're not having an honest discussion.

I do personally believe in the "Both Sides" argument, as what have Republicans, or Democrats done for you? Chances are - nothing good.
Like I said, you're all in on black and white thinking.
 
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Sure, but if you're simply making up your own definition of various terms in your mind, then you're not having an honest discussion.


Like I said, you're all in on black and white thinking.
I'm not making up anything. You should do a little more research.

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There is a lot of Sarcasm in this video but the overall point can be understood. I suggest reading the comments as well if you get confused.

 
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Well, you do you.

In my opinion, both the Republicans and Democrats are extreme left-wing. The scale I use in my mind is that the more power the government has, the more left-wing it is. There haven't been anything close to a "far right" Government in a long time, far-right being more on the "liberty" spectrum, where the Government has less power over the people. To me, Far Right is actually libertarian, not authoritarian. I doubt you will understand, or agree with that assessment though.

I don't personally subscribe to this notion that the Republicans are Far right and Democrats are "Centrist". To me, that doesn't match the reality of the situation.



I do personally believe in the "Both Sides" argument, as what have Republicans, or Democrats done for you? Chances are - nothing good. None of them have any good executions of their ideas. I don't like a lot of what Trump has done recently, however I see a lot of this "orange man bad" argument where people hate him so much that they will do or say anything to distance themselves from him, instead of looking at things more objectively. This is a long game. It will take years. I don't think getting freaked out over every single little thing Trump does is worth it. I deeply disagree with the usage of the "Fascist" term for Trump, I do agree that Trump is deeply egotistical, and narcissistic - but whenever I see the term "Fascist" used against Trump I can't help but think of the screaming rioters on the streets who are screaming that while destroying, burning and looting property.

In my view, the uniparty system has existed for decades, and what we are seeing now is a consequence to the creation of this system decades ago - Trump and what we are seeing now is a consequence, not the "cause" of it. People who see "orange man bad" aren't understanding this. They are like a bull when it sees red. People need to calm down a bit and look at things rationally, before just jumping on the bandwagon of hate. No good decisions are made in haste, and no good results come of hateful actions.

Ok, so you are using a nonstandard definition of “right wing” and “left wing”. Yes, the use of those terms has changed a lot throughout history, but 99.99% of Americans today are not using the terms the way you are using them. I am not sure the majority of Americans ever used those terms the way you are using them.
 
Well, you are missing the point entirely - so I am not going to divulge further. You've made it clear you disagree with what I am saying, so we'll just leave it at that. Agree to disagree.
It's not a question of disagreeing or missing the point. It's about honest discussion.

It's dishonest to repeatedly argue that Bob is a terrorist and then eventually say by "terrorist" you mean someone who likes horror movies. Just like it's misleading to argue that Democrats are far left and then eventually say you were using a nonstandard scale that doesn’t even include a “far left.”
 
As for AP, they have become a far left organization. All you need to do is look at their style guide...

- Merriam-Webster defines “climate” as “the average course or condition of the weather at a place” – but according to AP, “The climate story goes beyond extreme weather and science.” “It also is about politics, human rights, inequality, international law, biodiversity, society and culture, and many other issues.” This is Greta Thunberg level leftism. Oh wait, she's moved on from climate change and is now all about freeing Palestinians.
Hmm, you left me wondering if Merriam-Webster somehow left out all the other meanings of "climate", but, no, the Merriam-Webster website clearly disagrees with you as to how Merriam-Webster defines "climate":

climate noun

cli·mate

1: a region of the earth having specified climatic conditions
His physician advised moving to a warmer climate.



2 a: the average course or condition of the weather at a place usually over a period of years as exhibited by temperature, wind velocity, and precipitation
a healthful climate

a warm, humid climate


b: the prevailing set of conditions (as of temperature and humidity) indoors
a climate-controlled office


3: the prevailing influence or environmental conditions characterizing a group or period : atmosphere
a climate of fear

a climate of suspicion

the cultural climate of the 1960s


 
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Bothsidesism isn't logic. It's lazy black and white thinking. Just because the right has moved to the far right, doesn't mean the left is on the far left.

There are very few "far leftists" in the US. Politically, Democrats are centrists with their progressive wing on the left (not far left.)

Here's a handy description of the political spectrum.

Well, you do you.

In my opinion, both the Republicans and Democrats are extreme left-wing. The scale I use in my mind is that the more power the government has, the more left-wing it is. There haven't been anything close to a "far right" Government in a long time, far-right being more on the "liberty" spectrum, where the Government has less power over the people. To me, Far Right is actually libertarian, not authoritarian. I doubt you will understand, or agree with that assessment though.

I don't personally subscribe to this notion that the Republicans are Far right and Democrats are "Centrist". To me, that doesn't match the reality of the situation.



I do personally believe in the "Both Sides" argument, as what have Republicans, or Democrats done for you? Chances are - nothing good. None of them have any good executions of their ideas. I don't like a lot of what Trump has done recently, however I see a lot of this "orange man bad" argument where people hate him so much that they will do or say anything to distance themselves from him, instead of looking at things more objectively. This is a long game. It will take years. I don't think getting freaked out over every single little thing Trump does is worth it. I deeply disagree with the usage of the "Fascist" term for Trump, I do agree that Trump is deeply egotistical, and narcissistic - but whenever I see the term "Fascist" used against Trump I can't help but think of the screaming rioters on the streets who are screaming that while destroying, burning and looting property.

In my view, the uniparty system has existed for decades, and what we are seeing now is a consequence to the creation of this system decades ago - Trump and what we are seeing now is a consequence, not the "cause" of it. People who see "orange man bad" aren't understanding this. They are like a bull when it sees red. People need to calm down a bit and look at things rationally, before just jumping on the bandwagon of hate. No good decisions are made in haste, and no good results come of hateful actions.
While I’m not a fan of politicians ( especially life-long ones), you can judge what the Republicans and Democrats have done by the outcomes. Generally speaking, red states like TX and FL have fared much better under conservative leadership while blue states like NY and CA are crumbling due to their progressive policies.

California, BTW, used to be red. It was Reagan country! Since they went full blue, homelessness, crime, taxes, and regulation are at record highs, driving out businesses and they saw the first population decrease ever, under Newsom. That’s not a cooncidence. That’s the product of really and, progressive policies. Democrats are no longer the same party it used to be.
Like I said, when you are on the far right, everything seems to your left. And the center seems far away.
This is why it’s so frustrating talking to leftists. Rather than attack the ideas or evidence with facts, logic, and/or evidence of your own, the discussion ultimately devolves into name calling or dismissing something or someone as far-right, racist, fascist, homophobe, transphobe, islamaphobe, [inseet word]phobe.

That alone should tell you you’re wrong.
 
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